I'm starting the pool on when you post up your "I've fallen" thread

Hopefully it'll be better than the lame Superbowl game going on.

I guess plenty of others have tried to get through to you on your blind ambition here...to no avail.

So you don't qualify to get in on the pool...but I've got the under 3 months.

Maybe I should drop your hooker pal a PM and see if the other hookers want in as well  LOL

Oh...and save your nickels on the beers there pal.  Pay the hookers for their time and quit trying to scam them out of it!

Posted By: foreroticreview

See - that is the point you saw.  The actual point made was that I understand my obligation to offer to pay, which was consistent with the thread.

But continue to be an angry young man hiding behind an online ID and cyber-bullying all day.  The rest of us will enjoy our families first and our hobby second, and treat each other with respect.

And let me know when you hit DC - would "love" to buy you a beer bud.

He is the ONE guy who doesn't get it.  I wouldn't worry about what one guy thinks.

Take that out of the equation and you have no meeting.

Unless you're foreroticreview...that guy has yet to learn what this is all about.  

Are you in on the pool?

like she was blaming ladies who started offering GFE whenever that happened years ago. I call bullshit on that. Its not the girls fault for providing something that obviously many guys wanted. Thats like blaming the bar/bartender when you get drunk. Bullshit.

No question this newb has NO clue as to discretion.  And from the PM's I've received others have tried to get this moron to understand that if there are "special' things going on...STFU on a public board.

What I think would be hilarious is if the gal he's outing reads this moron's drivel...and tells her friends, and so on.  Hopefully the hooker hotline is buzzing.  This guy is a danger to those gals!!

And he has NO clue as to why  LOL

Posted By: VegasMassage

Isn't one of the unspoken rules of P4P is that you don't discuss extra time or OTC time, ever? You pretty much announced that she gave you free time. Doesn't matter if you offered to pay... and then, you say that she didn't take your money! Niiiicccceeee.

I would be furious as now, you've just set the expectation that she might give free time to others. Not to mention, what if someone really does expect that and she IS paying attention to the clock and then they get all pissy. Now, her safety could be compromised.

So yeah, CPA does have a valid point, you just got on the defensive and couldn't think straight as to why he's right. Blabbing on boards or in reviews about free time is a no-no.

Posted By: foreroticreview

See - that is the point you saw.  The actual point made was that I understand my obligation to offer to pay, which was consistent with the thread.

But continue to be an angry young man hiding behind an online ID and cyber-bullying all day.  The rest of us will enjoy our families first and our hobby second, and treat each other with respect.

And let me know when you hit DC - would "love" to buy you a beer bud.

Right we guys like the GFE, but the girls understandably get fed up with being the perfect GF and can occasionally get on edge. Especially when the guys say things or do things we shouldnt, you know like we would do with a real GF when she starts bitching.

So the ease of get in and get out is what is appealing for some of the girls.

Yea, but the ones who truly get it are always labeled assholes lol, and no one wants them but us! Hell no, you can't make your rate not doing gfe, but you sure save some drama being cheap bwahhahaa. Just saying...I need a mix of dates, not always the same old shit. If you don't have at least 3 stalkers, you'll see what I mean eventually ha ha.

What I meant was if there was NEVER any GFE, these lines of falling for a hooker and overstaying time, would probably never have started. There is no confusion when the girl only gives you 20 min. of an hour, if you cum. It's bye bye. THAT is what I mean. You can't possibly think streetwalkers have to deal with this crap as much as we do...yea right.

bluepillman, try walking in the shoes of both a gfe provider and a streetwalker, and see how your views change. You simply don't know. Some women are so good at creating the illusion, they have guys stalking them. Don't tell me that would happen if all she did was blow him in a fkin car. I agree with Edrienne, in that it is not on US, but still...some guys keep wanting more and more and more. It's absurd. This is fks for bucks, not match.com and some people need a wake up call!

