First visit with lady or agency- envelope with cash; ad will say in the open, or sometimes bathroom. I count the money 3 or 4 times. No problem. She can count it in front of me or never- her call. I do prefer them to count it before the session though, because I always leave a tip of extra cash or a broad use Gift Card.
If I repeat, I follow the same procedure unless she/they state different. Have had some ladies stick out their hand by the 3rd visit. And also got a “look” from a real regular on about our 20th (?) visit, I’d thought I’d hand her the money...... It went on the nightstand, where it continues to be placed to this day. I’ve gotten my count wrong once, and I believe I just got my 2 stacks confused pulling into the parking lot. I’ve found using 100’s helps both. But, play it by ear and process and make damn sure you count correctly. Money is an integral part of why we are here; take care of my end and she can handle her end however. Let’s fuck!!!
I always shower prior to the festivities when I arrive at an in-call location, and right before heading to the bathroom I drop off the donation. 95% of the time, I have already showered before showing up to the appointment, however I shower at her place for 3 reasons:
1) Allow her to count the donation
2) Check in, if she needs to
3) Reassure her that I'm clean.
On a few occasions, I have had a woman wait until after I returned from the shower, to then pick up the envelope which had been sitting on the dresser in plain view the whole time, open it up and count the money right there in front of me....
...okay, I don't know about you guys but this is really bad etiquette on the providers part and takes me out of the session.
I don't really relate to it, but I get the concept. You want a "fantasy" not the reality that you are paying for sex.
I can't fix what's going on in your head, but I can offer a very simple idea that might cut down on how often this happens to you. Quit using an envelope unless you are paying thousands of dollars for your dates which looks unlikely. Let's say the donation is $400 which seems to be your normal range. If you quit using one of those silly envelopes and you simply drop 4 $100 bills on the dresser you can pretty much count it from across the room, and you will be spared the "reality check" of your date counting her fee in front of you.
This won't stop this from ever happening to you again, but it might cut down on how often it happens. Personally, what you describe very rarely happens to me, but when it does I can't honestly say it bothers me. I already know she's a hooker, not some hottie I picked up due to my great looks and charm. lol
Seems like Gag is having a rough morning, jumping on everyone's shit. Here's something to liven the mood.
We know he ain't a envelop kinda guy.
Wait for it....wait for it........POW!
No matter how you think about it, every session begins with some kind of "taking care of business" routine. You've developed your own personal (shower & envelope) ritual but not every provider will be on the same wavelength, and there's no reason why they need to be. However things unfold, it's incumbent on you to have the mental discipline to "switch on" the fun part of the session once the business part is over. If you can't compartmentalize in order to do that then you're better off seeing the women with whom you've already had good experiences. Trying to change individual provider behavior is a fool's errand, IMHO.
We never count the donation in front of the client. We feel it sends a bad vibe of mistrust. Our rates are on our website and when the appointment is booked the client is reminded of the donation amount. The only time our companions have been shorted has been when the client extends an appointment which happens very often and they forget to add the extra amount to the envelope. When the donation is counted when our companion has left the room and it is found to be short, the clients is contacted immediately and things are made right. There have been occasions when our companion has left the room without realizing she was short after the client extended and the client has called us first to let us know and our companion when back to pick up the balance. This has been our experience over the past 11+ years. Our agency is not fucked with when it comes to money.
Only girl that counts it in front of me is my ATF of 5 yrs. None of the others ever do. Def bothered me in the beginning but no more. She has me grandfathered in at her old 2 hr rate of 5 Ben`s in a nice studio card plus a 1 Ben tip and always a dozen mixed roses in a vase which she LOVES. After the fun we get dressed, take an Uber to a classy bistro for food and drinks (My treat of course) then back to the hotel and she lets me stay overnight so I don`t drive home 1 1/2 hrs buzzed up and all these extras are OTC. BTW, did I mention breakfast too in the morning. Total tab for everything about 8 Bens, still a bargain all thing considered.
Count away all you want honey then stash it in your knockoff Prada handbag while I stand there beaming. Downside to this is the post date hangover (And not from the scotch either) which at times can be rough but I`ve found a great anecdote for this with 2 young Asian hotties who treat me like a king. I absolutely love Asian girls, they can`t help being like that, it`s in their DNA.
