The last few days when I was logged in, the number of users online was near 3000. A week ago, it was still under 2000 most of the time. On VPN, it was often 2-300. Obviously, we can't expect 50% increases weekly, but the growth curve is headed in the right direction. As more members return, it will have a domino effect on others. It may take awhile to lure those back that had defected during the blackout to other review sites, but as others leave those sites too, the holdouts will eventually realize its in their best interests to return to TER. No one wants to go down with the those "ships" just out of stubbornness.
Yes, it's too soon to know and there's a long way to go but earlier today there were more than 3,000 people on line. And more old posters are showing up every day.
And that increase is despite you and Laffy still posting.
Oh, and nice move trying to hijack a positive thread, douchebag. Are your Black-Panties ALWAYS in a wad?
With the men here, yeah probably. With the women? No, I dont think so. I think that ship has sailed.
If the men start showing up here in meaningful numbers, the ladies will follow.
Duh.
There is a VERY strong anti-TER bias among MANY women and that was exacerbated post Sesta/Fosta as girls found a way to thrive without TER.
Look at Debs comments, and several others, since TER came back. Many girls have delisted over the last 2 years and some very recently when TER came back.
I hope I am wrong but unless TER makes the changes I and others think it needs to make, many of the higher end girls will be gone forever. We can all argue about what changes need to be made, but some changes are badly needed.
You're being myopic. Also egocentric if you really think TER needs to implement YOUR ideas.
You are kidding yourself if you think it's a "few women." But you are elderly now and not hobbying with hot, younger girls any longer so you wouldn't even know what I am talking about.
No where did I say "my ideas" needed to be implemented but this is typical of your Helen Keller reading comprehension skills. You apparently feel status quo is just fine and dandy.
Society, with regards to women and sexuality, has changed drastically in the last 2 years. Maybe that info didn't make its way to the nursing home?
So, yeah, that's not arrogant and self-centered at ALL. BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
And how the fuck do YOU know it's not a "few women?" Your secret decoder ring?
Get over yourself.
You have this yappy little rat dog following you around "trying" interjecting himself into a conversation he knows NOTHING about. One cuddle session a decade ago hardly makes your little buddy an expert about anything to do about hookers and his support only weakens your argument.
That said, I have to admit that while I support one or two of Jack's suggestions, like expanding the window for some of the backlogged reviews a few months. His other suggestions to make TER a "kinder and gentler" place are simply retreads the so many of the Uber sensitive have been whining about for over ten years.
You might want to bookmark this post because I don't say it often. I AGREE WITH INICKY on this. I think allowing providers to contest every review written about them is a HORRIBLE idea, I thought that 15 years ago when it was first suggested and I still hate the idea today. I also don't want the discussion boards fucked up in an attempt to make them nicer. I am sure you remember when TER tried that a few years ago because a few cunts, (both male and female) whined about how "mean" the boards where and for a brief time you couldn't even say fuck on a fuck board, (poor mikey. lol) it would have completely ruined the boards if TER didn't come to their senses and put things back the way they used to be. TER does NOT need to be a "nicer" place, we have kind of a locker room mentality here, It's always been that way and it's the way that most of us like it. We don't have a bunch of delicate little flowers here, we are a bunch of hookers and Johns and most of the hookers perfectly capable of taking care of themselves and can give as good as they get.
many many many girls, he means 3.
Think about it. The reason TER is unique is because it is the road and track magazine of the hobby. This is the place where the educated hobbyist goes to learn and ascertain about prospective women that he might be interested. Anytime you start to spend a considerable sum or more there are certain things you want to learn about providers before you plunk down X. For those who want to be in the know, this is the primary online library and it served as a gauge during the initial stage of Fosta and Sesta in terms of the level of paranoia and the decisions providers and hobbyist made. It also was the advent of the online bob and weave. That is when the VPN was more necessary although that technology was always prevalent.
I think Jack is on twitter so he will know what I am talking about. When TER folded like a cheap suit and booted the ladies off after F/S most ran to twitter and MANY of them are now radically "woke".
Review culture is NOT acceptable, just like certain terminology. Try using the word "hooker" on SW twitter and see how fast you get smoked. Shit, try using the term "escort" with some escorts and you'll get smoked. It's crazy land.
I am on twitter but I keep my posts to a minimum, I can't stand SJW sexworkers and the majority of providers these days are in that category. They will NOT be returning to TER, neither will all the other NPC/SW's that follow them. God forbid you step out of sync with these ladies, you will get crucified in twitterland where they can demean and boss anyone they want around. No fucking thank you.
I personally don't care too much to jump back into review culture either but my reasons are not the same. I am not having my reviews taken down but I won't promote them or this site to boost my advertising. I'm eh on the whole TER thing. This may change, but currently I am all good with my current situation. I just like coming here to drop some jokes and vent, that's about it.
Of course the panhandlers will be back here so at least there's that crowd TER will gain back. lol
Time will tell but I think Jack is correct on this one.
Ho's are only "woke" when it doesn't cost them money.