My "GFE" statement is not only about extending time, but about all of the bullshit that goes with it. First it was only kissing and bbbj you wanted, then it was OMG fkin msog in a damn hour! Now, it's eye gazing, face stroking, and having her tell you she really loves you. What's next...dinner with her fkin parents?

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Agreed. If we do give your ass a special, STFU about it. What you do is make every guy after you get pissed if we can't do it for HIM as well. Other providers have lives...they can't all be a pimp and a ho like me, who gets to post on boards all day long lol.

Fkin Amen finally! This is the exact shit I said about GFE leading to delusions for some. NOT every guy who just "likes gfe" mind you, but the pansy ass, insecure motha fukas that need a mommy instead of a hooker. Ugh! It is guys like that, who make me want to just offer FBSM from now on.

Oh no, and this is a true story. I saw a provider post that she literally "cries" every time a date is over with because "she missed her clients so much." Had she said that here, you guys would have crucified her, but it was a tamer environment with plenty of johnnie boys, who had fallen for hookers.

Maybe you're right but the biz took a natural progression into guys wanting it to feel more "real". With that new found "reality", the money skyrocketed for the women. You have to take the good with the bad or dont offer the GFE service if you (plural you) cant handle the downside. I am just never going to blame a great GFE lady for some asswipe that stalks her. HE IS THE PROBLEM, not her, imo. She is just providing what he is asking for and charging what she feels is just to do so. Its like the asshole that gets drunk in a club with 2,000 people in it, kills people in a car ax on way home, then blames the club/bartender for getting him drunk. The guys need to contol their own actions. Its called personal responsibility. Just my 2 cents.

I treat my friends well and don't clock watch so we generally go over time. I want them to know I enjoy being with them, b/c in reality I do enjoy their company, but it's time to reconsider not clock watching and OTC when it becomes expected and they never pay for a longer date b/c they pay for a shorter one assuming it'll run long.

The worse is when a guy posts about OTC treatment on the boards or in reviews, b/c it creates expectations for new clients.

Going forward, I'll watch the clock w/ all new clients and not offer OTC time. It's a poor business practice. If they want more time, they can pay for it.

I think you're making a good move to start watching the clock. I hope it works for you too.

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b/c of this. It's too many emails for too many friends when some of them only book quarterly but want to shoot the breeze over email all the time.

Unfortunately, many clients are not so well-informed and considerate as those of you who have replied.

I have a regular who has 40+ reviews and has seen even more girls. I met him long ago. He REALLY THINKS I should not charge him for any time over 1 hour (I'm not talking an hour or two here or there, I'm talking about an entire day trip or overnight). He asked me to travel to him 2 hours (each way) and spend the whole day w/him for less than my 1-hour rate. He was highly offended when I refused. I tried to explain that while I valued him as a person (which is true), this is *how I make my living* and I can't spend all that time/travel at the detriment of my other responsibilities. No dice. He called me cold.

I wish I could say that he is the only client who has given me such issues. But it's FAR from the truth. More men just don't get it than otherwise.

Some people really try to take advantage as much as they can. Some people think this is 'monopoly money' or that we're mall brats and just want a Gucci purse. Some people just really think they are that special.

There is no way to make such a client 'get it', sometimes you either have to make a decision to either deal w/the BS or not (meaning, to cut them loose). I guarantee this guy will make every effort to keep you extra time and he sounds experienced enough to know better. So you will continue to be frustrated by him IF you see him again. Is it worth the $ to you or not?

You should change because one inconsiderate individual?

I want to add that in all cases, my OTC time with these few Favorites...  we've been dressed.  Play time was over.  As much as we enjoy our play, we are 'friendly aquaintances', nothing more.  I fully understand they have a business to run.  We are passing time when she is not booked...  and yes, they tend to their business with me there.  If it's time for me to go, they speak up & I'm gone & yes it has happened.  No regrets.      

Exactly. You pay for the mind f*ck along with your alphabet soup.

I'm friendly with quite a few providers, but end of the day I never forget I'm a trick. I stay in my lane and play the position.

Posted By: ChgoCPA

P4P...and being paid for in time increments.  It's not rocket science.

