I'm sure this has been discussed a million times, but who is actually dumb enough to fuck without protection?
Is this BBFS thing just used to stir the pot? I can't take it seriously.
You have to be a little nuts just to ask for it. Might be grounds for blacklisting.
I actually had to retrain my dick to jizz with a condom on!
Before I discovered the escort gig I only dated one girl at a time, and never bagged it up. I mean never. The first time I had protected sex was with an escort. It was a serious adjustment but I never even considered bare back. So for all of you BBFS seekers out there, do what I did.
Start jerking off with a condom on! LMAO!
It's true. That is what I did, and it worked.

to avoid those who are so vocal about doing it on a regular basis. You should always assume that both providers and hobbyists are banging 'someone' without a condom whether here or in their personal lives, and do what YOU need to do to be safe. I no longer give credence to anyone bragging about doing it, because that is all they want...shock effect. As long as those people stay away from me, let them do what they want lol.

It annoys me that some want to shuck their responsibility of being safe onto others, when the reality is we are the ONLY ones who can protect OURSELVES. Those who think hobbying is no risk, should not be here because clearly it is. You never know what is going to walk through your door, and no test result or assurance from either side is going to change any of that.

It is not my client's job to keep ME safe...it is mine. Same is true with those who think providers should keep them safe...that is putting way too much responsibility on another person for what you should be doing. If you or I get a disease, it was only our own  fault for 'being here' to begin with.  We need to start being responsible for our own actions and decisions vs. putting that off on someone else. In the end, who is going to be there holding the ball? No one but us.

I love guys who scream providers should get tested every damn day so THEY can have the feeling of that BBBJ...um, not our problem where you choose to put your d*ck without a condom honey. YOUR problem, so protect YOURSELF. Get tested, use condoms, don't just see anyone because your d*ck or pockets tell you so, and don't engage in activities that you think are too risky...that is all one can do.

If a man brings home a disease to his wife, who the hell do you think she is going to be more pissed at...him or the hooker he paid? Probably both, but we won't be in the divorce hearing.







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Had it offered to me a few times. Impression I get is that its the older providers who probably realize their years ( if not months) in the profession are limited and so they try to offer something extra, the "ultimate" pleasure, in an attempt to beat all of the younger competition coming into the biz, especially in these trying eeconomic times when more and more women seem to be turning to providing - both young and older women. I guess they think there will always be enough guys who will think with the small head. Just look at an earlier TER survey question: a majority of the anonymous respondents replied that they would jump at the opportunity for BBFS. Just read some of the reviews: you may note that some no longer mention bagging it or donning the raincoat/party hat, or they mention it as an afterthought,  as though they're disingenuously mentioning putting on a condom. I even know a TER provider who advertises on TER (but not explicitly offering BBFS). I suspect its more prevalent than we think. Some time ago, London made a comment that a lot of the hobbyists here in the WDC area seem to be getting it because they request it a lot. To me it seems not only foolhardy, but the ultimate in greed for a provider to potentially risk so many lives just for money, for their out-of-control greed. What say you, ladies?
Just my thoughts on this ongoing topic of interest.

London,

I don't believe you said that.  It is the most intelligent cool headed thing I've heard from you,
I agree fully.

Bbfs is common in Asia and Latin America. My friend is a MD and is headed to Thailand for a month of barebacking women for the holidays. In Mexico, children are often fathered by the customers and supported only by the provoder.

So once again it's stupid as most of agree. I don't ever want to fuck a hooker without a condom knowing she is most likely doing with others. It grosses me out to think I'm mixing my spunk with somebody elses or even worse daty, fuck that.

The cliff notes for this is don't do it, protect yourself. The end...

Wasn't the bashing you yesterday enough to deter from posting on the same topic again...

Seriously, you make dungman look intelligent...

You get BBBJ's and do DATY on escorts.  If you think that diseases aren't transmittable that way (including the big one) then you are easily as dumb as the people you are putting down.

I love people who do high risk behaviors themselves and then think they get to judge others because they don't do exactly the same specific dangerous act.  

You feel free to take your own advice.  Learn how to jizz into a condom and then only get CBJ's and make sure you use dental dams when doing DATY, but even then, don't think you are qualified to judge anyone else.

How do you expect anyone to believe that shit?
You have to come up with a better story.
That is my question you know.
Is the thread below a big lie?

The Mexico thing is true though.
I know a guy who actually fathered a kid, and brought them both to the US.
He knew the lady for many years first though.
He knocked her up on pour pose.

I've been asked for it, and thought the same as you - "What in the HELL is he thinking?"

Some girls in this game are educated, smart, and savvy. Others are not. Girls who have been in this business for years have told me, in all seriousness, that you can only get diseases when sores are present or something is 'going on down there.' Also that spermicidal jelly (or a listerine strip) kills STD's.

