He is full of shit and responsible for shilling crap all around.
There is a percentage of the general population that had been victims of child abuse, or substance abuse issues. There are a lot of wackos and damaged people in the world, and it may just be the anonymity of the internet that draws a lot of BSC to forums like this.
was watching Dr Phil last week. he made the general statement that most women who go into prostitution do so because of low self esteem, have been abused as a child or are addicts of some kind. I think that this is an unfair statement as I have met many providers that seem to be happy well adjusted people. what do you think? is the escort business full of wackos and damage people ?
who put way too much effort into appearing as if they are just the opposite as what you mentioned,
which again I personally find a little bizarre when people try to portray themselves as to fly listen to perfect and they aren't really human or genuine or seem to have any real problems or anything realistic to talk about besides trying to sell themselves and act like they are some fancy high and person
I think in itself that can be a little bit deranged.
all the different people in the world and brains all acts differently.I think that's what makes the world so interesting.
some peoples typing styles are different
certain people may have different issues going on were typing may be more difficult for them
I know for me this week I haven't been able to use my right on my fibro is acting up in the right side of my upper back
It's Made doing chores and cooking quite interesting
you should have seen me trying to chop potatoes with my left arm without being able to use my right arm today it was absolutely the funniest thing in the world
I think what most people would say is crazy usually some of the most creative successful people would be deemed crazy by people who are supposedly whatever people think normal is supposed to be.
I don't know anyone who grew up in a perfect home that does not have any tragedy .
I have one friend who is very successful extremely stable and her father got arrested for selling her one when we were in high school and was on the front page of the paper
then the police were always at her house because her dad would beat up her mother
I went away on a family vacation with them my parents were divorced we didn't have family vacations anymore so most of my friends in the neighborhood I got brought on their family vacations
I remember showing me her dads crack pipe we're about 11 years old he kept in the bathroom
this is one of many of the people I grew up with who had a rocky family around them but they turned out to be very very balanced and very successful with normal jobs and normal families
that particular girl she is doing very well she has a job as a nurse she has a child and she has a husband and she always has been very normal she's never been crazy she's never been a drunk she's never had any drug problems always a good student
I think this job may attract people who have a lot of creative things they are trying to do that they may need the free time to do. obviously if you're trying to start a business or following some dream to become a famous musician or whatever your case maybe you may not be able to do that if you're working 40 hours a week at a job that pays a lot of your energy
I've heard people say that to that most dancers and most escorts had problems before
well I'm speaking from someone that does go to counseling every week
to be completely honest my therapist is very all for me escorting.I tell her all about my job she laughed a lot of the stuff but she doesnt think its a bad job for me.she had said to me once there are some people that will go through some things and it can be traumatic to them. then you can have another person go through the same experiences and it will not be traumatic at all to them.
I do admit I have a lot better self esteem when I am escorting.there's nothing like having a guy a lot older than you come over and look at you and treat you like you are just the most amazing thing he's ever seen.
I can attest I have never once had a guy the same age as me treat me as nice as the older guys treat me.
I don't really know about that because I grew up with a lot of people with extremely traumatizing things going on around them all through school
and every single one of them was a good student and now has a very successful nice normal career family in life
I definitely don't think that is true what he said because what is he basing that study on probably 95 percent of the women who escort don't tell their counselors about it or talk openly about it to anyone
is probably basing that study on the few 5 percent that are open about that to people
which is probably a very small percentage in a certain personality type that likes to talk about crazy things to people.
well as thing other people may think it's crazy to me it's not crazy I think it's a perfectly great career I don't think there's anything wrong with it make a lot of people happy and it helps me out because I have a hard time to with a lot of things having fibro.
like for example yesterday I was at stop n shop and I realized I can't lift my shopping basket it was only a tiny shopping basket too.
so I had to call my friend that was out in the car and I had him come in and get it for me to help me
all I was thinking is I have to get home and get something in my stomach so I can take a motrin 800
and you have to be very strong to not get extremely frightened when all the sudden you're unable to move completely
what happened a couple of times the most embarrassing was when it was during an appointment and I curled up in a ball and I had to get a heating pad and then we had to call 911 I had to get rushed to hospital
I literally could not move I was in such bad pain from fibromyalgia
so I think everybody does this job for a reason and some people may be very very grateful they have this as a job
I know I have a neighbor and she has fibromyalgia and she has to have a personal shopper and then she has to have a house age coming to her house keeping for her cause she's not able to do dishes or vacuum or anything
and I read on the internet people that have that disorder if they start to get ostracized from other people because they go on disability it can make their condition worsens
as far as the mental illness thing goes I am sure this is very convenient for people who has mental illness and are able to interact with people well in public or maybe they just don't have the ability to keep a stable job because they have mental disorders
and then the whole thing about people having been molested well I didn't have to say it when I was a dancer they were an awful lot of the girls I was friends with their that has been molested
but I think we would find that at any job if people opened up about it there are probably a lot that were.
definitely a lot of people assume promiscuity means and equate molestation as a child growing up.