But in all walks of life you have those that feel entitled...and the OP's john is one of them.  

It's fairly easy to identify that type of behavior...and even easier to avoid.

But to equate that the hookers providing a GFE is an issue...bullshit on that noise.  That's what most johnnie boys are paying for.  If all they want is a rub and tug...plenty of that out there at much lower prices.  

Posted By: EdrienneCole

As that scene was never one I was involved with, even 9 years ago...

I'm not sure I'd let guys off the hook so easily as saying the "Gfe thing has deluded" them. To me, that smacks of a lack of personal responsibility - a trait of which you and I are both fans.  They are grown ass men who know exactly (or should, and if not, don't have the requisite brain power to play this game) what they are doing. They know they're on a clock. They know we try to make the GFE as real as possible.  To say we've so successfully deluded them that they can't help but think running over time is ok, is *about* the same as saying we all need to wear burkahs for fear that men won't be able to control themselves and rape random women on the street. Simply ludicrous. The men who think this way are nothing more than passive aggressive manipulators and deserve to be handled as such.

The gents that have replied to the thread seem to understand this... If a man does not, it's on HIM... Not us and our "salesmanship".

Don't you all know there's no such thing as "NOT being a clock watcher."  You are ALWAYS on the clock.  Even with the so-called "clock free" date, you're on the clock.  So, when I read that a lady is not a clock watcher, I consider that an outright lie, and take it into consideration of whether or not to contact her.  There are other lies ladies tell, but this is one of the first and foremost.

I agree with you. And from the other perspective I can say as a guy that GFE can sometimes be very confusing as well. There is a lady I see that I really like. She has extended an offer of friendship outside our business relationship and this offer was readily accepted. However, the very nature of GFE leaves me always with a little doubt in the back of my head, is this possibly an extended play on her GFE experience to keep me as a client? When the BCD and initial relationship is based on an act if that relationship does ever have the potential to evolve it can really screw with your mind!

I don't think you are understanding that I am not blaming "the provider" lol. I am saying quite simply, that back in the day it was very rare for a client to fall for a provider at the escalated rate, we see today ever since GFE started coming into play. We are splitting hairs here...providers who are so good at their job, they make guys actually believe they LOVE THEM, not just "like them" are what the problem is. It is one thing to say you enjoy your job, but to delude vulnerable, desperate, attention starved men into thinking they have a future with you just to get another dollar, is absurd.

You can be a gfe provider, without being a fraud...I do it all the time. When I first started, there was no kissing, msog, or any of the GFE bs, we see today, and guess what...not ONE stalker, or puppy dog issue. Now, I have a new psycho every other month it seems, and it's certainly not because I am some fragile flower telling him what he wants to hear.

So no, I offer a GFE EXPERIENCE, and guys looking for anything more, need a reality check. "Taking the good with the bad," is not what I signed up for, and believe me...I have gotten pretty good at picking the guys I will now spend time with based on how pathetic and needy they come across on these boards. This is precisely why I love guys like CPA, when others think he is an ass. Well, an ass puts me in no danger of being a victim of yet another guy, who just does not fkin get it!

Honest mistakes happen babe, and we were all new at one time. I had a few guys mention OTC time in my reviews as well, but hopefully, those seeking my services won't just ASSume,  I do that for everyone. I think if a guy is clear about the fact that he is a REGULAR who has earned certain perks, it makes it obvious that she won't do that for just anyone...especially, a guy she has never met.

So, that's all we ask. If you do want to praise a provider for her offerings, make sure to say it is only because you've been seeing her for a while, and others should not expect the same perks until they have "put into the system" bwahahhaa.

Damn girl. So much anger...

Wow...you are the one he labels as "cold" yet he couldn't care less about your bills not getting paid, as long as he can get his rocks off. What a douche. It's guys like that who give bs reviews when a provider refuses to see their asses for FREE! I hope you told him to get fked, because I will be happy to tell him for you.

