People have many different and varying opinions on the subject of group parties (i.e. orgies).
I am in the "pro" group, having participated in quite a few and even organized some myself. I have never seen anything bad happen at these parties. Matter of fact, with the right mix of like minded people, it can be downright great.
While I understand that this is a "to each his/her own" activity, which side of the fence do you fall on?
I am not asking if this depends on who will be there, what the donation is, etc. (hoping to avoid all those "it depends on" type questions). I am simply wondering how many people, both male and female, are into this type of activity.
To each his own, but for me I have absolutely zero interest in being in the same room with another naked man. No MFM, no gangbangs, no orgies for me. I won't even watch porn with males in it. However, if it was an orgie with me and a bunch of females, I could go for that. 
Whatdafuck did you do in High school gym class when it was time to ‘shower-up’ before your next class?
At least now I understand why there are so many girl on girl (lesbian) DVD's.
What ever floats your boat; but your "phobia" is dramatically limiting your opportunities.
Posted By: perfectstorm
To each his own, but for me I have absolutely zero interest in being in the same room with another naked man. No MFM, no gangbangs, no orgies for me. I won't even watch porn with males in it. However, if it was an orgie with me and a bunch of females, I could go for that.
I agree with PS, I have a rule where it comes to sex;Only one dick in the bed, MINE.
I will admit that I have had a foursome once in my life where I only interacted with two of the women. The fourth person was an outright lesbian, not a bi bone in her body, but I had "stolen" one of her GF's a couple of years back, and she really wanted to fuck my GF at the time, so we arranged for her, my GF and a provider to join us, and she got to return the favor. It was sort of like a MFMF situation, but there was only one person with a dick, ME. lol
I don't go quite so far as PS in not watching porn with males in it, but truth be told, I don't watch much porn in the first place. No phobias here, just my personal preference, and given that there are well over three BILLION women in the world, I don't find my opportunities limited in the slightest.
Great. So someone doesn't want to rub balls with some sweaty fatass bad breath ugly pirate and they're a homophobe. Nice. Don't remember the HS gym three ways back in my day. Someone doesn't like or think as you do and they're a homophobe and stupid for limiting their opportunities lol. And I bet you're tolerant and inclusive in your political views too?
Posted By: GhostWriteroftheDamned
Whatdafuck did you do in High school gym class when it was time to ‘shower-up’ before your next class?
At least now I understand why there are so many girl on girl (lesbian) DVD's.
What ever floats your boat; but your "phobia" is dramatically limiting your opportunities.
Posted By: perfectstorm
To each his own, but for me I have absolutely zero interest in being in the same room with another naked man. No MFM, no gangbangs, no orgies for me. I won't even watch porn with males in it. However, if it was an orgie with me and a bunch of females, I could go for that.
I happen to have some gay friends. I did some work for them. I've had lunch and dinner with them. I have hung out with them. I have a gay cousin I get along with very well. And even a TS cousin I just found out about two years ago. Have no issues with them. How does that make me homophobic? I just have a preference not to see dicks! I try not to judge others and said "to each his own" but you sure were quick to judge and "label" me.
Oh and if you must know, I never had to do the community shower thing in HS.
As for limited opportunities, there's a million things on my bucket list I'll never get to do because of finances or other reasons. I don't see not doing something I have no interest in as a limited opportunity.
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I think can live with that
I also have no desire to be in the same room with naked fat women, or naked old women, but I have friends and relatives who are women and either fat, old or both. I guess that makes me severely Gerontophobic and obesophobic and limits my opportunities! 
more lost opportunities. lol
I've also never been fucked by the donkey in TJ, but somehow I can live with that fact as well.
Such a big world out there, and so many missed opportunities. lmao
I don't have a "fear" of other naked men in my bed, It's just not something that I ever have the slightest intention or desire of trying.
Getting fucked in the ass by a donkey, while the thought of it doesn't keep my up at night, could definitely scare the fucking shit out of me if it ever looked like it could possibly happen to me. So yes, i guess I am jackassaphobic lol
You're a total asshat just stop pleas
GG I'm with you ! I've attended a couple of group parties. I show up with a hot chick and the others are fat ugly gals ! Geez kinda dampens the spirits somewhat !