Do so because:
They want to be healers but haven't the balls to do med school and an internship...
Or:
Because they want to be in the science community, but can't cut the math and are pretty slushy about collecting uncontaminated data...
Or:
Are terrified of the goblins in their own minds and figure if they can pass themselves off as psychologists nobody will catch on that they're scared shitless...
Or: They like to quantify behavior even though there is no mathematical way of doing it...
Or: They just like to probe into other people's shit until they find out that being a clinical psychologist means spending an inordinate amount of time with nut jobs, then they switch to research and either go into psychometrics for corporate America or hook up with a pharmaceutical company and live out their Lomanesque lives as rat wranglers.
Or:
They're too lazy to do anything else and can't bear a work environment that doesn't have a couch nearby.
They go into that field to find out what's wrong with them.
Yeah, that's kind of part and parcel of the goblins in their head thing. But, to be fair, just getting into the puzzle of figuring out how the mind works is a worthwhile pasttime. If you've got a lot of time to pass.
The main thing all shrinks have in common is, they're nuts.
And, some happen to be anything else you can name. The rest of us are fine---even the escorts 
Take 2 aspirin and stop watching Dr Phil.
Rather than the aspirin I would suggest he learn how to use a vaporizer.
At least that way watching Phil wouldn't matter all that much.
Take 2 aspirin and stop watching Dr Phil.
He took two and felt better, so he didn't follow through.
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You need to be nutso as well.
And from my observation...most shrinks have shrinks to figure out why they are shrinks.
As for the gals in the biz...some are nutso, some are sane...most seem to enjoy sex (and the bucks sure seem to help). I see the same breakdown in the civvy world (and buying them shit seems to help) LOL
BTW...why in the fuck are you watching Dr. Phil? It's more entertaining to watch Maury and guess if the guy is the baby's daddy LOL I gotta admit I don't know how Maury does it day in and day out...same fucking show...over and over and over. Must be the bucks.
From what I have heard about Dr Phi, he lives in a very fragile glass house and should put those stones down immediately.
Housewives. So he will assess based on what they want to hear.
The mind is a complex thing, but the psychiatrists are not. They are all taught the same shit from school and try to proforma everybody the same categories. I had to attend many marriage counseling sessions and learned rather quickly that you can easily manipulate their analysis of you, much to the chagrin of the ex-wife who became exasperated being told there is nothing wrong with her husband.
(And that's about what it's worth) is that there are as many different types of personalities (damaged or otherwise) among providers as among most other populations, including clients. It may be true that there are a lot of girls that are trafficced, damaged, pimped and otherwise taken advantage of. These tend to be BP girls and maybe some agency girls, depending on the agency. My very limited sampling leads me to believe that most of the independent ladies that are on TER are not advertising on BP, do significant screening, turn down a goodly number of potential dates and otherwise indicate that they are independent people who have chosen to be providers - some for the long term, some for short term financial issues and who will then will return to RL.
I think that most of us would agree that there is a stratification of providers, ranging from streetwalkers (getting more rare, I think) to BP girls, to agency girls, to independents. My guess is that there are more esteem issues at those levels and Dr. Phil has been spending too much time with the BP girls and not enough time getting to know some of the independents, who seem to have reasonable amounts of self esteem. I know a number of the independent ladies that I have seen seem to be reasonably well-adjusted and self- confident - at least as well as I am and I consider myself to have pretty good self esteem in general.
A related issue is the potential harm to one's mental health that providing might bring after starting as a provider. I would imagine that there is a lot of baggage that follows retirement for some of the ladies who have been trying to stay UTR so that they can eventually quit. A transition back to RL relationships must be scary, with worrying about a SO or friends in a new life finding out, a former client recognizing you in a public place, etc. Another issue is burning out on men in general, with some providers coming to the conclusion that most of us are assholes to one degree or another and giving up on men in general and relationships. What all us johns would like to believe is that providers just love sex and are going to be doing it anyway, providers have just discovered that they can get paid for it as well! The truth is probably more that for many more ladies, this is the best way that they have found to make a decent living wage.
Sorry for the length; thus endeth my ramblings for now.
I'm now waiting for neurobiologists to weigh in on the issue, studying possible variations in brain activity between escorts and non-escorts. I don't think anything can be gleaned from a checklist. If a person is simply asked if they have good self-esteem or low self-esteem, most don't really knows what that means in a comparative sense.
