my wife had a routine pap smear which showed her to be positive for HPV.    Can any hobbyists with medical knowledge answer these questions:

1.  Is HPV dangerous for her?
2.  should I get myself tested?
3.  I hobby safely, always covered.   Is it still likely she got it from me?
4.  Is there another form transmission other than sexual contact (assuming my wife does not hobby or has had an affair)?
5.  any other logical explanations that I can offer to her?

Count your blessing this new year & br happy she doesn't have hiv

It is entirely possible that your wife has been carrying for years without knowing...

Bad news for you...whether you introduced it to her through a provider, or she came to you with it...there is a high likely-hood that you now have it...get yourself tested.

In the outside world, 50% of people have HPV infections. With hobbyist and providers, it might be near 100% since there is DFK, DATY and BBBJ mentioned in the hobby!

Please consult a qualified medical professional.

This link should answer your questions.

There's a reasonable certainty that she got it from you, and sadly no way for you to have known it, since as Businesses stated there is no male test.

You should be responsible and use a condom for everything and abstain from daty if you ever see another provider.

A condom does NOT 100% protect one from transmitting/passing HPV. Many have 0 signs or symptoms, & either one of you could have had it for years, & not known. Although, until recently, a woman was supposed to have a PAP smear every year(now it's every 3, unless the woman has had an abnormal PAP in the last 5 yrs), so if she has been timely with her medical appts, & did not previously have an abnormal PAP, then this is recently transmitted.

A reality check is necessary here.  As can be seen on the CDC web site, HPV is SO COMMON, and since most men don't even know they have it, it is easily passed on.  Condoms don't prevent it, so the very first time you have sex with woman, you can get HPV from her if she has it.  It has no symptoms in many people.   Years later, your partner can find out she has HPV, and blame you.  But unless she never had sexual contact with anyone other than you, there's no way of knowing who transmitted it to whom.

How many of us have HPV?
The Centers for Disease Control has postulated that at least 80% of sexually active women will have evidence of an HPV infection by age 50 (CDC, 2004). In one study of 1,921 women, the presence of current HPV was almost 28%. These US women aged 14-59 years gave self-collected tissue samples using foam swabs which were then tested for the presence of HPV DNA. Among sexually active women, the likelihood of having current HPV depended upon age:

  It's pretty common among sexually active women, there are at least 40 different strands and can remain dormant for years, if not forever in some cases. You could have been a carrier from the time of your first sexual encounter its really hard to say.

those are some scary stats.

Are you an MD "tonightoutcall"?

And even assuming, by some farfetched reality, that you are an actual medical doctor, would not the fact that you are offering medical advice,  on a poon board, based on unsubstantiated second hand info provided by the OP about his wife, put you in some direct line of fire in regards to responsible professional behavior?

Howabout we direct this guy and his wife to a real DR for some accurate and useful advice?

a long time. several years ago. I expected to get those warts. But Woo Hoo it never happened.
I don't even know what became of her.
Yeah, she told me about it afterwards

It never ceases to amaze me the kinds of questions people will ask others here about stuff we have no clue about.

All they did was post some shit most likely copied from the CDC website.
Where's the offered "medical advice"?
There is none.

Maybe you just haven't gotten your controversy fix recently and are just trying to start some?

How about you direct yourself to the bathroom and dump the shit out of your system?

and if you didn't then you sure as hell can't get mad at her if she went barking up another tree.

