You see it in reviews all the time, but I wonder if  it isn't a double edged sword.
Clearly the reviewer is seeing it as a positive, and it is.  But does it cause the ladies difficulties?  If several reviews say it, does it create unreasonable expectations for future clients?

Recently  I saw a review (sorry, don't remember who) that downgraded a positive experience because she "only" stayed the hour that he contracted!  He stated that many of her reviews talked about how she stayed over time, and he felt cheated because with him she left _on time_!

Just tossing it out there for comment.

The expectation of extra time can be very problematic.  Enough so that going overtime, say more than 10 minutes, requires and a near "vow of secrecy".  But it isn't just the review that causes this.  This expectation can be brought about by many things, more commonly: another provider has done this for him and now he feels all provider's should.

My assumption if a lady chooses to stick around past the scheduled end time Is that she is enjoying my company. I'm flattered but I'm certainly not going to mention something in the review that the lady is going to have to offer to other guys in order for them to feel like they got everything they were supposed to get.

The whole concept of the clock and clock watching is misunderstood by a lot of guys. An agency girl really has no choice as she has to check in and check out at the beginning and end of the date. She HAS to watch the clock as she has to make sure that the customer gets what he was expecting within the alloted period of time. I hear stories from my agency favs all th time about guys not wanting to leave when the time is up because they are trying for a second pop or looking for convo time. Guess what, book more time.

Some indies may let you go over in your time but don't assume that they are not aware of it. It is simply an option that they have.

Regardless of what happens in the room what you are ultimately paying for is the lady's time. If you agree to pay for an hour and she gives you an hour then you have gotten what you paid for. The easiest way to avoid putting a lady who did something nice for you into an uncomfortable position is to keep something like this out of your review.

Same thing goes for CBJ vs BBBJ, I've seen providers that have been reviewed as CBJ only, but after an extra long DATY seesion have felt like reciprocating(you get more flies with honey)with a BBBJ. there is absolutely nothing to be gained by sharing that info with your fellow hobbyists, not if you ever want a repeat performance at least.

Some things that are YMMV should not be included in a review, especially anything that would give false expectations to the reader.

Yeah ..., it shouldn't really be posted in the review...it was simply ymmv. She may have had more time that day, was deep in 'conversation' ...many things could be the reason...

the fact the gentlemen even said anything about her not staying over her time was abit wrong on his part..i think anyways.

When someone says that in a review, I don't expect to get overtime when I see her. Who knows what the circumstances were for her on that day. Maybe she just had some extra time to kill. Maybe the day I see her, she'll have a busy schedule.

I always mention it in my reviews. If it's a big part of my justification for a high score, than it seems misleading to the reader not to let him/her know that. I've never had a provider bitch at me, or turn me down later for mentioning it.

Unless you are trying to boost yourself up in the eyes of everyone, why even mention that you got something extra.

All it does is create a potential problem for the lady.

Likewise, gentlemen, just because someone wrote in a review that he got something extra, don't go expecting it.

Listen to the lady, understand her rules, don't violate her space, and if you get that something extra, count yourself lucky and keep your mouth shut.

Just my opinion...
B

BG, well stated. I have always assumed that if a lady stayed past the contracted time she did so because she approved of the carma (sp?) that developed between us; It is not something to be discussed in a review. Indeed the first time I enjoyed this wonderful experience I mentioned it to the lady who then asked that I dont put that into the review.

I agree with you on this subject.
I have been lucky at times, and extras are appreciated. I have said YMMV several times too, and a smart hobbyist knows what that means.  
I do not go in expecting more then my research tells me.
BTW, that's her choice if she spends a little extra time, or gives you extras.

and I would add, as a hobbyist, you should be cognizant of your time and leave when it is appropriate. Most of us would be insulted if we stayed a little longer and the provider asked for additional monies.

I work in a professional career in which I bill my time by quarter hour increments. You stick around the bill goes up.

If the providers did that once the hour had passed, I guarantee many of us would be much more aware of the time we have spent and be out the door when it was up.

OFF

BTW - If you didn't see them, I added several pics to the "Boobs' post below.

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=235405&boardID=12&page=1

-- Modified on 12/8/2007 12:01:18 PM

On a couple of occasions I have written about how YMMV is to some degree a cop out. However this is a perfect example of where it conveys exactly the appropriate information.

 Some providers indicate that they are flexible about extending a session. Comments like "not a clock watcher" for example.