It's like if somebody asks you if you're happy. Well, do you walk around thinking about whether or not you're happy? If you don't think about it much, you're probably a pretty happy person.
But if you answer the question that way, saying, "I don't know, I never think about it," the shrink will suggest that maybe you should spend some time thinking about it least you become a beachcomber or something.
So, next session, same question, and you give a self-evaluation consisting of various thoughts on the topic, and he'll without doubt ask you, "Why do you spend so much time dwelling on that question?"
With an MRI the colors glow orange, green, red, blue, whatever. No real confusion, and a little more worthwhile data to anal-yse (rimshot).
Seriously, the guy doesn't have a medical license.
A psychologist has a degree and is certified to listen to your problems and help you work through them but can't prescribe psychopharmaceuticals, but s/he can diagnose you. So, he does so, but only within the confines of what's considered symptoms of disorders.
In time past, miscegenation laws encouraged people in inter-racial relationships to be diagnosed as having a variety of disorders, and until recently homosexuality was deemed a disorder. So if you're an escort, and laws prohibit... You can finish the rest of this paragraph.
"Doctor" Phil might have a Phd in Psychology, I don't know. But in show business people can call themselves almost anything. An escapologist can be donned by anyone who makes an act out of crawling out of a gunnysack. Just like a provider can call herself Princess so and so and so.
So take it for what it is. He's like any other serf who feels the need to make an excessive amount of money. And he's no doubt under contract.
That nut ball does not help people...
He makes money off of what he can sell..
That.. Is ratings? Commercial time?
We are way above that shit
I don't know what you do for a living, but think about and think about all the things you know are wrong with the world and all the people you think are responsible for the sorry shape of things as well as all those you see as collaborators. Maybe you work in supermarket. And you think it's just terrible that non-organic, genetically engineered food is sold to people. Why do the CEOs of Del Monte and Frito-Lay allow such things to happen?! Why do TV stars you otherwise respect advertise such deplorable junk food?! Why don't they grow some balls and take a stand?!
But you ring up the sales, bag the groceries, and never think that maybe you should stand up and say, "I won't be a part of this anymore!" Why? Because you need your job to make your house payment, your car payment, and whatever else you're in debt for. If you lost your job what would you do?
Well, if Peter Cyote pushes paranormal mind rot on the tube, he's doing it to pay his bills. Doc Phil is playing along with the bigotry game because he has bills to pay. He no longer tries to turn gay people into frustrated straights because there's a different Ziet Geist nowadays. So, he's got to target people who can still be targeted by holy upstanding society. He's making a living, just like any other serf dependent on the corporate state. Just like the hypothetical guy in the supermarket. Just like you. Why do you expect him to take a stand and risk his very lucrative career when you won't take a stand and risk yours?
There's a word for that, I promised some straggly haired chick at the bar that I'd be nice for the rest of the day.
Please overlook typos and Cupertino's because I'm too drunk to proofread anything right now.
That made a lot of sense to me..
Well said.
I have to agree with you there.
Every time I go to town, I can't stop kicking some dog around.
but I doubt it is the women. 
Seriously, stereotyping is stupid in this or any other world, and is merely pandering to ignorance for the sake of ratings and entertainment in this case.
Dr. Phil is a quack and wouldn't know real social science if it hit him in the nuts. Hard. Hell, it already has and he didn't notice:
He didn't say "all." The definition of "most" is 50%+1. It seems very realistic that "most" ladies that go into prostitution have those kinds of issues. Then again, as hotplants and others have said there are people with those issues in all types of other occupations, including psychology.
Maybe we hobybists should put together a fund and ask for a volunteer provider to go service DR Phil and see what he thinks then
I know what this site is and I'm not here to knock it. They came up with a way to make money in the industry, and it worked. But you still have to see it for what it is. I ended up escorting due to a disability that has kept me from holding a regular job. I could never understand why these women put up with the shit they do or why they would do it if they weren't being forced or disabled.
I tried like hell even with my disabiility to be treated right, but it was hard. I wasn't willing to sleep with guys for free in exchange for anything. I'm still not willing to do anything without a condom. I will not put up with abuse from a pimp or an agency. I will not put up with abuse from a client either. Unfortunately, I don't get much business through escorting anymore because of this. I have moved on to something else. Self-esteem has never been an issue for me even with the disability. I'd rather be on welfare than have some guy push me around and tell me what to do or threaten to write bad reviews about me or any of the other shit I've seen happen. I know I'm not perfect, but I am a human being. I demand to be treated right. If I'm not, I'm out the door.