Lets see what happens when these woke ho's start losing business to the "Well reviewed TER providers" and we'll see how woke they are. Yes for the last couple of years they had all the power on their side, just like hookers did before TER and the other review sites. This power dynamic is going to change drastically as mongers find out that they have a choice but to jump through every hoop that these woke hookers make their customers jump through.
and by panhandlers, do you mean the old hos who can't get a date, or Laffy The Mooch? rofl
Yes, time will tell, but I hope Jack is wrong and the good hookers will find their way back here.
TER is stuck in the stone age and needs to be brought up to speed a bit. The last two years is like a decade has passed. You and I agree on a few changes, disagree on a few. Ok why not implement the ones we, and most here, agree on?
My goal isn't to get everyone of the gals I and Dev mention to come back. That isn't possible. But we CAN get SOME of them back, and get girls who will chose to escort in the future to be active here IF we take a few steps now.
I am telling you there are VERY nice, sweet and reasonable girls that look at TER as a cesspool. They don't think they, as women AND as escorts, get a fair shake here. Change can be tough but it never killed anyone.
The longer we wait the tougher it will be and if we don't change, we will be only be left with girls here you and I wont have any desire seeing.
Ok, here is a change I think we might agree on.
I don't agree that fake "bad reviews" are as big a problem as you claim, but I will agree that a LOT, even ONE is one too many, of the established reviewers have been known to leverage (extort) girls for extra services, discounted rates, or even freebies for a positive review along with a threat of a bad review if she won't play along.
In the past those guys seemed to do this with impunity, there were even a couple of regional mods accused of similar bad behavior, but with paid admins that problem has been solved. I suggest that if a girl could PROVE this kind of bad behavior on the part of a guy, the guy would get unceremoniously tossed from the site. So much communication is done via text, email, or text and some of these guys were/are so cocky I am sure they almost always leave a paper trail.
How does that sound for a way to level the playing field for the "good hookers" tired of being extorted by the review system? We don't need those kind of reviews, or those kind of reviewers in the first place.
> established reviewers have been known to leverage (extort) girls for extra services, discounted rates, or even freebies for a positive review along with a threat of a bad review if she won't play along.
It would be good if the hooker-only boards point out these scumbags, so others can refuse them.
TER PO board is for. They exchange info on who are the douches and the dangerous.
"Radically woke" is correct. Its funny how they project their morals as to who can out woke who. lol
Even a benign word like "hobbyist" is now a pejorative by the SJW's. Many now use "hobbyist" the way fckter used the word "slobbyist."
Its kind of shocking to see some of the high end girls retweeting the "Shit Hobbyist Say" account. Check that out when you can. Vehemently anti-male, anti client.
Maybe its more of thing up here in NYC, I dont know, or maybe its just a bit worse here. But things really have changed. There are a whole slew of girls which will NEVER come back to TER or never join in the first place.
How long this continues is anybody's guess but I think it is here to stay as they indoctrinate the new girls and bludgeon them if they fall out of line.
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I think most women know what they are doing with their advertising. They are free to do what makes them most comfortable. Some may not feel advertising here is in there best interest, and that may or may not be true, but that is there call to make. You disagree with me privatejet? Thank you.
And TER is not just about advertising..
you are talking about "paying members." And revenue is important. But write a review on one of those who choose not to come back and presto, like it or not, they well be back on TER, de facto.
Now that is a thought. Book an appointment and write a (fair) review on one of them. That would get their panties all in an uproar.
I see a lot of my UTR friends now want to be active on TER. Providers who were delisted before 2018c now back on active here . After struggling for almost two years , women understand TER is the place to make money!!
A few days ago someone mentioned that a lot of the TER-bashing ladies from the past two years were among the first to reappear on the ad boards. I think you are right. Despite putting a positive spin on it, most indies have struggled the past two years without TER. As you say, THIS is the place to make money for providers. They will be back, except for the ones that Jack mentioned. I'm sure he's right about them, but that is probably a small percentage of the whole. lol
All of my dates were/are secured at P411, where I can easily see if I will be a good fit with a provider. I usually can't tell that from ads or profiles here. I'll still yammer on the forums and add reviews, but searching for a provider here is something that I won;t do anymore.
Look at BP when CL stop BP became the big one like concent or not it was popular. It could become bigger with over half of most used sights down. Guys and gals looking for the replacement.
1. Allow adds that are real most sight are fill of spam bots.
2. allow review from everywhere and don't have a anticompitation rule. If looking for a honest review I more inclined to read yet than a page that allows her to post her own reviews.
3. Keep out the USA far as servers.
I’m not sure if ter will be as large/popular as before. My guess, no it won’t. TBH, I really don’t care. I’ll log on, look at the boards that interest me and post when I feel like it and I’ll write reviews from time to time. I’ve met a number of new providers while TER was on sabbatical, so I know I can survive without TER.
now that TER is back. Take that as you will but I think the girls know that this board means something to their bottom line! I do agree that TER has a way to go to get back what it has lost.