Go easy

Please don't panic.  There are man innocent explanations. There are a few things we should all know:
There are 40+ types of HPV.  You can prevent having any of them by never having sex (or deep kissing) with anyone.  (Have a nice life.)
HPV can live for a long time (many years) in women without symptoms so while your wife got it by sexual transmission it was not necessarily from you.  It can also live undetected in men for a long time.  You can not get tested incidentally because there is no test fir men.  You do probably have it.
It is transmitted by intercourse --anal or rectal-- and by DATY (or DATO)  
The complications are rare but the ones most feared are: HPV related oral cancers-HPV related cervical cancers- genital warts.  
I favor vaccinations for everyone in an attempt to make the most dangerous varieties extinct or at least are.  
It is likely that a majority of women and an unclear large number of men will have at least one HPV infection in their lives.  
There are many ways this could have happened and you should not be responsible for coming up with an explanation, her physician should explain to her that this could have happened and you can both be innocent of any infidelities.  Her physician should begin with this assumption in talking to her.  
Tho you should not act guilty by scrambling around for an innocent explanation (that is up to her physician, you are as mystified as she is); for your knowledge: go to a physician whom you can trust, sit down and discuss your situation (how long you have been married, her history and yours, and ask him/her for alternative explanations as to how she might have gotten this).  There is a danger in using your family or regular physician: this could be recorded in your medical records.  One way to cover this is to see an infectious disease specialist or another physician who you will not see again and whose visit you do not mention to anyone else so it won't matter what he or she writes in your records.  

Sure, it's possible SHE is sleeping around...women are not stupid, and you are doing the same thing, but me thinks it is more likely you gave it to her. Yes, some strains of HPV are very common and have mild symptoms that don't include warts, but either way...you need to stop hobbying and alert every woman in your 20 reviews, so they too can take better precautions.

It is only transmitted sexually, so you won't be talking your way out of this one.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv.htm

I'm not a dotor; just copied and pasted a stat from the CDC site. The bottom comment is directly from my doctor during a yearly STD screening. If you have health concerns see a doctor, the CDC has a ton of info posted on their site though if you are curious about what you have going on without waiting to see a doctor, you can get some information to easy your mind.

Puss Yellow looks good on you.....even though you're the pot trying to call the kettle black.

I admire that you're so obsessed with me, ButtMuncher, but you should buy insurance for that glass house before you start throwing stones.

You may now go back to living for every board you can find, and posting like explosive diarrhea.
lol

His only existence on these boards is to basically dissent.  I can't remember a post where he actually answered the question or added any value.

You just caught my attention because you are a douchebag that doesn't even bother trying to offer help.

But then again, there are morons like you everywhere.  You just happened to catch my attention because you were the ones popping up my threads recently.

I will add that it is beyond stupid to be broadcasting this shit because now the 20 women he has reviewed, are going to be blackballed if anyone assumes they also have HPV. I have sent the thread link to a few of them, because hello...they kind of need to KNOW! He should have used an alias for this post and then contacted the women he has been with in the past. Luckily though, now everyone knows to avoid HIM.

... that's a great line!!

Serpius

Posted By: DirtyDaego

How about you direct yourself to the bathroom and dump the shit out of your system?

not playing with a full deck.

that there are no doctors among us here....a MORON! The number one profession I cater to are Lawyers, with Doctors being second. So, you are the only one who is short of anything...brain cells to start.

Fact 2..He just ADMITTED PUBLICLY that he probably has HPV and his wife DEFINITELY has it, yet he has made no mention of what he is going to do about it as far as hobbying goes. Be a big boy and use your handle instead of an alias...p*ssy. I certainly don't need to hide to tell you what a dumb ass you are.

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posts, and you say I don't offer any feedback? You're high, so brush up on your reading. I offer feedback and call out stupidity at the same time. Sorry, you can't multitask as good as some of us lol. Do a search on my past posts, and you will find a wealth of information that I have offered...to newbies and vets alike. You're just some insecure nut job too chicken shit to post under your real handle. What does that make you? What have YOU offered to this thread as far as solutions go? Not a damn thing sparky!



This was my FIRST reply to this thread....looks like sound reasoning to me. Thanks for playing.

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=566308&boardID=12&page=1#566308

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Thank you to Business, Outcall Tonight, and Dr. Joe who steered me to the CDC website and gave me real information and some practical advice.   This is the beauty of these boards - not a replacement for true medical advice but to have other experienced hobbyists steer you in the right direction and act as a sounding board for how worried you should be when something like this comes up.

The good news is that I am not too worried, which should help any hobbyists and providers who are in the same situation.   I have talked to the 2 of the last 3 providers I have been with and both said they have been tested since they saw me and are fine.    Does that mean I don't have HPV?  Unfortunately no, but here is what I have learned from the CDC website and 2 blogs by OB GYNs who are specialists in HPV:

- HPV is an infection, not a disease.   It is so common (75-80% of adults will have the virus sometime  before they are 50), that most GYN exams for women under 30 don't even bother screening for it because it is assumed most women (and men) have one of the 40 strains of HPV before they are 26.