It is a very delicate line easily stepped over by both provider and hobbyist. She may like spending time with you and spend OTC time with you as well. The two of you click for some reason, make each other laugh and just have fun.
the same is true for the hobbyist. While the original fun started as P4P, and still is, the OTC  can cloud things a little and can become confusing. You have to understand that while she enjoys your company more than the others, she still has to make money. You can only be available when she wants you there, and you cannot pout when she can't be there when you want her especially if she has the opportunity to make money..
If you listen to these women that seem so cold hearted, they are not really, but they know in the long run you will both end up hurt in some way.
It's good advice to enjoy your time but don't get to wrapped in. These are great ladies treat them with respect.

MM

Agreed, giving guys those extra 15 minutes, occasionally 30 minutes, builds great loyalty and will enhance your reviews/reputation.  After 5-10 minutes extra, a guy should be looking to leaving, staying longer only if you implore him to.  If a guy doesn't get the hint, just tell him your next appointment will be there shortly - few, if any guys want to run into another.  

I usually don't deal w/ppl like him (who only book 1 hr and think that just gets you in the door), but it's hard to cut him off bc of his feelings. I've tried (not profitable for me and he is too demanding physically), but he gets genuinely sad and upset, and gives me a huge guilt trip! He really is a nice man tho, retired from a difficult job he handled w/a lot of patience and compassion, and he volunteers his time now. He really just doesn't understand the realities of this as a business. He believes everything every girl tells him and thinks we all do this for enjoyment. He has told me about all the other girls he sees, who left their corporate jobs for love of sex. He is told so many times that his wife doesn't know what she's missing (or I think he tells girls that and they agree) that he really believes it and reiterates the same to me. I've gone to lunch and dinner OTC w/this client before, but I thought he understood more about the role of being a client...and the concept of 'I take care of you, you take care of me, we're both happy'...apparently not.

That's the thing, some of these guys just assume that different rules apply to them bc we're "cool", or they do the old "give 'em an inch they'll take a mile" routine. This guy isn't the first to do that, and he won't be the last.

That's one of the reasons I actually LIKE board guys as clients sometimes. They understand how a great rapport/great sex and business can live side by side, and they aren't so infernally offended at being called the 'C' word -> CLIENT.

There are certain types I refuse to deal with, and never will. The ones I named are among them.

to providers who are literally staring at the clock, book back to back appts. thus rushing you out, who waste time to burn up yours, and who are expecting you to leave BEFORE your time is up. A woman giving you the TIME YOU AGREED to pay for, and being somewhat cognitive of that time, is not a clock watcher. The term was invented to describe women who rush and only offer one pop, then kick a guy out. If a woman is doing her job, she's not a clock watcher...she gave you EXACTLY the time you agreed to hire her for.

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That didnt sound good. Are you saying he threatens you or am I reading that wrong? In either case "nice" men dont put guilt trips on decent people like yourself. And dont believe everything he is telling you either. He might just know what buttons of your to push for him to get all the extra time he has been getting. This guy sounds like a total a-hole & user and you should really think long and hard about cutting him loose asap.

Didn't mean that at all. Just too 'demanding' for my taste, is all. He has never hurt me and would be horrified at the thought, nothing like that. I am a bit of a Miss Priss...he makes me feel 'worked' and I don't care for that feeling, when the $$ isn't there. He wants nothing extreme and nothing that isn't on my menu, but sometimes I don't always feel like offering it, especially as I said when he's paying less $$ than someone who takes me out to eat for 3 hrs and is easier in bed. So that's just my Miss Priss attitude, but it is what it is.

I have told him in that past that it won't work any longer, and he gets genuinely upset. He's a sweet man. He really likes me and is just upset that I would tell him 'no mas' like it's nothing to me. So of course looking at it from his viewpoint, I feel guilty. I do really admire him as a person and I do like him, just not really as a client. He is NOT a good client for me (as my example showed). For someone else, he'd be a stellar client.