I`ve def found the correct recipe and won`t be going anywhere soon. Life is good!
Doesn't bother me a bit if she counts it in front of me. Especially if it's the first visit.
Since you and I both know you’re paying me for my time, I don’t see why counting it in front of you would be a problem. If ladies screen and you guys check reviews, you don’t have to be so scared about the transaction (and by “you”, I mean all of us).
Also, if there is a discrepancy, there’s no question about that.
One time someone owed me 1200. It was in an envelope. I had see him before, so I just glanced at it, then I left it in my car while we went to a swingers club.
When I got home at the end of the night it was 100$ short. The client insisted that he’d counted it three times. I said it was 100 short.
He never saw me again. Maybe he didn’t trust me. If I would have counted it in front of him the problem would have been solved, and that’s why I often DO count the money in front of the client. But usually I count it while he’s in the shower, like the OP said.
If you care about this, then GAgs gave good advice about laying down 100s.
on presenting the donation. Some guys like to do it when they arrive so that it gets the business part out of the way. Other guys like to do it at the end like they would in a restaurant, in case they want to tip on top of the set rate. At the same time, if its your first session with a new girl, she doesn't know what kind of guy you are, and you don't want her worrying during the time she is supposed to be fully engaged with you whether or not you are going to "short" or "stiff" her.
A happy medium is when I'm seeing a girl for the first time, I give her the envelope up front, and insist she check it while I use the restroom. Then I will ask her when I come back into the room if everything was good with the donation. If I am going to tip at the end, which I will usually do unless she was just awful and I know I'm NEVER going to want to repeat, I do as GaG suggests and just lay the cash conspicuously on the dresser or night stand as I'm getting dressed to leave.
On repeat visits, I will give her the envelope as I leave, which will include he tip.
Every biz counts the money. Even Disneyland.
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Is your use of "fucking" an adjective or a verb? The distinction makes for completely different mental pictures. Lol
is because many dumbasses are using "fake" $ as well as shorting the girls $. So, Rajh03 put yourself in there situation if you've been shorted $, dude gave you fake $? Would you be doing the samething!?
I have no issues with her counting the money but why not count it while I’m in the shower?
And to address the whole ‘silly envelope’ reply by the first comment I’m simply adhering to her rules.
Besides I would think counting the donation out in front of me has some sort of legality, hence why you are never suppose to hand it to her directly.
And for the record this has only happened to me a few times...
Or, in the famous words of Westley from Princess Bride, "Get used to disappointment." Seriously, after all the comments in this thread you're still fixated on this detail? Are you OCD or do you have an excessive need to be in control of things? Does it bug the shit out of you if the socks in your drawer are slightly askew? Just a suggestion but you might want to do some self-assessment as to why you can't let this go. Rule #1 in life (or, if not #1, pretty damn high on the list) is that you can't control others, only yourself and your own reactions to others. p.s. That bit about "legality" is a classic rationization!
Or, in the famous words of Westley from Princess Bride, "Get used to disappointment." Seriously, after all the comments in this thread you're still fixated on this detail? Are you OCD or do you have an excessive need to be in control of things? Does it bug the shit out of you if the socks in your drawer are slightly askew? Just a suggestion but you might want to do some self-assessment as to why you can't let this go. Rule #1 in life (or, if not #1, pretty damn high on the list) is that you can't control others, only yourself and your own reactions to others. p.s. That bit about "legality" is a classic rationization!
...just pointing out a bit of etiquette that some providers might not be aware comes off as being rude or could put themselves in a legal bind if the client isn't who he says he is.
Count the money while I'm in the shower, or pick up the envelope and excuse yourself to the bathroom and count it there. Easy. There's a reason why you're not supposed to hand her the money directly; counting it in front of the client falls into the same dilemma.
Totally agree. I find it rude and that it diminshes the experience, like taking a phone call during an appointment, looking at your watch or texting. I realize that ther seems to be an uptick is bozos trying to pass off play money but there are plenty of ways to check the count and amount without doing it in front of your date.