- there can be as many as 100 strains of HPV and most are harmless.   It can be in your system but you may never show any symptoms for decades and your body can fight it off in 2-3 years (and I assume like a cold virus you can get it again but I am still researching that part).

- There are 15 strains that can lead to cervical cancer in women.   Much more common are the strains that cause genital warts (which are fully treatable).   The CDC website says only 1% of sexually active men exhibit genital warts so I assume the genital wart strains are not that prevalent either.

- HPV is transmitted by skin-on-skin contact with genitalia.  That means intercourse is not required, nor is even BBBJ, or DATY.    HPV can be transmitted by naked fondling and there is some data even suggesting transmission just thorugh DFK!   Therefore most of us probably contracted HPV in high school, even as virgins.   The CDC says total abstinence (including no kissing) is the only prevention,   good luck with that.   Married couples who were both virgins when they met are at the lowest risk but even that is not a guarantee (eg: if either of them ever made out with someone who had 2 or more sex partners).

- since the CDC says the virus can lay dormant for decades, there is no way to tell for certain when or with whom you contracted the virus.    Let's face it,  all of us have at least one HPV strain, its just a question of do we have the genital wart strain or the cervical cancer strain that is dormant in our bodies.   Like most of you, I show no symptoms and probably never will.   The CDC website clearly states that HPV transmission is not a function of promiscuity nor can any monogamous woman testing positive assume infidelity (whew)!

- my wife has tested positive for the cervical cancer strain that came up after she had an abnormal pap smear.   It is possible it has been in her system for decades, has been sitting on her cervix and is only now causing abnormal pap smear results (the science is not clear on how long or why certain strains incubate on the cervix).   However,  false positives pap smears are very common so I am crossing my fingers that my wife does not have cervical cancer.   If she does, it progresses very slowly and is treatable.    The stats on cervical cancer are 15,000 women a year are diagnosed and 4,000 women/year die of cervical cancer, which are small numbers compared to breast cancer.  Not to make light of any type of cancer but my wife has a higher chance of being in a fatal car accident than contracting or dying of cervical cancer.

- Some strains do lead to oral, throat or anal cancer but the the data shows that oral/throat has a coincidence with smoking (i.e. can not infer that HPV causes oral cancer).     The CDC advises men-on-men sex partners to get tested for anal cancer so take that for what you will (I infer that means it is not a risk for hetero men and women).

So that is what I have learned so far.    Feel free to comment but I the main thing I have learned from this is that HPV is not an STD.  Its is an STI (infection).    Its a virus, so its not treatable but neither is it a permanent disease.   Its like a cold virus, always in your body but manifests itself when your immune system is weakened.   It can potentially be more malicious than a cold, but your body can fight it off as well.  The stigma of HPV should not be the same as HIV or a true STD like herpes or chlamydia.   Safe sex can protect you from STDs but HPV is something we all have to live with.   I don't know about you but I am going to put more energy into  losing weight and getting my cholesterol under control than worrying about the health risks from HPV.

Thank you Outcall Tonight  for the unbiased data.   I'm sorry you got so much grief just for trying to help out a fellow hobbyist.    I can confirm your numbers from the CDC website and much more, including misconceptions of what HPV is and how it is transmitted.   I summarized my research (so far) in a post below.    I learned alot about what exactly HPV is (not as scary as I thought) and how it is transmitted (sexual contact, even through DFK) meaning we all probably have one of the HPV strains even before we started hobbying (don't worry, most of the strains are benign).    Read my post below for more details.

Thanks for researching and posting the detailed info on HPV.    Dr. Joe noted that HPV can be transmitted through oral sex - DATY.    The CDC site states that STD's are also transmitted through anal, vaginal, and oral sex.    

San Diego California (PRWEB) August 31, 2012
Progressive Health Services, leaders in STD and HIV testing in San Diego, Los Angeles, and throughout Southern California, concurs with the CDC’s recent report that transmission of sexually transmitted diseases is common through oral sex.