 That a provider, who doesn't indicate that her time clock is "flexible", occasionally allows someone to stay over, is information that I find valuable. NOT because I'm looking for free time, but because it indicates that  the lady in question has a style that I am more likely to enjoy. In these cases I assume YMMV.

 So my vote would be to share that experience with an emphasis on YMMV.

-J

If I am enjoying someone's company I am more likely to go over the time a bit.  However, if I need to make a phone call, see my trainer, go to the bank, etc- I may want to spend more time but just can't.

It is very appreciated when someone doesn't include that into a review...it creates unrealistic expectations.

Bravo!  Thanks for thinking of us ladies

XO
Melanie

that YMMV is not a cop out, but instead a very real situation that occurs in the course of this business.

If we were honest with ourselves, we'd realize that providers aren't machines. We aren't programmed like an egg timer that goes off at the end of a session and are imperfect beings like yourselves.

That being said, YMMV is very plausible.

Sometimes, it's late, we're comfy, had fun, and stay a bit longer to chat and cuddle. Sometimes, we have appointments like the dmv, bank, school, job, gym, whatever to run to after the hour is up.

Sometimes we are amazingly beautiful goddesses and sometimes we have zits, water weight, our nails are overdue for a filling, or what have you.

Sometimes, you guys put us on cloud 9. Sometimes, someone will do or say something that makes us want to cry during a session and we hold it in.

Does it make us any less of a provider if our roots are showing or have a zit that we're trying desperately to hide? Does it make us any less of a provider if we fulfill the whole hour and then leave despite you hoping that the stars were aligned perfectly for a provider to forget whatever it was and give you a half hour or hour overtime for free? Certainly not.

I think at times expectations need to be adjusted because we are afterall, human. YMMV.

Katie

I am one whose reviews for several months revealed my predilection for allowing sessions to run their natural course-be it 15 minutes over to 2 hours over.

Personally, I always allot 1.5-2 hours for "hour" sessions so that I can allow myself breaks in between-downtime with a client helps me unwind, keeps him comfortable and usually ensures repeat clientele with those who are impressed by not being prompted to shower at the 50:50 mark.

As a result, for sometime I was taken advantage of by those who peruse the reviews and specifically seek those who will allow them "extra time" without an "extra gift".

Unfortunately, it was hard for me to learn to say "enough is enough"-and frankly, its still hard to put on the police hat and push guests out when it's time to.  Sometimes guests leave as gentlemen, sometimes they still prod and try to guilt trip me over it, citing my reviews & the comfortable environment as a reason for not wanting to leave in a passive-aggressive attempt to make me allow them to remain.

It's the reason that one of my favs does not allow reviews and has no presence here on TER. I visit a gal in South Jersey several times a year when I am working in the area. I book a two hour appointment but the average visit, including dinner or drinks, fun stuff and cuddle time runs anywhere from four hours to overnight. Activity? Well she's not reviewed so I can't compare my sessions to what she gives other guys but pretty much everything except BBFS is on the table and encouraged. She has also seen me at least twice when I was in town while she was in the midst of a temporary retirement.
Am I cocky enough to think that I am the only guy that gets this treatment? Well, of course my ego would love to believe that but I doubt it. The thing is it doesn't really matter. All I'm looking for when I drive down there is to spend a few hours with a great lady who makes me feel like a million bucks when we are together. YMMV is the reason she doesn't want reviews, it's also the reason that a few bad men will put her into a temporary retirement from time to time.
I would never post in a written review that I paid a lady for two hours and she stayed the night. Anybody that would is doing it strictly for bragging rights and not doing the lady any favors.

-- Modified on 12/8/2007 1:11:49 PM

Oops! Pushed the wrong button. I was going to say, I'm never fully satiated, especially when I'm with my ATF. Never really want to go. However, a major indication of one's maturity is how they deal with disappointment. Knowing that many people, inspite of chronological age, can behave immaturely, I would not include anything in a review that I thought I was given beyond that which was expected.

If I write a review, I let her read it first incase anything inappropriate needs to be edited.

But of course, YMMV!

Some guys just don't get it. You may as well let her write it for you.

That's definately one of those things that per experience...or milage may vary.  It shouldn't be put in a review for those reasons.  It should be between u and that person.  Why do people write that kinda stuff in reviews.  You don't have to put every detail.  A comment like...she doesn't watch the clock...is all that is needed to say.
Just my $.02 xoxo Hippie Jamie

-- Modified on 12/9/2007 1:33:23 AM

Which is still absurd since pressuring a provider to do something she may not be inclined to do will simply lead to a bad time.

