Over the years I have had it happen many times. Too many times that I like to admit. I find it hard to just close the door and pretend she is not there. As I tend to do outcalls, not incalls.
So I will just give them a $100 to go away. Now I like to use reviewed ladies but to be honest I like new ladies that might not be reviewed or who are not tainted by the business. I like older providers. I screen them as much as they screen me. Checking out ads and reviewing photos. There are a few of us that communicate and we swap thoughts on them. I have had some good experiences and some not so good. I compare it to gambling. I put my money down and roll the dice. It is a bummer when I lose but what a high when I hit a ladylike Erika, or Catherine, or Lauren, or Leigh. It makes it all that much more enjoyable. Enjoy guys!We all know it runs rampant in the lifestyle, most prevalent on the now defunct site that pushed us in to this current mess. But with reviews down, it's now once again open season for the trimmed ages, fake or heavily brushed pics. As a client....I have my ideal type. Age range, height, build....
But what would you do if you booked an appointment, showed up to find that you've been duped? Be it that the lady is simply older than you desire ( never seen any advertise as older than they actually are), to the ultimate sin of not even being close to the lady represented in the ad. Would you feel it to be of bad taste to walk away? And why so much false advertising? Because these particular ladies think once you're there, that any seat in the house will suffice?
I know that not all ladies do this, but it's a much higher percentage than should be acceptable. Guys.... if you tried to bullshit on anything, do you think the lady would be forgiving?
Yes, I got duped a while back...and not off BP. The lady was 8 to 14 yrs older than advertised. Give or take a couple. Regardless, well beyond my age range. And her pictures were old, and not near an accurate portrayal of current condition. I stuck it out.... mostly because of some sense of honor to my commitment to the appointment, but I really wanted to walk. I feel that should be within my right, but I'm curious as to how others would navigate a similar situation. Or hearing war stories of past experiences of the like.
What else do we have to talk about these days?
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You should leave and not leave her a dime. Why did you feel a "sense of honor" when she sure didn't? The reason they do this is because they can. Too many guys show up and then stay anyway. If everyone left, do you think the ladies would be doing it?
By the way it's not like this is a new topic. It has been discussed here a zillion times when this site was not on life support. Then again like you said, what else is there to talk about. Now this thread will stay on the front page for months but still only a handful of people will read it rather than hundreds or thousands like before. 🙁
Enabling doesnt help anybody.
He could be a father theresa and tell her no matter where she's at, if she markets herself properly and accurately, there's a market for her as well. Sex by deception is extremely horrible for women, but it happens to men too. They feel obligated to go through with the date, but it's a different person than they expected. Totally not politically correct in today's environment, but to me I think it can be just as damaging to a man as to a woman or whatever gender you may be. And there is nothing more insulting then being tricked. I say, and I know a lot of people don't like these social media sites, if you don't like them then stay away from them. But boy oh boy, if you're worried about running into somebody who is not the person you booked with, Instagram and Twitter have a lot of selfies. Maybe pick people with selfies that are regularly portrayed. Also, you can kind of tell by the conversations that people have who has met whom. I know it's not the same as reading a review, but at the same time you can read between the lines. It's a little stalkerish, but when it comes to business that's okay to study people because you are a consumer researching something you are going to spend money on. And we are aware of that. That is completely acceptable in my book.
Don't think for one second that your feelings are not valid, because if they are not valid because you are a consumer visiting a woman who posed as somebody else, we really don't have any grounds to stand upon as providers when somebody does it to us.
The only problem there is the situation where if she's going to show up a different person, what is she going to do with your information. That's something to juggle as well because you fear for your safety. I really say do your research especially nowadays and try to read between the lines. You don't have to sign up for Twitter to find somebody on there that is as close to "reviewed" as possible at this point.
The beginning of my response was a little tongue-in-cheek, because you never tell a woman how to run her business. Oh boy. That's probably more dangerous than running into a pimp. LOL!
However, sometimes people need to eat their own medicine. I do feel for people who feel the need to false advertise. But sometimes it's not them, it's the person advertising them. There are a lot of pimps out there doing that. I didn't even know where I was being advertised when I first started, or what age I was advertise as. So we would be in a date, and they would be like wow 26 years old. And I'd be like I'm 30 what are you talking about? Then they would look at me and say you do not look 30. That was when I was 30 by the way I'm not 30 anymore LOL! So sometimes the lady doesn't even know how she's being advertised quite honestly. But that's not your problem, and you need to do what you need to do. You can't solve every problem in the world. If everybody's walking out, maybe they'll do something different. To be politically correct yes it's sad when people feel they need to do that like I said before, but there's a market for everything and maybe people should be a little bit more honest you know? Otherwise you made a decision based on something that was not true, which is not a good thing for any gender.
