"90% of my time in prostitution was spent telling & reassuring men that I was happy- choosing to be there so as to absolve them of their guilt.
Carefully crafted stories, responses, & marketing tactics.
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The other 10% of the time was the sexual stuff.
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The lie is what men pay for.
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Johns *literally* rated us using an ‘LAS’ scale (Looks, Attitude, Service).
Notice the last 2 categories there?
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Trust me… they care(d) very much about more than just our bodies and the sex.
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And stop & think for a second at just how SICK it is that an ‘Attitude’ rating exists at all.
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To know that so many women despise prostitution that sellers need to be ranked/categorized by johns for who ultimately conceals their disdain the best is seriously f*cking psychotic."
Are you saying that it is "psychotic" that men rate women based on their attitude?
That seems to be a fairly strange position to take. In fact, I would rate attitude at the top of the list over looks, body, and even performance because who wants to see someone who is showing disdain for you?
Now, on the question of whether providers hate their job or not, that is something we can never know for sure, at least in most cases. The truth is that it is probably somewhere in the middle. Hell, there are days when I hate my own job and want to walk away from it, but then again it's nice to have a good paycheck, and it beats cleaning up elephant shit.
But maybe I don't understand what you are trying to say, so could you clean up some of your grammar and try again please?
All those were quotes from an ex-provider.
Explain to the class..por favor
Fester has numerous issues but, at base, he's just a complete idiot.
But, yes, grammar aside, this is one of his more idiotic posts.
I see that you are deliberately replying to someone solely to pick an internet fight with the OP. Why, does it honestly give you that much entertainment in life?
I recommend a movie instead. I really like the John Wick series, the new one just came out! I also recommend Paddington, which I actually truley love (the pacing in the first is fantastic). Maybe, Paddington would help you be a more pleasant person.
and clap it over your mouth. Take a second and shove it into another handy orifice.
Then go and read other members' replies to this clown.
Apparently you failed to read his OP here. Or perhaps you lack critical thinking skills.
No, I have critical thinking skills. I choose to use it on things that are actually important in my life, like telling folks how good Paddington is. While you, just seem to be a sad, angry, little man.
You also seem to be Manwithmanyclaims, all of them lame. First of all, simply asserting "I have critical thinking skills" when all the evidence is to the contrary is profoundly weak. This attempt, especially when bolstered by continuing assertions about your love of Paddington on a fuckboard is more than hilarious.
As for your guesses about me, another epic fail. I won't, for example, tell you anything about myself but if you knew where I was now you'd be crushed. Suffice it to say I am happy, healthy and wealthy. I just have little tolerance for stupidity, with is the primary attribute of you and your pal, Fester.
Oh, and Paddington doesn't even like you.
I mean with all the evidence I've seen, the fact you spend way too much time arguing with folks is contary to your claim of being happy. I mean if arguing with people on this board makes you genuinely happy, I guess I'm fine with it. Everyone deserves happiness but maybe try doing something more constructive with the amount of time you spend here. Also, Paddington loves all except for those who insult orange marmalade. If you had critical thinking, you would of known that.
I don't see anything wrong with talking about Paddington, it's a good ass movie. I don't see pushback from anyone else but you, so maybe you are a genuine unhappy person as the movie is about happiness and enjoying your life. I mean if that's not your style, I did see John Wick 4 last night. That was great.
Here are a few:
1) I spend very little time here. Perhaps because writing is so difficult for you, you think my posts take a great deal of time, which is not the case.
2) In fact, I spend little time arguing with people here. I'm mostly joking around and the arguing part takes mere seconds.
3) I'll admit to total ignorance about Paddington. That said, an adult who's as fascinated with a fake stuffed bear as you claim to be has some serious issues. This goes double for someone compelled to expose his fascination with said stuffed bear on a fuckboard. Have you ever been laid?
4) Re "John Wick 4" congratulations on branching out. I saw the original and liked it but felt it was too violent. I prefer sex. You might try it.
5) As for unhappiness, I'm in Puerto Vallarta at the moment and that's just not possible here.