It's not your fault that clients act stupidly based on your review, but it can lead to a hard time for the provider.  What would she accomplish by telling you about it after the fact?  If anything, you can tell from providers' responses on this board that they would really appreciate the discretion.

Yes, we do. We have more time on some days or we may just "click". I'm also more likely to get really freaky with boys who know what to keep quiet. Gentleman get rewarded.

-- Modified on 12/8/2007 6:36:23 PM

I've had several ladies with whom I have had the pleasure of enjoying dinner off the clock.  I didn't ask for this benefit; they simply said "can we grab some dinner before desert".  Will you find it mentioned in my review--HELL NO.  It is part of discretion.

Discretion is the key word here.  I never mention any overtime benefits I may receive in a session when I write the review.  If it happens, it happens.  I don't ask for it either.  YMMV has it's place but not for telling the rest of you guys that I got something you did not.  If she chooses to give you a little extra time, just enjoy it, but don't share it with the rest of us if you want it to happen again.

It's like asking a girl to lower her rate just for you, it just ain't cool to ask.  There are several providers I would love to see, but won't because their rates are more than I am willing to pay.  But I would NEVER ask them to lower their rate just for me.

Bottom line, if you get a little extra time or a lower-than-advertised rate, keep it to yourself, if you want it to be repeated.  Otherwise, you might find that she will be busy then next time you call.

Swim

sometimes when I have extra time, good boys do get rewarded.

That being said, anyone know how to hook up my damn dvd, cable n tv? Will be sweet as pie to you.... (Sorry, still trying to figure this set up out.)

Katie

I understand where you are coming from Bad_Dog but your assumptions are groundless. If you pause to think you might understand why this is not a bad thing for several reasons including the premise of this thread.

Agree!  It has been stated over and over that IF a client receives extra time that he is in some way special, better, cuter etc. and that is NOT the case always.  When statements like that are made it leaves other guys thinking that they did not measure up because they were not given the same advantage.

I am not a clock watcher and I will never stop in the middle of fun to kick someone out but I do have boundaries as far as time goes.  If EVERY provider offered 1.5 and 2 hour sessions for the price of an hour, those of us who DO have a very full life would never be able to to accomodate that.  Most of us state our rates and time requirements as we see fit to meet the needs of our busy lifestyle.  

I don't think using "extra time" as a marketing tactic is a good idea as I feel it only makes the rates a provider states seem invalid and negotiable.

I find at a first meeting going over is quite common when the Gentleman in question is a bit quiet or shy in a way. I never overbook so there is a bit of time if it tends to go over. This hobby is like getting a bakers dozen any way, 60mins. is quite often really 75. Also as stated before, being an Indy allows that to be a possibility if there is time and we are both enjoying ourselves and each other. Passion and Intimacy isn't always something that fits neatly into a 60 minute time space. There are a few reg Gentlemen who it just always ends up going over with no matter how much time you book...chemisty is good and we really do lose track of time.
This is a hobby that it can happen in on occasion and then again, if there isn't any chemisty, well the 60minutes can feel like 3hrs.
And since we are on the subject of what shouldn't go in a review...when I allow something I do not offer to everyone such as Greek...I also state it should be kept as our "little secret". You may feel comfortable doing something with one Gentleman and that no way means you want to do it with everyone. Why they insist on blabbing they got what everyone else didn't is just for bragging rights I think.
Well...thats just my 2cents...
Happy Holidays Guys and Gals!!
xoxox
Nicole Kelly.

Well, the way I look at is this, if the lady stays past the appointed time with me, or wants me to stay at her location longer by asking or her actions, that's between her and I. I would never post that in a review. And it has happened a few times for me but I'd never say it in a review. Trouble is, that's exactly what happens, other guys feel they should get extra time too.

Same with the donation, the rate is posted on the lady's website. If you say that you get a discount, everyone will expect the same.

My ATF and I spend usually about 3 hours together, not only engaged in sex but a lot of cuddling, kissing and chat. Plus, she asks of me a lower rate than her regular donation. I did not ask for a discount, she offered it of her own choice. There's a big difference. Now, if I go posting "Yeah, I see Miss So-'n-so for 3 hours and the rate is $150" you can bet that relationship will go south in a hurry.

A guy needs to be honest in reviews but also use discretion! If you charm a lady to where she wants to give you extra time, great! But don't advertise it dummy!.....lol