There is also kind of a big difference between limp dicks in a gym shower and a bunch of hard-ons at an orgy. I've been to a couple, and will probably do more, plus an MFM or three, but being close to another guy's hard-on is something to deal with. And has zero to do with homophobia. Here is Ron White's view on the matter
My aren't we defensive? "I have gay friends" HAHAHAHAHA
Posted By: perfectstorm
I happen to have some gay friends. I did some work for them. I've had lunch and dinner with them. I have hung out with them. I have a gay cousin I get along with very well. And even a TS cousin I just found out about two years ago. Have no issues with them. How does that make me homophobic? I just have a preference not to see dicks! I try not to judge others and said "to each his own" but you sure were quick to judge and "label" me.
Oh and if you must know, I never had to do the community shower thing in HS.
As for limited opportunities, there's a million things on my bucket list I'll never get to do because of finances or other reasons. I don't see not doing something I have no interest in as a limited opportunity.
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Kind of like George Costanza from Seinfeld pushing himself on a black family to befriend him to prove he wasn't racist.
Then again, how does one prove, he is not racist or homophobic?
So it was a weak argument but it is a statement of facts.
Yours and others reticence toward another male in an otherwise strictly heterosexual setting/activity simply stems from an acute "phobia".
Having friends or business associates who are of minority groups does not necessarily exempt one from being a racist.
I passed no judgment as too right or wrong; but simply said that "opportunities" could/would be precluded because of said "phobia".
Posted By: perfectstorm
I happen to have some gay friends. I did some work for them. I've had lunch and dinner with them. I have hung out with them. I have a gay cousin I get along with very well. And even a TS cousin I just found out about two years ago. Have no issues with them. How does that make me homophobic? I just have a preference not to see dicks! I try not to judge others and said "to each his own" but you sure were quick to judge and "label" me.
Oh and if you must know, I never had to do the community shower thing in HS.
As for limited opportunities, there's a million things on my bucket list I'll never get to do because of finances or other reasons. I don't see not doing something I have no interest in as a limited opportunity.
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As otherwise wise posters have said in this forum sexual intimacy is unlike anything else we do on a daily basis. I guarantee you will not find a more liberal son of a bitch on this board than me but that liberalism extends to freedom of choice in this unique aspect of our lives. I love watching two women have sex--preferably at a distance of one foot or less--but I'll be damnen if I'm going to call someone a name because that's just not their thing. Adults make choices and not always because of some bad intent.
You're confusing(or associating) "homophobic" with "Gay Bashing".
You guys are running around trying to prove how un-homophobic you are while simultaneously strutting about like a peacock at how unwaveringly heterosexual you are. It's like a contest where the household with the most Christmas lights is deemed the most religious.
[["Whatdafuck did you do in High school gym class when it was time to ‘shower-up’ before your next class?
At least now I understand why there are so many girl on girl (lesbian) DVD's.
What ever floats your boat; but your "phobia" is dramatically limiting your opportunities."]]
I mentioned a common, topical "Phobia"
I made mention of 'common showers' that are replete "high schools" and professional sports.
Popularity of girl on girl (lesbian) pornography.
Unprejudiced acceptance of personal tastes; but that some tastes may needlessly limit.
Why such ire and animus over benign observation?
I don't want a naked man in my bed either, but that hardly makes me a homophobe, it just means that I don't want to be looking at some guys hairy fucking ass when I am getting my groove on.
You might like it, fine. I don't, that should be fine too. If you are looking for the narrow minded person in this thread, sorry but you need to look in the mirror. My advice? You've already in a deep enough hole, stop digging.
Sorry, GWotD, but to the extent you think this is simply semantics I believe you are wrong. Here's Webster's definition:
ho·mo·pho·bia noun \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\
Definition of HOMOPHOBIA
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals
— ho·mo·pho·bic adjective
Sounds like homophobia and gay bashing or synonyms. And if you want some alternative definitions, here are a few from The Urban Dictionary. They confirm what I said above.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=homophobic
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not a sociopathic aberration.
I didn't berate or malign anyone; I simply implied removing ones self from an orgy/gang-bang simply because there are other males in the room limits otherwise possible heterosexual experiences. Too me they are no more homo-erotic or invitational to homosexuality than a high school, military, or NFL locker-room & shower.
And why the double standard?
Two, three or more woman together is fine; but for some gentlemen here the mere presence of a 'male' in pornographic media is repugnant?