Dude, let's play around and say you are where you're at. It's a resort town, and yet you're choosing to spend time on a fuck board. That says a lot more about you, than it does about me regarding my movie choices. It kind of means you got pretty thin skin. There's probably going to be some sort of rant regarding my grammar or something by you, but you're choosing to be angry at someone who is pretty much shitposting. That's kind of sad, but as I said earlier, maybe you're so thin skinned it just probably hurts for you to walk out into any type of light as it sounds like it would easily burn you. Or as I said earlier, you're probably just sad and pathetic that you're so hot and bothered about my posts. So much so you're spend time here, rather than enjoying resort life. You could prove this but not responding, but that's probably not going to happen. Which is sad.
won't like my contribution to this conversation. . . . . I hear Orange marmalade sucks. It tastes like oranges that have already been passed through a real bear, according to my friend Nicky, and he's been known to be right about some things. Personally, I wouldn't know. Never tried either one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UfiCa244XE
Queen Elizabeth (RIP) enjoys a Marmalade Sandwich with Paddington Bear for her Platinum (70 Year) Jubilee (2022).
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http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/look_at_the_orange_mama_laid
Q: What did the chick say when it saw an orange in the nest?
A: Look at the orange mama laid.
The joke has been cited in print to at least 1902, when it was included in the book Up-to-Date Minstrel Jokes.
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won't like my contribution to this conversation. . . . . I hear Orange marmalade sucks. It tastes like oranges that have already been passed through a real bear, according to my friend Nicky, and he's been known to be right about some things. Personally, I wouldn't know. Never tried either one.
Yeah, the movie still didn't make me enjoy orange marmalade. It's just peels and sugar. Much prefer a strawberry preserves or when I'm feeling a little adventurous I'll grab some jalepeno jam on a PB&J. I'm not going to be mad or dislike something about your food preferences especially on a fuck board. We're all adults, where we shouldn't be writing about paragraphs about someone's food opinions. That's just petty, and I don't remember writing "Free Fallin."
I have to agree about attitude - it's very important. Fortunately it's rare that I come across a woman with a bad attitude.
Whether it's real or faked, the provider being "into" our time together makes it much more enjoyable for me.
Saw one recently who, despite her verbal cues, just seemed to be interested in getting the session over with. That was a big turn off.
I've seen a local Thai provider a few times who isn't great in the looks department - not ugly by any means but more "average". Her attitude is amazing though and her "service" is out of this world. More amazing considering that she's been in the business about 15 years and doesn't show any sign of being even a little bit jaded.
I consider her a better experience than many of the gorgeous women I've seen.
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Now, on the question of whether providers hate their job or not, that is something we can never know for sure, at least in most cases. The truth is that it is probably somewhere in the middle. Hell, there are days when I hate my own job and want to walk away from it, but then again it's nice to have a good paycheck, and it beats cleaning up elephant shit.
Rocky and Bullwinkle Parade Sweeper:
His job is to follow the elephants in the parade and clean up the shit. A parade watcher said:
Man, you have a lousy job! Have you ever considered another line of work?
The other guy stopped shoveling the shit and said: "What - and give up show business!
The Twitter user who posted that is a Sex Work Excluding Radical Feminist.
What you’re seeing are the thoughts of a feminist who does not see sex work as empowering, but as oppressive.
or, perhaps just a garden variety troll whiling away the time in his parent's garage.
She’s a former prostitute who now describes herself as a “Commercial Sexual Exploitation Scholar & Activist” and Executive Producer of “Labled”, a docuseries about her life as a sex worker.
Now this is begging to make sense. Thank you
in order to become a "scholar." If it's quantifiable, there are many ladies here who could use that in their advertising. . . . . . "I'm beautiful, charming, smart and I'm ALSO a scholar." Works for me.
All the above that she mentioned are factors of the sex industry, and ike many other jobs out there,things are not always rosy but we get paid ; so if a person hate a job so much, then move on. Maybe she wasn't good at it in the first place anyway. Yes, we all have to deal with asshole at times , but this is the world we live in, so toughen up,get on with it or quit , but don't put down
the industry . There are more positives than negatives, if one navigate the right way.