So, I guess some people just don't understand the risks. The rest...well, we all have a different risk tolerance, I guess.

It wasn't posted clearly at all, so no wonder many missed it.
I really just don't believe what I read sometimes.
The stories sound made up to me. Especially BBFS stories.
I do not have to be a doctor to know that getting an uncovered bj from a reviewed women in the US, and on TER is safer than barebacking a girl in Thailand. I am not talking medicine here. It is common sense.
I never said that I am Johnny Safely. I am also sure it happens.BBFS  I think it would be reserved for very well known tricks, and not posted on the boards.
I question the truth behind some of the crap I read here. Thats all.

BTW It always rattles me when someone reads, and comments on my reviews.
Is that why you are invisible?
Why can't I read your reviews?
I'm not fucking with you. Feel free to pm me and explain what I am missing.

The opening line of your post was "I'm sure this has been discussed a million times, but who is actually dumb enough to fuck without protection?"

That was the question that I was addressing.

The reason for my invisibility is because there are many people dumb enough to take my comments as endorsement of BBFS and I don't want to deal with that shit.  

My comments, don't btw, endorse BBFS.  I simply speak out against the hypocrisy of railing against BBFS.  

Any my reviews are irrelevant.  You made the comment about BBFS, and the activities that you choose to engage in relate directly to that.  My argument was based on your history in conjunction with your comment.  If your reviews were all about CBJ and everything covered, then I wouldn't have made the same comments.  I would still have spoken out against judging others, but it would have come from more of a "it's not your place to do so" space than from a hypocritical one.

Over 80 percent of guys in the hobby engage in 'oral' activities without a condom...why not bbfs and greek without one? Duh...because the risk is DOUBLE with vaginal sex and TRIPLE with anal...look that up please, and you might understand why one is so commonplace in the hobby and the others are not.

The risk of oral activities is also more on the person GIVING the service than the one getting, so many guys don't daty on a provider but will GLADLY get a bbbj from one...shocker there lol. FYI, last time I checked though, bbbj and daty did not produce trick babies...just sayin. There are a lot more ramifications caused by BBFS than just disease, but I digress.

You're wrong again about judging I am afraid. We can do whatever we want here and others can call us stupid for it. Sorry, just the way it is. If you are having BBFS which is TWICE the risk of oral activities with random hookers or any woman for that matter that is banging 2-10 guys a week, you are STUPID!

I might offer bbbj and cim, but tell me why I have never caught a damn thing in 5 years and certainly never got pregnant from it? You are comparing Apples and Oranges, because the risks are CLEARLY night and day. Even the people posting shit on the CDC will tell you they HAVE TO be more conservative, and that the risk of catching anything orally like HIV is very slim. Not impossible mind you, but half the risk of bbfs.


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First of all, I love how this post comes right on the heels of me saying that there would be people dumb enough to think I was endorsing BBFS.  

I never said people should engage in those activities.  I just said it was hypocritical to believe that you are completely safe, when engaging in high risk activities yourself.  And if you don't think going down on an escort or a trick (as you call us) is a high risk activity, then we can end the conversation now, because there's not point talking.

Yes, BBBJ and DATY don't make babies, but condoms don't 100% prevent them.  If they are your only form of birth control, in this industry, it's only a matter of time before you are knocked up.

And while the risk of catching HIV orally is slim, that is not true about HPV, Gonorrhea, Chlamydia or Syphilis.  If you think HIV is the only disease to worry about, then you will likely learn differently, the hard way.

I am not saying people should only engage in covered activities.  I am not telling anyone what to do.  Quite frankly, I don't care if you do everything covered, do everything raw, or are completely celibate.  Everyone gets to make their own decisions.

But, they should be educated decisions, and no matter what your decisions are, you are no one to be judging anyone else.

Still doesn't answer the question.
You are good at skating around...
My post wasn't really about BBFS per say.
It was about people lying about it to start a long thread.

I remember you.
You have a point when it comes to risk.
You only talk for guys though. It is a fucked up way to think.
For ladies BBFS is WAY riskier.
Try (if you can) to imagine you let men put cock in your ass.
Would you let them do it without a rubber?

Not my place?
What the fuck do you think we are we doing here??!!??
Having tea?
So who's place is it?
Hold on, Ill get Dr. Phil
GRRRRRRRR

talk smack about oral being a high risk activity...you're clueless. HighER risk than a hand job...sure, but HALF as risky as vaginal sex without a condom. A dozen websites from WebMD to the CDC say flat out that Vaginal sex is TWICE AS RISKY as oral sex....sorry, you lose.