It's a given that, before the fun part of the session begins, a client needs to take care of the business arrangements to the satisfaction of the provider. This is always the case unless you've prepaid or she allows you to pay afterwards. While I don't disagree that it would be nicer if the $ was counted while I'm in the shower, it's not a categorical requirement for me (and many others) and it doesn't bother me if, whatever her reasons might be, she does things differently. More importantly, I have the mental discipline to be able to compartmentalize and not let that affect the session. I feel sorry for those who lack that capability. It's a completely different issue, however, when it comes to behavior during the session time she agreed to spend with me, and for which I've paid. Incoming/outgoing calls or texts, or obvious clock-watching, if they happen DURING the session, are qualitatively different than the details of how the financial transaction took place.
The only juvenile posting in this thread is YOU. You sound like a whiny snot-nosed kid complaining that the restaurant didn't trim the crusts of your sandwich like your Mommy does at home. A simple reading of the responses (from men AND women) shows that this "bit of etiquette" is a standard that exists primarily in your own mind. The fact you refuse (or are constitutionally unable) to acknowledge that fact shows that you're one of those people who think the world needs to conform to your personal standard of how things should be. Good luck with that one or, as is much more likely, good luck with learning to deal with disappointment. Hey, here's an idea . . . if this really puts your knickers in a twist why don't you inform prospective providers about your standard in advance, and that it's a deal-breaker if they don't comply? That way you can ensure compliance from ladies who don't instantly block you for being an OCD putz. Also, legal-beagle that you so obviously are, please grace us with your pearls of wisdom as to how it makes a scintilla of legal difference whether you hand cash directly to a provider, put it in plain sight on a table, or put it in an envelope? I'd love to hear the arguments you'd make in front of a judge about that one.
legal ramifications of how you handle the donation. If the room is set up with audio and video monitoring as an LE sting location, all you have to do is show up and confirm you are the guy who booked the appointment. The manner in which the donation is transferred is irrelevant. On the other hand, if the provider is legit and you are not being set up, then the manner in which the donation is transferred is irrelevant. I'm glad I was able to help sort out the difference for him, but I'm still willing to take questions if he has them.
A lot of the etiquette posted on providers sites seem to be cut and pasted from each other’s ads, most of them say ‘never hand the donation to me directly...have it in an envelope...or a card/gift bag if meeting in public’...
...some of you idiots need to get some quality trim cause you’re really wound up tight, lol! If the shoe fits...
The only one wrapped tightly will be the OCD putz looking back at you. The whiny OP came from your keyboard and then, after being pretty much universally slapped down by client and provider alike, you still can't get over it and react with serial rationalizations (the dreaded fear and legal jeopardy of counting the cash!) and/or blame-shifting and finger-pointing at others. If you had any balls you'd admit how petty your OP was and slither off to reorganize your sock drawer.
Not going to happen junior..but thanks for the entertaining responses; haven't laughed this hard in a while.
When you graduate from the 8th grade key board gangster, let me know...
...in the meantime, i've got pussy to get.
The biggest laughs in this thread have come from the absolute tone-deafness, delusional rationalizations, and stark hypocrisy that have characterized your posts. Here are the specifics: Tone-deafness - your ludicrous "standard" has been soundly and roundly slapped down, especially by providers. How does it feel to get your ass handed to you (not in a good way) by a girl? Delusional rationalizations - You began by justifying your idiotic OP by saying your standard was merely "a bit of etiquette," then you moved on to imply that it was about issues re "legality," then your most recent rationalization is to cite specifications for cash-handling from various unnamed provider websites. This last one is supremely ludicrous because it says absolutely nothing about your original whine of not wanting cash to be counted in front of your OCD nose. But the REAL coup de grace is the hypocrisy with which you try to rely on what SOME providers say while completely ignoring the way OTHERS choose to operate. Here's the million-dollar question, Sherlock - If the protocols of a provider who says "don't hand me the cash" are worthy of respect, why aren't those of a provider who decides to count the cash in your presence? What an utter, completely defeated, and hypocritical putz you've shown yourself to be! You might want to smash every mirror in your house so as to avoid the humiliation of looking at your pathetic visage. And don't forget to send your next prospective provider a detailed list of "do's and don'ts." You'll be doing her a big favor.