Over the years I have had it happen many times. Too many times that I like to admit. I find it hard to just close the door and pretend she is not there. As I tend to do outcalls, not incalls.
So I will just give them a $100 to go away. Now I like to use reviewed ladies but to be honest I like new ladies that might not be reviewed or who are not tainted by the business. I like older providers. I screen them as much as they screen me. Checking out ads and reviewing photos. There are a few of us that communicate and we swap thoughts on them.
I have had some good experiences and some not so good. I compare it to gambling. I put my money down and roll the dice. It is a bummer when I lose but what a high when I hit a ladylike Erika, or Catherine, or Lauren, or Leigh. It makes it all that much more enjoyable.
Enjoy guys!
If a woman knows the worst thing that is going to happen if she shows up 40 lbs heavier or 20 years older than her pics is that she is going to pocket an easy hundred bucks what motivation does she have to STOP doing what this?
I am a firm believer in NOT rewarding bad behavior. If you ordered an Extra Large Supreme pizza for 30 bucks and the guy showed up with some bread sticks in an intentional effort to deceive you would you still give him 10 bucks "to go away" Of course you wouldn't and neither would anyone else and that is why no one would ever try to pull something like that on anyone. Why do you feel obligated to give someone a hundred bucks who tried to cheat you in the first place?
It is very much just as easy to say as it is to do. All you have to do is say "you are not who I was promised/expecting, if you'd like to send over the girl in the picture I'd be more than happy to see HER. Good night"
As long as there are guys like you (and there will ALWAYS be guys like you) there will always be women trying to run this scam, not just "trying" to run it, but actually succeeding at it as you have so readily proven.
I don't do out calls, but ggg mentioned that he does mostly out calls. A visiting B&S Provider knows where he lives. Unlike the pizza B&S, ggg doesn't know where her pizza shop is located. ggg did not say whether he was concerned about repercussions from stiffing a B&S Provider. ggg said, "I find it hard to just close the door and pretend she is not there. ... So I will just give them a $100 to go away."
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I don't envision every B&S Provider who gets stiffed submissively saying, "Got me! It's a fair client, but society's to blame. Sorry to have troubled you." Some angry, BSC B&Ser might come back with friends and do who knows what.
It is very much just as easy to say as it is to do. All you have to do is say "you are not who I was promised/expecting, if you'd like to send over the girl in the picture I'd be more than happy to see HER. Good night"
at an intersection runs up to your car with his squeegee and wants to "clean" your windows with his filthy water, do you give him money to NOT touch your car? If you do, he'll be waiting for you again tomorrow. As GaG says, you're enabling scamming by giving her money at all when she's a girl you wouldn't even fuck with Fisher's dick. Lol If it happens to you very much, they are all probably telling their ugly fat friends about you. $100 is a good hit for just showing up for many girls that are, shall we say, "beyond their prime."
But it is reasonably priced.
many an hour tossing about. Lol
First thing that pops up in your head. What do you think you should do?
Answer the first thing. Because that's the answer you should go by. The first instinct is generally the right one. After that, you begin questioning yourself based on whatever your personality type is. But you question your own ethics. So what do you think you should do, before all of that starts going on in your mind? That's the answer. You do what you feel is best for you.
Either way you're going to leave kicking yourself if you're an over-thinker, which is obvious already. I don't think that's a weakness by the way so don't take that as an insult because I'm an over-thinker too. No matter what you do, if you stay you're going to kick yourself. If you leave, you're going to question yourself. Either way you're going to question yourself because you already are questioning yourself. Go by the first instinct that's what I've learned. I'm not saying it's right 100%, but it is a lot of times. And for the times it's not right, remember, you're not the only person who makes decisions and looks back and thinks you could have made another one. We all do that. Well, those of us who think too much LOL.
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My gut instinct was to leave. I wanted to say " I'm sorry, this isn't going to work", then turn around and leave.
but just like our favorite drunk poster (me) she made a lot of sense, that is EXACTLY what you should have done, but it sounds like you only thought about doing that and ended up doing something else completely different instead.
For the record I have had this happen to me many times, even with "well reviewed" providers, which I blame on reviewers who are either blind, have no standards or don't want to "hurt the woman's business" and I do exactly as PS suggested above. I leave, I don't leave cab money, I don't leave a cancellation fee, and in most cases I don't even give so much as a mumbled "I'm sorry" because quite frankly I feel that as the aggrieved party I am the one owed an apology.
Please don't tell us "Well I was already there and I didn't want to hurt her feelings blah blah blah", but we already know that's what happened, don't we?
I wrote my best ads while under the influence way back when too. Heh heh
Well, you've already made up your mind as to why I stayed. In actuality... it's because I was new to P411 and wasn't sure what a walkout might incur as far as ramifications, if any.