If you want to debate, get your facts straight before doing so, and we won't have a problem entertaining you. I also don't care what another person does, but don't tell us we can't call them out...duh. If a cbj girl wants to come on here and tell me I am more of a risk than she is....she would be RIGHT! No reason to get offended at the damn truth, and people who seek bbfs with no selection process are a danger and outright fkin STUPID!

You can yell not to judge all day long babe...won't happen. Hate to break it to ya, but we can do what we want lol. We are judged and do judge in some form or another every day of our lives...you included, so get off your freakin soap box.



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If I eat a well reviewed pussy, I have the same risk of contracting said STD from fucking a foreign girl in a less than established country raw?
Syphilis is basically non existent in the US. BTW. You get that in places like Thailand.
I highly doubt any provider here would work knowing she had some shit.
I want to hear your point of view on this.
Peaked my curiosity.

I don't have a significant other presently so I can handle the risk of bbfs. If I were a married hobbyist, I would not take the risk of possibly infecting my partner with anything.

Just because you do not partake in bbfs, don't assume others are lieing or think it's never offered to other men. In Mexico, I get bbfs from about 75% of escorts that I have a second or third date with. I just did this weekend. The cost is  $125 - $150 an hour for this service if you are younger and healthy looking without signs of drug use. Any Tijuana veteran hobbyist (there are thousands) can chime in about the availability. Some hobbyists get bbfs from street girls for as low as $50. To me, the risk is too high with these street walkers because of drug use and poor hygeine.

In Pattaya, Thailand, bbfs was offered 75% of the time on the first date. One cute 20 year old provider was actually insulted when I pulled out a condom. Her words to me were that "her pussy was clean and healthy."

Please don't hate on me or act like bbfs is not fairly common or does not happen since it has not been provided to you personally. I am just speaking from experience as a hobbyist that has travelled the world.

I guess we can agree to disagree.
I'll stay in NYC, and whack off covered.
You go wherever and do whatever.
I truly hope your dick dosent fall off.
It only takes 1 time dude.
Hey BiB! Yea fist bumps only for me.
I'm a little short on money lately, and could use another roommate so I can hobby more.
The couch is open. Just push the used rubbers to the side with a stick or something.

You are making my point.  Oral sex is a risky activity.  If it's only half as risky as BBFS as you say, then it's even higher risk than I thought.  So, you think it's the same risk for a person to have 1 BBFS session a week as it is for a different guy to have 2 oral sessions a week.  I say again.  ROTFLMAO!!!!

And if you are going to site WebMD as a source, you should probably check the site yourself.  Because, they agree with me that oral sex is not a safe activity.

Here's an exact quote...

  "3. Unprotected oral sex is common, but has risks.

  Several sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including HIV, herpes,
  syphilis, gonorrhea, HPV, and viral hepatitis can be passed on through oral sex.

  "Oral sex is not safe sex," says Terri Warren, RN, owner of Westover Heights Clinic
  in Portland, Ore., a private clinic specializing in STDs. "It's safer sex, but it's definitely
  not safe sex."


Once again, I am not saying what activities people should and shouldn't engage in.  I just think people should know the risks so they can make educated decisions about what their risk tolerance is.

It's in your best interests to lie to men and have them not think about the risks of STDs.  Thinking about them is bad for business.  But, the more you post, the less credibility you have.

Please show me one case where AIDS was contracted through oral means though...waiting. I am not saying does not happen or never has, but it has NEVER been documented. Again, you miss that fact that I said it is possible to have bbfs or any unprotected sex reasonably. You can't see what HOC's tone is, and that much is obvious because you keep reverting back to the "don't judge" card, which once again is not going to happen.

I don't fk stupid men, so no need to lie to them about anything lol. THEY are usually the ones INSISTING on bbbj honey, not me. They also insist on covered full service, which I agree with. Why do you think that is? Because THEY KNOW the risk is more on me than on them...that's why.

If people want to judge bbbj providers, they can certainly do so and much is the same for those seeking bbfs with any girl, at any rate. Your facts are skewed, because it was never about who does what. Saying someone taking the highest possible risk is just as protected as one who takes at least 'some' precautions, is well...just crazy and that is what you're saying here.

I agree that unless you do all things protected, you really have no platform to speak from but gimme a break. Again, 80 percent of guys and gals in the hobby engage in unprotected oral, but nowhere near that many engage in BBFS much less anal without a condom. That right there should give you a clue about how worried people are, and about what.


I get that you find it hypocritical, but again who is preaching against the very thing THEY are doing? If someone is not engaging in BBFS themselves, it is not hypocritical of them to preach against it lol. Doi.

Here is my first post in this thread...perhaps this is the response you were looking to get from everyone..not gonna happen. You will note I said, be responsible for YOURSELF and no one else.

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=554343&boardID=12&page=1#554343

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