mostly directed to providers but clients are welcome to input as well i guess. yea get rdy for some salt...
so ive been in contact with a provider for a few months. we tried linking up 3 times but unfortunately her schedule is hectic and such and i dont live near her to see her immediately when she has an opening so theres that. one incident was when she got really sick i would like to say i was understanding and wished her well and that there will be another time we can see each other. 2nd time she was heading out of town for the recent holidays. 3rd time she drops the "sorry i recently made the decision to see only men 45 and over" bomb on me. even after promising to setup a date after coming back from the holidays. you can look at my reviews / white list. even my p411 "okays". id like to say i treat my providers well and quite often tip / get extra gifts. so im HOPING that my providers dont lie to my face and say im an enjoyable client. hell i can even post my texts messages / p411 messages as proof or PM. anyways lets get some points outta the way: -yes i understand that provider RESERVES HER RIGHT to see any client she see fit-yes i understand that the provider can discriminate against all clients to suit her tastes in men
-yes i understand that there are MANY OTHER providers out there for me to see so i asked the provider if she would provide an explanation of the sudden change and possible blacklisting for a quality i possess that i had no control over. so far im met with silence. fine, you dont have to give me one. i just consider that a courtesy and good manners to respond to an honest question. i mean you alrdy made the decision to back out of our date so i dont see what the big deal is. its like shes scared to tell me the truth or whatever. if i did something wrong let me know and ill fix it for next time or next provider whatever you know? anyways, just curious whats so special about clients that are over 45? did something snap and she was like yea never again? i mean we had several setups in our date but SHE was the one that cancelled and made new plans. not me. ive had several providers setup something with me and cancel at the last minute due to changing their minds and seeing ONLY 45+ clients at the last minute. which pretty much wasted my time and effort. if a client did this, lord knows the provider would most likely blacklist him and tell her friends and so on and so forth. BUT we hardly hear stories of providers doing the same thing to us clients that they dont want being done to themselves. well heres one. i hear alot of complaints about clients doing this and that and basically being ungentlemanlike. but what about providers that are unladylike? promising to see a client but changing their mind at the last minute? again yes they can see who they WISH but to GO BACK ON THEIR WORD is what irks me the most. kinda like giving a donation of 300 but actually putting less in the envelope or something of the sort. makes you kinda angry doesnt it? end rant. thanks for playing. and bring alot of popcorn and french fries. thats a whole lotta salt there..
do you mind???why guys can be into asians, bbw or some other types...but females are not allowed to have non mainstream types...
it is like posting...i do not understand why some into BBW or MILFs...it is just their sexual preference for f... sake...
Octavia sweetheart I am over 50,but can you please tell why men over 45 are you personal sexual preference,it may help the youngest men ...
I think he gets that.....my read on this situation is that it's much more about the rude treatment, ie setting and breaking dates etc. That is just my two cents though
preferences are just that. it wasnt a preference until after the 3rd time after she said she would set something up after getting back from the holidays
it is like posting...i do not understand why some into BBW or MILFs...it is just their sexual preference for f... sake...
To start with, I'm taking this at face value.....and there seems to be two issues here.
For her to continually cancel set dates is just rude. I drove through three hours of ice storms the other night to get to a date, because I hate cancelling anything, within in the hobby or out. If I say I'm going to be there, I am, end of story. To lead you on, and then later say "I'm sticking to the 45+ rule" is in poor taste to me.
As for the 45+ rule, it's probably different for every woman, but I will speak from my personal experience. I don't have any hard and fast rules and take each case individually. In my experience, men of a certain age just know how to handle themselves in a variety of situations. They communicate better, they know what they want more clearly, and they are more sure of themselves. It is also my experience that older men tend to be more interested in pleasing their partners. All of these are vast generalizations, which is why I always give the younger guy the opportunity to make their case. I would never lead someone on though, again I just feel it is of extremely poor taste.
Better luck next time, and if you are ever in Chicago look me up. That is if I'm your type 
xoxoxo
You have to remember what world you are in. This is the hobby/provider world. Sometimes, odd, flaky, and discriminatory things go down.
Both hobbyist and providers do it. Hobbyist have superficial preferences such as age, ethnicity, height, body shape, weight, eye color, length of hair, hair color, and the list goes on. A lady can be super hot but a hobbyist can have a foot fetish and think "no, I wont see her again, her feet were too big".