What I'm trying to say is that he just doesn't GET it. I'm sure that he was just as floored that I refused his day/overnite trip as I was to have been asked. I know his feelings were hurt. You see, he thought it would be such FUN for me! That's what I'm getting at here. Some guys just really don't get the BUSINESS aspect of it, they really do think that we are really their quasi-GF's and that they just have to give us a wee bit of $ as kind of an admission fee.

He makes you feel uncomfortable and you shouldnt be worried about his feelings at this point. You have done everything you can and then some. Imo, you need to cut this guy loose or he is going to think all that stuff you told him about it being a business was bs and that you really are into him. just my 2 cents.

At one point I told him I wouldn't be able to see him anymore due to rate increase, because I honestly thought he wouldn't pay my new rate. He had said as much to me one time. So if he doesn't get it after "I'm sorry, but I can no longer see you unless you pony up xtra bucks" then WTF can I do to 'make' him get it. LOL.

The thing I am trying to say it..NO grasp on reality from some ppl. No matter what you tell them.

Really - there is NO way to make them get it if rational thought doesn't make them get it already. There are a lot out there who don't get it and never will, although I've met less and less of that type as I get smarter (I hope). But as for him, I guess I've just kinda accepted that I'm stuck with him. Not all clients are ideal, in any job, right? I guess I just want to be nice here and I guess I really do feel that sometimes it's important to just make someone happy w/o being so mercenary. He's a good person who contributes a lot to the world, and unfortunately he's also a clueless hobbyist who thinks he's King Cock in bed.

when I 1st came in over 10yrs ago  NOT being a Clock Watcher meant that the lady would lay back and enjoy her time with you and you would always get your time booked.  It didn't mean you would get extra time, it meant that the old school way of booking which is one and done(if you finished after 30min into a 1hr you were expected to leave) was not in place with this lady.  She would make you feel as if your time were free flowing even when it needed to end.

NOW people use it in terms of how long a lady will continue after time is up.  Personally I don't stay over by much for the same reasons the originator notes.  The guys get comfy and expect it every time and that just isn't fair.  Plus word does get around if you are in fact a "camper" and your ability to visit with some of those you wish to can be hindered in much the same way a NCNS or shorting a provider can...  

Good luck to the Original poster I hope you figure out something that works for you.  Me, I use CD's to help me gage time in case I start to loose track or don't want to look at the clock

Only you can determine if his pluses outweigh his minuses. The one troubling thing I keep getting from you though is that you would really prefer him not to be your client. It seems, and I want to stress the words "seems" for I do not know, that he is bullying you to see him. Not bullying you in the common sense, like you see on the news about kids at school, but bullying you by dumping his guilt on you. Either way, imo, he is emotionally bullying you into doing what he wants. You are certainly not "stuck" with him. It just seems he is taking advantage of a very, very nice lady in yourself and frankly, I dont see a "good person" there in the form of this guy, but you know another side to him I dont. Best of luck with that and all the men you encounter. Blue.

But it's a pretty common issue. It's never easy to reject a client when his feelings are involved. When he's a monster, it's one thing, but when it's just a matter of taste....harder to justify.

We don't always get to enjoy every date, sometimes we really do suffer through it no matter how nice/clean/respectful the guy is. I'd say it's just part of the job. Things don't always come up roses in the garden of ass My only gripe w/this particular dude is that our hobby expectations don't mesh (as I detailed in the first post). I wanna get paid well for my time and nastiness, he just assumes it's 'mutually enjoyable' which it obviously isn't (total lack of attraction on my part) and so thinks he only has to pay a token minimum. There are lots of clients out there w/the same thoughts, too, he isn't the only one. The power of self-delusion has been noted on these boards, and IMO, [-- most of -- ] you guys who post here are actually much more self-aware in this regard than the average client.

Anyway for the OP, I'd just say she has two options. 1) See him and bear w/the fact that he's gonna squeeze for free time, or 2) Say 'GFY'

Sometimes, money is everything, we as a couple, it may be different, but like to see less people, and spend time more time with them.  Truly no clockwatchers, just truly enjoy the time being spent.  Friendship has its perks...