The biggest laughs in this thread have come from the absolute tone-deafness, delusional rationalizations, and stark hypocrisy that have characterized your posts. Here are the specifics: Tone-deafness - your ludicrous "standard" has been soundly and roundly slapped down, especially by providers. How does it feel to get your ass handed to you (not in a good way) by a girl? Delusional rationalizations - You began by justifying your idiotic OP by saying your standard was merely "a bit of etiquette," then you moved on to imply that it was about issues re "legality," then your most recent rationalization is to cite specifications for cash-handling from various unnamed provider websites. This last one is supremely ludicrous because it says absolutely nothing about your original whine of not wanting cash to be counted in front of your OCD nose. But the REAL coup de grace is the hypocrisy with which you try to rely on what SOME providers say while completely ignoring the way OTHERS choose to operate. Here's the million-dollar question, Sherlock - If the protocols of a provider who says "don't hand me the cash" are worthy of respect, why aren't those of a provider who decides to count the cash in your presence? What an utter, completely defeated, and hypocritical putz you've shown yourself to be! You might want to smash every mirror in your house so as to avoid the humiliation of looking at your pathetic visage. And don't forget to send your next prospective provider a detailed list of "do's and don'ts." You'll be doing her a big favor.
Your total inability to defend your lame position has devolved into a total inability to even construct a coherent sentence. I'm happy to keep the debate going (non-debate, on your part) because it's such a blast to see you digging the shithole you've dug for yourself even deeper while having everyone witness your collapse. I guess lol is about the limit of your intellectual capability. I'd say third-grade, but that would be doing a disservice to third-graders. Come to think of it, maybe that's why some providers want to count your cash in front of you. They must not be confident in your math skills and feel the need to double-check. How sad for you!
highlighted his post in blue. Its like getting run over by a car and then asking the driver to back up and do it again. You just brought more attention to the ass-kicking you're getting on this thread. You may be laughing to put on a brave face, but you can't hide the tears. I would feel story for you if you didn't keep doubling down on stupid.
Unless you paid for a FinDom session and this is part of the ritual.
I wouldn't call it rude, but I agree that it should be done while you're in the shower or undressing or not at all. I think the only time that it might be appropriate is if she had a menu, and verifying the donation avoided and miscommunication of what was to come.
OTOH, I wouldn't get my panties in a bunch over it.
If you're in her room ready to shower how would she not be checked in already?
Handing her the "envelope" doesn't mean much legally. In most jurisdictions I am familiar with all it takes is intent - nothing has to change hands.
Correct, it doesn't mean much, but it is a bit of a tell. The LE will always try to get the most blatant evidence of admission. So they tend to ham hand it.
My process has been the same since my first foray in 2005. I walk in, drop off the donation envelope, then ask where I can wash my hands. Once I'm inside the bathroom, I actually wash my hands, and stay there for a few minutes. When I come out, I act like the envelope doesn't exist. I learned this tactic here on TER way back in the good old days.
Whether or not she counts the donation or not, or even touches the envelope at all, that's on her. It's not for me to worry about. All I do is give her the opportunity to count and/or pocket the donation out of my sight, because I'm aware that most providers won't do it in front of the hobbyist.
First visit with lady or agency- envelope with cash; ad will say in the open, or sometimes bathroom. I count the money 3 or 4 times. No problem. She can count it in front of me or never- her call. I do prefer them to count it before the session though, because I always leave a tip of extra cash or a broad use Gift Card.
If I repeat, I follow the same procedure unless she/they state different. Have had some ladies stick out their hand by the 3rd visit. And also got a “look” from a real regular on about our 20th (?) visit, I’d thought I’d hand her the money...... It went on the nightstand, where it continues to be placed to this day.
I’ve gotten my count wrong once, and I believe I just got my 2 stacks confused pulling into the parking lot. I’ve found using 100’s helps both. But, play it by ear and process and make damn sure you count correctly. Money is an integral part of why we are here; take care of my end and she can handle her end however. Let’s fuck!!!
Really??
Still using envelopes??
I haven"t in years!!
though I think it only happened once; the lady in question was looking at it when I came outta the restroom. Whatever makes them feel comfortable, really.
But as I tend to see the same ladies repeatedly, it just doesn’t come up; they know and trust me. The envelope pretty much lays where I left it until I’m gone (yes - I still use the envelope; it just seems nice and polite).
That way everyone knows she got what she came for, and now it is about me. (I do try to give the lady hers sexually as well, but as I am paying, and as I chose her but she didn't I realize that isn't always going happen.) And I don't kid myself why she is there and don't need the fantasy.