Providers are "allowed" to be just as superficial. Seems hypocritical to believe otherwise.
You are looking at this world the wrong way. You can't look at it the same way you would a customer service experience in the real world. You have to have thicker skin and let it roll of your shoulders if you feel like the "customer service" is a little shady and move on. It really is pointless to complain. There's no manager you can ask to speak to in this world.
You are upset because you got your hopes up but then was let down. An emotional rollercoaster. It's happened to all of us. Last minute cancellation, that bums you out. Or the disappointment of a provider you have seen several time just dropping off the radar.
The nature of the beast sometimes. I'm not saying don't be human and not feel annoyed but it really shouldn't last more than 10 mins before you are thinking "okay, which one of these plethora of wonderful ladies can I see next".
everything you are saying i completely agree. HOWEVER if the client stands up a provider. INSTANT BLACKLIST. no 2nd chance or whatever. from the stories ive heard. but when a provider does the same im just stating MY frustration. and wanted a opinion. 45 seems to be a magic number and i just wanted to know why thats all. it will be 15 yrs before i get there so its a long wait.
Both hobbyist and providers do it. Hobbyist have superficial preferences such as age, ethnicity, height, body shape, weight, eye color, length of hair, hair color, and the list goes on. A lady can be super hot but a hobbyist can have a foot fetish and think "no, I wont see her again, her feet were too big".
Providers are "allowed" to be just as superficial. Seems hypocritical to believe otherwise.
You are looking at this world the wrong way. You can't look at it the same way you would a customer service experience in the real world. You have to have thicker skin and let it roll of your shoulders if you feel like the "customer service" is a little shady and move on. It really is pointless to complain. There's no manager you can ask to speak to in this world.
You are upset because you got your hopes up but then was let down. An emotional rollercoaster. It's happened to all of us. Last minute cancellation, that bums you out. Or the disappointment of a provider you have seen several time just dropping off the radar.
The nature of the beast sometimes. I'm not saying don't be human and not feel annoyed but it really shouldn't last more than 10 mins before you are thinking "okay, which one of these plethora of wonderful ladies can I see next".
I think it's a dumb stereotype myself. And the number 45? I guess it just sounds good. A big number and right in the middle of 40.
People are inconsiderate assholes or awesome regardless of age. That doesn't change because someone hit a magic number of age.
But like all stereotypes, there's flaws in the logic.
But you have to understand we are a minority so when one of us fucks up it easier to make the rest of us look bad and it perpetuates the stereotype. Then we get lumped all together, even though statistically there really arent more ass holes under 35 than there are over 45. But because we are a minority the misconception can be created.
No different than any other social minority group phenomenon.
You've entered the hobby in the electronic age, when it's easy
to find anything at the tip of your fingers. This obviously benefits
providers exponentially. .. as well as us. Don't be spoiled little brats!
So don't fool yourself for a minute that you already know what you
will when you're 35, 45, 50 .... can you grasp this? Do you have a job, run a business, raise a family? Do you think you'll learn anything new over the next 5, 10, 15 years? You better. Same here.
So if you think you're bringing something unique to the table that an experienced provider hasn't experienced already, open your eyes. It might just allow these amazing woman to bring you somewhere that you think you've already been too. I've learned SOOOO much in the past 12 months it's staggering. Shut up, lay back and hop on a magic carpet ride, but expect a few bumps in the road.
You'll look back in 15 years and understand ... exactly what you didn't understand but be wise enough to know there's more to learn.
whoa there cowboy... you lost me. just asked a question and i dont think you even touched basis on anything. kinda went off to deep space there dont ya think?
no need for the shut up and lay back and what have you guy. i just asked a question and wanted to know an opinion of others. no bashing was given from my end.
but from the looks of things you sound like someone whos entitled to something. cant say what but its an attitude thats negative in my book. /cheers
to find anything at the tip of your fingers. This obviously benefits
providers exponentially. .. as well as us. Don't be spoiled little brats!
So don't fool yourself for a minute that you already know what you
will when you're 35, 45, 50 .... can you grasp this? Do you have a job, run a business, raise a family? Do you think you'll learn anything new over the next 5, 10, 15 years? You better. Same here.