It was my 1st appointment booked with a provider through the site. I was naive in thinking that a provider being a member there, wouldn't be allowed to falsely advertise, and I didnt know if I could/ would be banned from the site if I left. Ive spoken with P411
( pherhaps Gina), and have been told im within rights to protect my own interests. Now, I do know better, and if the situation were to occur again... I would walk!
At no time did her feelings come in to play in my decision. Why should I give two shots about the feelings of a woman who falsely advertises herself?
I'll agree with you as far as some people just have low or non existent standards, as I've seen some providers that I find hideous, yet read reviews toasting her beauty. To each their own...
And even though I've thought to myself" what the hell is this guy on?", I've never been so crass as to call them out over it.
But for you Gaga.... just refer to your own beliefs as to why I stayed.
that you stayed when she wasn't your type, you learned from that experience and that's a good thing. I'm sure no one here has made any mistakes either, riiiiiight? 
Steph XO
...you've encouraged and rewarded bad behavior. Such bad behavior will now continue, as she's gotten away with it...again! With the dearth of reviews and most resources we clients had at our disposal, the instances of this kind of bad behavior will continue to increase.
The lack of accountability will encourage less-than-honorable "providers" to continue to deceive clients...and the clients will now have no platform to inform their brethren about such bad behavior.
as an occupational hazard of being a sex customer. I agree that the a majority of provider advertising is inflated in some way, but I counter that by tempering my expectations. Whatever the ad says, I will add ten years to the age, 15-20 pounds to her stated weight, and reduce her cup size by one. As a result, I am rarely that disappointed with what greets me at the door, and about half the time, I am pleasantly surprised that she is younger, thinner and has bigger tits than I had prepared myself for.
I think this is another area where a monger's volume comes into play. I have never walked out of a session at the start for misrepresentation, but only for a hygiene issue, and have no problem telling her that is the reason. If she has puffed up her presentation and falls short in reality, I just chalk it off to experience and move on to the next one. However, I can understand that a guy seeing one girl a month would react differently if he felt he was scammed by the ad representation versus reality when he arrived.
but I will concede, I have never walked on a K-girl, and I know K-girls make up the majority your sessions. This is not to say that I have been happy with the appearance of every K-girl I have seen. I have seen quite a few "butterfaces", many K-girls much older than advertised, and a more than a few who were 10-15 lbs heavier than the 98 lb spinner in the pics. What I have found in the K-girl world are women grossly overweight, even at 15 lbs heavier, we are still talking in the sub 120 lb range which is not enough to make me take a hike.
Now OTOH, outside of the K-Girl world I have had women misrepresent themselves so badly that I most definitely have refused to go through with the session. A 10-15 lb weight differential is one thing, 30 lbs or more is quite another, expecting a 25 year old K-Girl and finding a 35 year old woman in decent shape is acceptable, having the door opened to find a woman obviously pushing 50 is quite another.
It's funny, I find my "volume" is one of the reasons I don't go through with appointments with B&S providers. I disagree with your premise there entirely. If a guy only sees one woman a month, I think he is a lot more likely to "go through with it" with a woman he is not happy with because he might not get the opportunity again for several weeks, where with me I can just see someone else tomorrow, or in some cases simply later that day. It's also one of the reasons I don't spend anywhere near the amount of research that a low volume monger does for each date. A bad date for me (or you) is simply a minor inconvenience, whereas a bad date for an infrequent hobbyist can put him in a sour mood for weeks, just look at all the posts we have seen by guys so butt hurt over a bad date they feel obligated to come on these boards to whine about it, only to have assholes like you and me call them "whiners" for their trouble. lol
In my first ever appointment, I tried to see a pretty, elegant girl with glowing reviews I saw on P411. She blurred her face. I was surprised when seeing her. I thought she was old and the pics were stolen. I paid her to leave right away because I was a total clueless newbie and didn't want to make a big deal. She felt bad about taking the money and wanted to give me a free session another time. Then she kept trying to give me free session after that but I could never see myself doing it LOL.
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A day or two later, I randomly picked a K-Girl on another site. She was young and good looking even when comparing to all I have seen since. Then the next one I still consider an ATF. Then another and another... I felt like I kept hitting the jackpot.
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And I have never walked out on a K-Girl ever. I don't want BL and miss other girls because of that. OTOH, I met girls I didn't expect to have a good time at first whether because of looks, age, or weight, but surpassed expectation later. Can't remember when I started to ignore age, weight, "natural", cup sizes and their profile. Or care if pics are really hers.
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I would also shrug off a bad date and move on to another girl who would make me forget about it. But I have no problem with "whiners" or bad reviews because they could save me from a similar bad date. I just have to believe them first.