I know that's not difficult. The problem TER has with the ladies is the bad will the management has with it's non consent policies. As long as it will publish reviews of ladies without their consent (if they have a website) , there will be a large number who will boycott and continue to bad mouth..
Aside from that, if there are guys that they want as clients here, some will be promoting.
The 2 things everyone hates. Change and the way things are.
Have you EVER heard of a review site that had to get permission from the reviewed businesses before they published a review?
Not to mention, one of TER's prime functions is to protect the CUSTOMERS from rip offs, bad service, fake pics etc. Do you honestly believe that any ROB's are going to give permission to have their lying, thieving ways exposed to the market? Personally I don't care if a bunch of ROB's boycott the site, those are the very women TER was created to help us AVOID, not patronize.
I don't know how many times I have to say this, but TER was NOT created for the women, it was created for whoremongers such as you and me to tell each other about the good hookers and warn each other about the bad ones, it was not created to be an ad venue for the women. Don't get me wrong, I LIKE having the ladies contribute, but that's not TER's primary function, nor what most of the VIP members pay for.
I get all that. Except this is a review site for illegal enterprises and creating a list of meetings that gets brought into courts when prosecuted should have the consent of all parties.
And I get that you don't give a fuck about them.
TER doesn't put these women on the internet for all to see, these women have to already be out there looking for business to be reviewed here in the first place.
As we've discussed before, if a provider doesn't want to be here, she can simply delist. I posted a link about a woman whining about how unfair the review process was and in that thread I told her how to delist and Poof, she and her reviews were gone by the end of that same day. The thread is still there on S&P, look for yourself if you don't believe me. She didn't want to be here and she got her wish.
Agree completely. Just imagine what kind of an upside-down, hobbying world we all would live in, if providers had to approve reviews before they were posted! Makes no sense.
Of course it will never be a perfect hobbying world, sometimes reviews will be either completely in left field or just down right fake. But those are the exception and the preponderance of reviews on a provider and the context of those reviews, provides more than enough information for a hobbyist to decide whether or not he/she wants to pull the trigger.
If someone doesn't want to be on a review site, you can choose not to see her any time you want.
That would be a good enough red flag for you, wouldn't it?
Just don't pay to see them.
This entitled bullshit is ridiculous.
And now TER is threatening turning providers in to authorities when they send notices to delist.
If admin and the moderators step it up.and keep the trolls out of the discussions. It was getting out of hand before the site pulled out of the US, and the ladies were already starting to delist. I think the ones who are coming back are hoping for some positive changes. In the meantime, I will continue to check in once a week or so to see what's going on, but Twitter works best for me at the moment.
I can see TER leaning towards the kinda reviews and sources that have made that Monkey site a viable option when TER went dark. My hope is that TER clamps down on the reviews that seem suspect or come from sources that seem like BP ads.
TER, in a rush to gain momentum in popularity may loose site of what made this site so popular, it's credibility.
Credibility? EM got it's base reviews from TER. They were direct copies from here. How did that happen?
It's supply and demand... The guys...which is us... are the supplies... the demand...are them.... they will not all come back at once, but if there are more demand on here, they will comeback even if they do not like it...
TER back in 2004 - 2009 has never been equaled in the past decade. This is not to say that we can't bring things back to normal as defined before FOSTA, but beyond that is going to take work, and lots of new blood.
I think it will become almost as popular as before (say 90%). The only reason it would not be 100% is fragmentation. (No TV show will ever have the ratings of Seinfeld because there are more channels now.)
TER fills a need for providers and hobbyists. Many on both sides are happy it's back and as with anything there will be people that don't like it.
Currently in Tampa using an organic search on the internet for "escort reviews" ter does not show up at all. I went through all 6 relevant pages and nothing. I can easily get to the site by just entering it's domain, but I cannot find it on a search. Ter was gone for so long it appears it completely lost it's algorithm with the web spiders or ter has decided not to do any seo and not list it by (Search engine Optimization) as to remain hidden from the general public. Don't know if this is the case throughout America but it's a ghost here.
If this is the case, I would think it will take a long time to grow by word of mouth only. If they start an seo campaign like they once had, they could easily get to the top first page again on all search engines for all the hobbyist to see.
SEO is important for legit businesses who want to keep themselves prominently in the public eye. Not sure that's necessarily a wise strategy for TER's future. They have a substantial potential client-base of former users, who don't need search results to make them aware of TER, and many of those will return as the review numbers climb and the value proposition of the site increases. If they can attract those users and continue growing in a low-key way that might be the more prudent course. Only the owners will be able to tell if that generates enough revenue to pay the bills and a satisfactory profit margin. Whatever they do, I would hope they proceed cautiously as FOSTA-SESTA is still an untested minefield.
Review posting is ultimately more important than message board participation. And it's very dependent on region. For DC, it looks like there are 10 or so reviews a day being posted currently, which is pretty good. Guys may still be catching up and writing reviews for older dates. IIRC there would be at least 20 or so reviews a day posted for DC.
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For Detroit, there have only been four reviews posted since TER went back up. Detroit was never a TER hotbed.