So if you think you're bringing something unique to the table that an experienced provider hasn't experienced already, open your eyes. It might just allow these amazing woman to bring you somewhere that you think you've already been too. I've learned SOOOO much in the past 12 months it's staggering. Shut up, lay back and hop on a magic carpet ride, but expect a few bumps in the road.
You'll look back in 15 years and understand ... exactly what you didn't understand but be wise enough to know there's more to learn.
I tried to use analogies to communicate my message. It was meant to share info that seemingly hasn't resonated with you yet. I believe others were more direct and negative. More than several.
My message was to expand your opinion of your experience. Others saw it differently, and responded thusly. Mine was to put it into a context of time. You grasped that part at least?
No skin off my back. There's plenty of women who'll find you more appealing than over 45 men or 60+ like me. Even in conclusion, you thanked people for sharing in this forum, but I'm not sure how many believe you based on your retorts to their contemporaneous comments. Hey, live and learn. Or not.
Good luck.
... and we'll tell you what's special about being 45 lol.
...a lot about you - your age, your education, etc. "incoming salt?" WTF is that?
i apologize i could care less about all the grammar nazis online. the way i see if if you have a problem with me and my writing and its not an english class? you got bigger problems later on in life pal. short of combining numbers and letters and short hand abbreviation w/ "swagger" and correctly spelled words? i think im doing just fine. seems your writing style is the same as mine there buddy. black pot cant call the kettle black if you know what i mean XD
incoming salt is more or less incoming complaint or some frustration / anger, etc.
the fact that you say "i could care less" means that you care but you could care less when you really mean that "you couldn't care less" This reveals that you don't have much in the way of language skills.lol
and website drivel, or do not run it through the grammar check. Congratulations to them for their/their effort.
There have been two touring ladies who have visited my area, both of whom have blown off my attempts at booking with them on a few occasions. I have since moved on, thanks for the advice.
tbh it sounds like all 3 excuses were just that... excuses. i don't think she wants to see but doesn't have balls (lol) to say it to your face.
remember, providers are, at their cores, women. women change their mind.
also, i didn't really see that she actually cancelled a confirmed date... just a "maybe we can get together" and then, no it didn't work out.
dude, wait til you actually meet a confirmed date in her parking garage and she says to your face, "no, i cant' do this" and shines you on. or wait til your confirmed date set 2 weeks ago phones you in your uber when you are a mile away and says "i can't make it i thought it was for 2 hours from now" because (as it turns out from her next review) she was with a guy who extended his 2 hours into 4 hours. both happened to me in the last 2 months.
am i angry? no. (i was miffed, but i got over that). finding new ladies to play with really soothes the pain. and that's all this is about. playing. don't take it personal, because, dude, i can assure you, the ladies are not taking it personal.
but in answer to your question, guys over 45 don't demand answers when a provider says no. they move on. we know life is too damn short to waste getting upset over p4p.
i like the the pun good sir.
actually we had a set date twice. the third time was "when i get back from the holidays". the first time on the day of our date she "woke up very sick". thats fine. 2nd time after the date she call me back 2 days later and said she was leaving town for the holidays. third time there was no date set but after i waited and contacted her after the holidays PER HER REQUEST / INSTRUCTIONS, she drops that 45+ age bomb on me. not cool nor courteous.
not so much angry here. just some salt and annoyed you know? wouldnt be anything if it was random numbers but the 3-5 provider that used the age bomb all said 45+. and yes i typically do feel better find another lady to see. HOWEVER i have a thing called loyalty and once i lock in or correspond with a provider about an appointment and shes interested then its like a burning desire to see ONLY them unless i will go along time without seeing another provider thats when i break off and see someone else till i am able to see that one provider again.
i didnt demand answers. i simply MAY ask why? but if she chooses to ignore me or whatever that just tells me all i need about her as a person and as a provider. but its usually nice to know if i did or said anything wrong so as to avoid that possible mistake in the future with another provider.
remember, providers are, at their cores, women. women change their mind.
also, i didn't really see that she actually cancelled a confirmed date... just a "maybe we can get together" and then, no it didn't work out.