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The reason I have never "walked" on a K-girl (Or Thai agency girl) is not out of fear of being BL'd, I will never be held hostage by that particular weapon. It's that I have yet to see any K-girl that didn't meet the "minimum mandatory" standard for me. Asian agencies get a certain amount of latitude with me where it comes to "butterfaces" since I know the face pics are either blurred or otherwise altered because of facial recognition issues. Unless a girl was "butt fucking ugly" which has not happened to me yet with a K-girl agency, I can put up with a butterface as long as her body is young and toned
As for "whiners" they are much different from honest, but tough reviewers. Whiners are guys who come on these boards and without naming names or otherwise helping out the community start whining about fake pics and lousy service yet claim "they don't want to hurt a lady's business" by naming them. Honest reviewers are quite a different story as they make TER (or at least they did) a place worth coming to.
I only speak for and about myself. I knew you don't fear BL exactly as you said. I also haven't seen "butt fucking ugly" K-Girl that I wouldn't at least try. I still have lower standard than many. A reviewer said he wanted to walk out on my ATF. I had also seen and enjoyed girls who couldn't last a week during normal times, including some many would call K-Fatty or MILF. One time I left grinning then I did a double-take and thought, what the hell was I thinking?
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After spending hours getting excited, my first thought is never "to walk" but "to wait and see". I still wouldn't want a BL with even the worse agency. I rather choose not to do more business with them. It's all about what matters more to me.
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I did forget you dislike whining without names. You have a point. There is a little bit of "not wanting to hurt a lady's business" in me, but only if I like her enough even when I was disappointed. I rather steer people toward quality ladies than steer them away from my disappointments (and get BL for that good deed). Honest reviewers have my respect because they are simply better.
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Some (many?) guys have to adjust their business schedules to make time to be out of the office (or work site), travel to and from an incall (sometimes an hour or more, each way), get back to work, wipe the shit eating grin off their face and make it seem like nothing happened while they were out to "run an errand", "have an off site meeting" or "visit the dentist."
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Local travel is subject to weather and traffic delays, so polite guys factor that in and strive to be on time or early. Longer traveling is also subject to delays and other problems that can throw off a tight schedule ... so polite guys will add a cushion to their travel plans. They might take an earlier, less convenient flight in order to arrive extra early and not have to cancel due to a late arrival.
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The NCNS and B&S is inconvenient to all but especially so for the low volume clients who have to put more effort into arranging their schedules to get any volume at all.
always has many of the top tier girls, trying to see them from where I live and work in OC on a weekday makes it a six-hour proposition with traffic factored in. Two hours there, a two hour session, and two hours back. After a few years of this, I started limiting my WLA sessions to Saturdays only (at about 40 minutes one-way) and I'm getting a lot more work done. My OC office is only 20 minutes from about 15 incalls, each with two girls, so plenty of choices without the drive, just slightly less skilled ladies on average, but once in awhile OC gets a superstar.
My mistake for thinking providers on p411 would be held to a higher standard of accountability. I don't blame the site. That was my own naivety. Lesson learned...
I'm fairly open minded where it comes to women. I don't mind older.... if they look exquisite. Breast size is open as well, unless they're flat chested. The only thing I can't seem to bend on is hair length.... I can't deal with short hair. I love women with long flowing locks. That's the 80's child trapped within...
I already said how I dealt with this (mine was outcall, yours was incall). I was a nice newbie who turned her away without telling her she was not attractive enough. She was a nice lady for taking my money but wanting to make it up with free session.
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But I couldn't really claim it was B&S when I couldn't see her face in the pics. I didn't join P411 and my research was just reading some linked reviews. Given my standard now, I would give her a try. It only felt like B&S when I was a newbie.
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To answer your other questions, they use false ads because they can get guys who have trouble walking away. It's also true some ladies do not know how they are represented if they don't advertise themselves. Some K-Girl bookers use stock pics because the ladies didn't provide pics. They also use TGTBT or photoshopped pics to hook guys like me. Some professional photos are done too well that you can't recognize her. Some K-Girls use pics from years ago and they have been 24 since 2008. I was told one favorite is close to her 50 when she didn't look a day older than 27. Now you know why my standard turns out like this LOL. And guys are still complaining about K-Girls falsely advertising and too many horny dudes enabling them.
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I don't bullshit with the ladies so there is nothing to forgive. Except others may think I bullshit right now LOL.
For incall, leave.
For outcall, tell her she must have the wrong room.
I have been the victim of other escorts (or their pimps) without scruples who have stolen my photos and have refused to remove them from the advertisement, the worst part is the lack of control by the webmasters who run the website.
There are some webmasters who are responsible and have some rules for the control to confirm that you are the owner of the ad and who appears in the photos, but there are those who only seek the advertiser's money and do not have any kind of ethical code.