My first rule is to screen a potential meet up is read their twitter. There are quite a few sw that hate their job. It comes out on their twitter. I just avoid them if I feel like we aren’t a match. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Do you all think most sex workers are truthful in their come-ons? Or like this lady said, it's just marketing to cover her disdain?
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My personal opinion is that I'm not responsible for someone else's lies. I don't force myself on them. I don't manipulate or badger them. They initiate and advertise the offering. I accept on their terms. That is the end of my obligation.
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I don't believe their claims, either. To me it is role play. There is nothing authentic about it. If they actually enjoyed my company, great. I am polite. But I am not going to rock anybody's world. I assume they were at least happy to make the sale.
whether most sex workers are genuine in how they project themselves to their clients, as I’ve met only a small number of all sex workers.
But I think most sex workers I’ve met seem to have a good time during our sessions. I don’t mean I “rock their world” in a sexual way, although I think that’s happened sometimes. I have no control over how a sex worker responds sexually. She may be in the mood that day, or not.
But one thing I do have control over is how I approach sessions with sex workers and what I say and do during them. My approach is to do what I can such that both of us have a good time. That isn’t just being kind; I think the best parties are where everyone is having a good time, not just me. I think almost all sex workers I’ve met have responded positively to that approach.
I’ve also met some sex workers who were clearly playing a role, with non-genuine actions, and over the top with their come-ons. I don’t repeat with them. I’ve been able to minimize those kinds of sessions with careful research and screening, but they happen.
And that's a big improvement for you. But the end of your obligation is NOT simply to "accept on their terms." You also need to show up on time, be clean (I know this is a stretch for you), and treat them respectfully during the allotted time. Only THEN does your obligation end.
But keep trying, Fes!
Most of you who know me know that I have been a provider for years (going on 11 years this spring) I am also very vocal about the sex work industry and also about sex work decriminalization. Often times you will see former sex workers that do post in this manner who are actually now employed by an anti trafficking org, yet because there are not enough victims (good news!!) they now say that *every* sex worker is being trafficked and hates her job. The gals are getting paid, often very well, to tell everyone how much they hated being a sex worker. I am sure there are some of course, like any other job, but to pick apart sex work as being the worst or most degrading is beyond absurd. Of course we are being reviewed. Who has ever had a job where they never received a review? Sex work reviews are a cake walk compared to some of the other professions I have had. I do track my marketing, but that is because this is a business, like any other. If I am paying for an ad, why would I not need be tracking it's effectiveness? Crafted stories? How about just be honest? Gentlemen know we have a life outside of this profession, so I am open about my family, friends, pets, travel, shopping, etc. Anything. Some gals do not want to share a lot, and that is of course up to them, but there is no reason to "craft a story". That is bizarre. I would assume men care more about just sex and our bodies. We are both human beings, right? I care about strangers. Why would two humans that are about to make love not care even a bit about each other? This is silly. I am also on twitter. So if you want to be slightly amused by my hot takes on politics, eating vegetables, my pets, and life in general, you know where to find me!!! 
This woman states that at her peak she was seeing upwards of 13 men a day!! That is a world of difference from the high-end providers who are selective in who they see and sometimes just have 1 client a day. (Or even have FMTY overnight /weekend bookings, etc.) Obviously, this provider was having what amounts to assembly-line brothel sex.
Her story is sobering--and this certainly represents the darker side of "the life." But this is not representative of high-end independents with a loyal clientele. They are participating in the "hobby" on their terms and from what I've experienced they truly enjoy what they do!!
No one is seeing 13 clients a day. That is an absurd lie by the anti sex work community. I know sex workers all over the world, even what we would consider "low end" (I hate that term, fyi) street workers and even those that had a pimp said their usual day was maybe 3 or 4, maybe 5, somedays zero. I used to work in a brothel and the most I ever saw in a day was 4, usually one or two, but again, sometimes zero. Please, do not believe anything published by nordicmodelnow. They have been shown over and over again to just straight out lie.