dude, wait til you actually meet a confirmed date in her parking garage and she says to your face, "no, i cant' do this" and shines you on. or wait til your confirmed date set 2 weeks ago phones you in your uber when you are a mile away and says "i can't make it i thought it was for 2 hours from now" because (as it turns out from her next review) she was with a guy who extended his 2 hours into 4 hours. both happened to me in the last 2 months.
am i angry? no. (i was miffed, but i got over that). finding new ladies to play with really soothes the pain. and that's all this is about. playing. don't take it personal, because, dude, i can assure you, the ladies are not taking it personal.
but in answer to your question, guys over 45 don't demand answers when a provider says no. they move on. we know life is too damn short to waste getting upset over p4p.
sorry i misunderstood about the set dates.
but, there's never an answer to why. just chalk it up to the "no strings attached" part of p4p.
and truly, dude, it's her loss.
From his post I doubt she is thinking Oh my , my loss. I think she might be thinking...good call. His post says volumes about him too. And if 3-5 hookers have bailed we might not be hearing the truth from him and his approach. He seems to be the common denominator.
And I highly doubt if given a reason he will leave it at that. I feel he will continue to press his POV in the hopes the hooker will cave....a very good reason why I personally send back a no thank you we are not a good match and then block....the "whys" can get very messy.
There's definitely more to this story. There's just no way that 3-5 ladies would all coincidentally decide to suddenly institute an age minimum during communications with this particular guy.
And I agree, he's exactly the kind of guy who won't accept her explanation without at least attempting to convince her why she's "wrong."
Oh and every time I've rejected someone only to be met with a reply of "your loss," it has only bolstered my confidence in my choices.
And I highly doubt if given a reason he will leave it at that. I feel he will continue to press his POV in the hopes the hooker will cave....a very good reason why I personally send back a no thank you we are not a good match and then block....the "whys" can get very messy.
but your age in terms of maturity that caused the lady to change her mind about seeing you.
Your story speaks to an aggressive insistence upon seeing this provider, and a sense of entitlement to see her on your part. I suspect that she initially agreed to see you, and then became wary and uncomfortable as you continued to communicate insistently with her. Your post says volumes about your ability to accept a simple "no", and thus might present the perception that you would not accept a "no" in the bedroom.
Everyone in this game has heard "no" before. Most have had a NCNS. Justified or not, fair or not, presented honestly or covered in a white lie... how we handle that "no" is a function of maturity and respect. You have the choice to handle the situation more graciously than she seems to have done
thank you for the replies. keep em coming! all advice and points of views are great! both negative and positive. says "volumes" about the ppl here too! XD
anyways would i love to get that provider on here so she can defend her case? sure. am i allowed to call her out? no. and i wouldnt. there are certain things us clients / supposed gentlemen shouldnt do.
oh even though this is a late correction. maybe those that think i am the common denominator due to 3-5 providers changing their minds. its actually over the course of my last 5 years that this happened. with a estimate of approx. 25 seen providers. not that it matters but hey. you do you guys and gals. assume away. i told you my story as best i could and i wanted opinions. sorry if i cant offer anymore.
the hobby is just that... a hobby. you WILL run into scrubs and scum that hear what they want to hear and the common captain save-a-hoes as demonstrated here on this post. all in good sport.
i just asked a question and stated the facts as best i could. sorry those of you that are closed minded immediately just went to the providers side. there was no witch hunt here. unless its me. bring on the stakes and fire boys
anyways would i love to get that provider on here so she can defend her case? sure. am i allowed to call her out? no. and i wouldnt. there are certain things us clients / supposed gentlemen shouldnt do.
oh even though this is a late correction. maybe those that think i am the common denominator due to 3-5 providers changing their minds. its actually over the course of my last 5 years that this happened. with a estimate of approx. 25 seen providers. not that it matters but hey. you do you guys and gals. assume away. i told you my story as best i could and i wanted opinions. sorry if i cant offer anymore.
the hobby is just that... a hobby. you WILL run into scrubs and scum that hear what they want to hear and the common captain save-a-hoes as demonstrated here on this post. all in good sport.
i just asked a question and stated the facts as best i could. sorry those of you that are closed minded immediately just went to the providers side. there was no witch hunt here. unless its me. bring on the stakes and fire boys!