Train wreck lol http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=668598&boardID=12&page=1#668598
To answer your question, "Why would a women who is normal, smart, good looking go into escorting in the first place when there are so many more productive things she could be doing with her life?" Money! Especially with ladies who only do this part-time and aren't desperate but like the extra cash.
Exactly. Intelligent and secure people make stupid mistakes, just like anyone else. A smart person uses this business... she does not let IT use her. That's the difference. Many of us knew exactly what we were doing from day one, had a plan to stay for x amount of years, and exited once we accomplished our goals by using this business to reach them. It's really the perfect format to use men while they use you, and not get pissed off about it or feel bad, like you do when a guy uses you for free.
Sleeping with guys for free never got my bills paid. It never got me through grad school, let me put money aside, etc. This business with all the bad, did in fact allow me to accomplish exactly what I set out to do, and in the time I wanted. In addition, if you give a shit about your clients and your money, you have to learn how to be reliable, punctual, and detail oriented or you will never be on time for an appt. and double book. Problem is, you have kids coming here wanting to make this match.com and ignore the potential risks that come with such a business. They make stupid mistakes over and over, are not discreet, think they know it all, and then want to cry when they get bad reviews, are outed, arrested, stalked, or worse. There are guidelines set for this business, that if you follow, you can avoid 99 percent of the bs we see so many newbies bitching about, but ignorance prevails as always, then they want to blame other people.
Sure, I was amazed at how many fked up providers there are because coming in, I was naive enough to believe they all had their shit together, because I did. Ha, so far from it. Took me six months and a stallker to figure that out. Women who do nothing but yack about other providers behind their backs, try to hurt their business, etc. do NOT have their shit together, nor are they secure. I am not talking about bashing each other on the boards... duh, we all do that, but when you literally have to phone your GFs and tell other clients of yours 'not to see so and so' you're an insecure c*nt.
As for doing everything with a condom... that does not make you any smarter or safer than the next person. Sorry. If you've had BBFS even one time in your real life, you're likely to have HPV anyway. I never used protection at all when I was banging guys for free... that was stupid. People do what they like here... I liked giving bbbj, and would have charged EXTRA if a guy insisted on CBJ to be honest. I was not about to work harder for the same rate... um, fk that lol.
You said and I quote, "I went into escorting because I had a disabilty that prevented me from holding a real job." Well, other providers had a real job the entire time they were here, and only saw a couple guys a month for extra money, not their sole source. You're comparing two different groups of providers... those who came here out of need, and those who came here out of want. The latter is much easier to walk away from.
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It keeps things real. Guys that get offended by the truth are likely not good client material anyway.
So, I don't give it any thought.
Deprived
Because doctors, lawyers, servers, street sweepers, teachers, CEO's, workaholics, and housewives also have low self esteem, have been abused as a child, or are addicts of some kind.
He made a general statement about all people, but only named one profession.
He is full of shit and responsible for shilling crap all around.
There is a percentage of the general population that had been victims of child abuse, or substance abuse issues. There are a lot of wackos and damaged people in the world, and it may just be the anonymity of the internet that draws a lot of BSC to forums like this.
I want to be stereotyped. I want to be classified.
We don't know if he hires providers until he is caught.
Then we will see him apologizing to his wife and audience on TV.
I will be laughing... No, actually no. I don't care. He is neither a clergyman, politician or LE.
He's just a clown on TV. Yeah, I know. He got mone
of that self righteous, sanctimonious, chrome-domed blow hard Dr Phil. The sooner he steps in front of a bus and has his guts pressure blasted out his ears, nose and eye sockets the better.
Psychologists are morons and for the weak minded
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I have yet to meet someone that didn't get into that field of study because of their own personal issues.
By comparison, while I have met a few damaged women that were escorts, most of them are just normal people that like sex, enjoy the company of others, and figured it beat the hell out of sitting at a desk all day for a fraction of the money.
If I had to pick between which group I'd rather spend time with, even if sex wasn't involved, I'd pick escorts over psychologists in a second!
ear emsjhs2009,
I think you proved your point by indicating that Dr. Phil made a "general statement," (with emphasis on the word GENERAL) about those of us women who are involved in the hobby -- that we are all plagued by self-esteem issues, addictions, and child abuse.
But, no sir, there are so many of us who are NOT victims of the reasons Dr. Phil described -- present company included.
Maybe we're actually quite grounded and comfortable in the skin we're in, we enjoy the company of a man without being encumbered in an exclusive relationship, and this opportunity fulfills some of the physical desires we wouldn't normally achieve by being trapped in a relationship.
And hey, if you're looking for ladies in "the escort business" [who are]wackos and damage [sic] people," perhaps one might put the shoe on the other foot! *cheeky grins*
With good hopes that everyone is having a great week so far