I've been in this hobby for three years now, and I've had the privilege of connecting with some of the most remarkable, charming, captivating, sexy ladies I've ever known. And I've had some situations where it was really clear she'd rather not be in the room with me.

3 years 4 posts and no reviews and maybe a 411 member, really don't know who is asking but....I do have one question" why in the hell would you stay in the room and presumably complete a session with some one who to use your words obviously did not want to be there?"  and now you want to discuss how you should explore your newfound social conscience....am I missing something here.
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Avoid $200 hookers.  Once you get beyond a certain bracket, you can be pretty certain no one's being exploited.  

The providers on this forum are the ones that want to engage in sex for money, they're in control of what they're doing, these aren't the ones being pimped out by vicious boyfriends or so drugged out that they charge 20 bucks for BBFS. They want to play, so just play with them and shut up about how all these poor little starving girls have no choice but to suck cock to pay their pimps for a dimebag of heroin.  

411 member, +11 OKs, do all my business there and generally am not active in boards. I don’t review, and prefer to keep it private. I suppose, in the instances where I felt she wasn’t into the whole activity, I should have chalked it up to a loss and left.

In this part of my life, I've been in this 3 years . I was in it also a few decades ago. The only time I got the idea that the young lady didn't want to be in the room with me, was at the beginning and I was 54 and she was 21 or 22. It was my fault. It wasn't right. I got up, made sure that I had left the correct donation and got dressed. I thanked her for her time and told her that it was my fault. Which it was.

Oh Mick, you are making me blush.....but sometimes things just really piss me off.  With a cock in my mouth I am very submissive warm and accommodating but outside of that I am a little blunt and outspoken, especially with pompous asses...
Suzee

...any providers would come forward with their true feelings on this subject, I'm sure the providers desire to be doing what they do with us covers the entire spectrum from joy to regret, providers are just human beings hopefully over 18 years of age & we must trust that they can make up their own mind. Certainly with all the current public awareness with men's abuse taking unfair advantage of women it is a time when many men will be examining if they play a part in this injustice, & the only answer I have is to put yourself in their place & treat them with fairness & respect.

Ohhhhhhh, stop it now you're making me all warm and gooey

If it upsets you to not know, then don't do it.

Had an appointment at a KMP. Of course, when I got there, the person I planned to meet, "She busy now." Mamasan told me to wait in the room, "New girl. Brand new girl." So I'm sitting on the bed (dressed) and she brings in a very pretty new girl, still in civvies. She sees an older gentlemen (me) and starts tearing up. Mamasan has her sit next to me, still teary eyed. I try to communicate in my best sign language and Kenglish. "No, no. Don't worry. You, me, no. Don't worry. Not happening." and I tell Mamasan that I'm not going to stay and that she should not force the girl to stay with me or anyone.
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Maybe if my regulars at that place who know I'm a nice guy had a chance to tell the new girl about me ("Don't worry. Ahjussi is like overcooked ramen noodle. Nice guy.") it might have been different.  But I left.

When I was working as the bouncer for a brothel. The girl just started balling. I grabbed her, took her to the back room and asked her what's going on. She said her boyfriend sent her to work. I told the owners, they did the right thing, wouldn't let her work. They even helped her move out from the guy.
She was much happier working at the supermarket.

A pompous ass?  Some of the others were busy, so they sent me.

I've seen some of the members of this community scoff at "exorbitant" rates, but in my experience, there is a difference in overall quality.  

While it isn't always a guarantee, nor is it possible for each and every client, opting to pay more to see an independent provider is a good step in the right direction when trying to avoid encounters with women (or men) who are being exploited.  

As for your OP, if you're picking your providers on P411 and they have a decent website, several TER reviews, book nicer hotels, have been consistent (same name, phone number, etc...) over time, it's likely she's not providing against her will. In that case, if she doesn't want to be there, chalk it up to chemistry or just a bad day.

Thank YOU. That’s great advice.

Are you answering to the pompous or the ass?
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My pleasure!

Though at this point I only know impposter and micktoz from some of the posts I’ve read, my respect for the indivduals behind those handles just went up a hundred fold.

...having been in p4p since 1992 (off & on).  

could cover half the workers in America.  I have a desk job but mostly I'd rather be somewhere else.  I mostly couldn't stand to watch Mike Rowe's "Dirty Jobs."   How anyone could do some of those jobs is beyond me.

for an hour at a time, they love me back.    I do not want to see them (or any other Provider) harmed in any way.  
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I, and many other K-girl fan boys, treasure them and appreciate their service. I love the K-girls.

I love this question and the thoughtfulness behind it.  

Because it's going to be used against us by activists...whether we are the stereotypical "happy hooker" or not.   Being paid puts us smack dab in the middle of the concept that power dynamics could be considered coercion.  

In today's PC society EVERYBODY is a fucking victim, apparently even independent small business owners like all the wonderful hookers on that post here.

Yes, I would say price but also age.  I am sure there are some really awesome girls out there in their early 20s with a good head on their shoulders, but I do not think I would have done well in this business at that age.  I am in my mid 30s now, know what I like in the bedroom, enjoy exploring my sexuality, and really love my job and the people that I meet in this hobby.
 Anyone who has met me also knows that I treat this as a business.  I keep track of all my income and expenses,  have an IRA,  insurance,  HSA, and own my house and my car.  
If the girl you are going to see seems very unorganized, does not have a car/ride, is living out of a very low end hotel, is willing to do 15 or 30 minute sessions for next to nothing,  or your gut just has a bad feeling, those are all giant red flags. Walk away. Use the big head.  

Yep, like the 80 plus johns who were busted in a MP sting operation in Phoenix lately. It was promoted as a "Trafficking Sting". Except there was zero trafficking happening and all that occurred was that 80 johns were arrested and the law enforcement gained funding from the Feds and Christian benefactors. It was an employment scam that did nothing for the real problem of sex slave trafficking.

"The best providers spend time putting together a website of their own with nice pictures and a bunch of rules we won't read anyway....". LOL.  

What I like most in this thread is to see so many people actually thinking about what they are doing. There is much great advice here to help us minimize taking advantage of a forced girl.  Liking your job is something most of use wrestle with. Do you like your job.

Thank you so much for your thoughtful response. I’ve been intrigued to read the responses from providers with a BDSM perspective—clearly, that’s a corner of the game in which communication, both verbal and nonverbal, is paramount.

That way you can be sure that you are the one being exploited but...

There’s truth in that.

Often there are clues if someone takes the time to notice.  

Right. Pay close attention to notice the clues...

Nice website. If I'm ever in Wisconsin, I'll be sure to look you up. ; )

$1,000 for the not exploited ones? Maybe $100 for the exploited ones isn't such a bad idea after all.

what’s a “K-girl” anyway?  Korean Girl?  Korean Massage Girl?

A k-girl is typically a Korean escort.  South Koreans have visa waiver status with the US so the girls can come here and go home freely.  But k-girl is also a sort of a session standard that others follow, typically other Asians.

Thanx!

Well let's begin with the fact that many providers are, drumroll.... Gay! Lesbians. They don't want to be touched by any of you ship its nothing personal. They found an easy way to make money and went for it.