Just last week had a late appointment. Conversation came up that she was very tired yesterday as she had 12 appointments. Told me she had 7 the next day, which seemed to be a sweet spot for her between generating income and being overworked.
Your experience seems to be more in line with lower volume indies, but I suspect that agency girls tend to hit those higher numbers of guests per day.
It of course CAN happen, but no, it is not that common. I know sex workers from all over the world that work under full illegality, the nordic model, legality, or full decriminalization. They could work for agencies, brothels, or be independent. The vast majority of sex workers have control over how many appointments they take in a day, so I can only *assume* she approved this many appointments assigned to her. My concern is never with "low" or "high" volume, but rather if they have full agency over the amount of clientele they see, which I would hope in your situation was something you asked her before you proceeded with the appointment.
WOW!! That's amazing that they would lie to this extent--obviously a lot of rage and bitterness--(which is sad!!)
Hi Scarlett. I live in NY and have used a local agency of and on for some time. One night I met one of their girls and noticed an small notebook that was open on the night stand, six names listed, one each at 3,4, and 5pm, an hour empty, then the last 3 at 7, 8 and 9pm. Guess what time my name was next to - yup, 9pm. No wonder the poor girl looked ready to cry and had no interest in our session. I truly felt bad for her, and I'm sure the woman running the agency was pushing all the girls this way.
The girl was obviously trafficked. So one would hope that, at a minimum, you walked out. It sounds like you didn't based on your statement she "had no interest in our session." If that's true, you're a fucking pig. You "felt truly bad for her?" Boo hoo. Now go fuck yourself.
Hey Nicky, no I am not a "pig" as you accuse me of being. She was not "trafficked" , as she was free to do whatever she wanted. She left that agency shortly after. Trafficked girls are prisoners of the people who are putting them to work. This agency pushed the girls, not forced the girls to work - huge difference.
That particular agency has been around for years, and never any rumors of trafficking, but the owner has had issues with some of the girls who feel they are too demanding.
And sorry this wasn't clear, but I saw the notebook at the end of the session as I was getting dressed to leave., not at the beginning.
I don't know Anthony, but I do know that one of the main reasons that sex work is still illegal in most of the US is because of the battle cry that all sex workers are being trafficked (not true, of course). I also have no clue about this gal's situation, but I would just please please ask everyone if they are ever in a questionable situation to please make sure she is there on her own free will. As we all well know the government is not very good at helping anyone, so we in this industry really need to step up and show that we are making a conscious effort to police ourselves and to keep everyone safe.
And yet they still do it, and in many cases like customer-centric jobs, they will do it with a smile and professionalism.
She claims if men knew she didn't like her work, 75% wouldn't see her and the 25% that would she labeled as "misogynists, narcissists and sex addicts".
I take issue with this statement. Its bs.
Sure, I wouldn't rate attitude highly if provider is breaking down crying or going on insane rants or is extremely irritated and pissed off at me. And it might be my last time.
Yet it would ALSO be last time with a lawyer or a doctor who would do this. There isn't any exclusivity here. Bad attitude is not very conductive to many jobs.
Merely disliking and being unhappy with your job isn't really enough grounds for a customer to end a business relationship imo.
I'll also note that it's also not that hard (at least for me) to see which providers really like their jobs and have a lot of fun and which don't. Those who pretend might pretend hard, but eventually and inevitably they'll slip up and you'll know how they really feel.
GREAT point--all providers are actresses to a degree but the good ones enjoy what they do and it shows! (Try as they might--the ones that don't truly enjoy it can't completely fake it--in some way it shows!!)
All I want is for her to come and for the few hours I see her to make me feel like I’m the fucking best. Good providers know how to read what you want and give it. The smart ones become repeats because they learn your fetish and preferences. They get what they want and I get what I want. Way to many doing this don’t understand the art and are hacks.
For example I had one lady who was a regular. At first she was all primped did all the shit I wanted. Then she became too gfe. Legs weren’t smoothly shaved,she whined too much. It ended because she got too comfortable and didn’t keep up the illusion.
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