Again; I'm not berating or debasing. I'm only commenting on the ironies and hypocrisies born of a “phobia”
Youre an arrogant ass. It's that simple.
Posted By: GhostWriteroftheDamned
not a sociopathic aberration.
I didn't berate or malign anyone; I simply implied removing ones self from an orgy/gang-bang simply because there are other males in the room limits otherwise possible heterosexual experiences. Too me they are no more homo-erotic or invitational to homosexuality than a high school, military, or NFL locker-room & shower.
And why the double standard?
Two, three or more woman together is fine; but for some gentlemen here the mere presence of a 'male' in pornographic media is repugnant?
Again; I'm not berating or debasing. I'm only commenting on the ironies and hypocrisies born of a “phobia”.
Simply that you used language carelessly, something everyone knows bothers me. That said, I think you were surprised at the reaction you got because perfectstorm has long been a poster here who has a history of reasonable and informed commentary. As a result he's got a lot of friends here, and they were more than willing to come to his defense when they thought he'd been jumped on unfairly.
I knew of no single word that describes revulsion in seeing another of your gender naked. And 'insecure in ones professed heterosexuality' was both loquacious and possibly far more damning.
I expressed benign opinion to another's. I didn't realize PS needed to be coddled with velvet soft gloves. I'll remember this if ever again I choose to question or engage him
I never said or suggested PS "needed to be coddled." He's perfectly able to take care of himself, as I think he's ably demonstrated. I was simply explaining he had friends here to give you the courtesy of explaining why so many jumped in on his side, because you seemed perplexed by the amount of heat you got. Well fuck me for my trouble, I guess. LOL!
Everybody came running like I stole the lollypop from a 7yo girls hand.
Posted By: GhostWriteroftheDamned
Everybody came running like I stole the lollypop from a 7yo girls hand.
If you are you're painfully ineffectual at it.
I assure you that I do not need to be coddled or handled with kid gloves! I also do not need my friends to come to my rescue. I just simply answered the OP's question with my thoughts on the matter, without judging anyone else. You replied with a judgemental post calling me "severely homophobic." I took offense to that. Many others did too obviously, and I don't think it was my "friends" backing me up. For a good example, look at rainbowcpa's posts on this thread. Apparently he thinks you and I are both asses! In any case, the fact that I have no desire to see other naked men (in person or on video) does not make me homophobic, just as the fact that some guys do enjoy that sort of thing does not make them gay! They are both ridiculous assumptions
Every individual here is entitled and encouraged to make adult choices based on their desires. So if I have no desire to have sex in the company of men I'm de facto a homophobe? You completely misunderstand the nature of choice. By your logic I MUST engage in every form of intimacy known or else risk being judged one type of bigot or another. So let me ask: when can we expect a note from you detailing the session wherein you got gang banged and pissed on and then hogtied and beaten? You wouldn't want us to think you're close-minded would you?
PS didn't come off as homophobic at all. Taking showers after gym class is a matter of hygiene. Trying to keep a hard-on in a crowded room full of people you aren't attracted to is a matter of arousal.
Besides, I don't think there are many gay guys out there who would be able to keep it up in a room full of naked women. In fact, I'd say a good 90% of my social circle is made up of gay men, and they get bummed out if I even talk about my vagina. I guarantee that that's not the result of any bigotry or fear.
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It sounds more like an ego trip - wanting to be the only (and hence the biggest) dick in the room. I've attended a few and wasn't intimidated by the other dicks - I was more intimidated by the fact that this was a real dear expense to me, whilst to most of the other dudes this was merely a room tip. So had wallet envy.
I didn't really notice other dicks except for the extremes - one dude had some serious real estate and another was barely two inches. To be honest I was more bothered by the little guy - were his feelings hurt seeing Mr. Gargantua? But he seemed well adjusted and as the old joke goes - The hooker looked at it and said "Who you gonna please with that?" To which the little guy said "Me!". So that all quickly passed and a good time was had by all.
I am not saying that just because you don't like group events that you are homophobic or any other type of phobic. I mean sure, anything is possible and homphobia is a valid reason some guys would avoid group sex. I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with that either. Just like its possible some guys are afraid of crowds or women in general and need to encounter them in smaller groups. I just didn't get that from these replies.
What I am saying is that from the posts I read, it seems that the guys who responded in the "con" group avoid group events because they are not the only dick in the room. Nothing wrong with being ego-centric about it - its totally natural to feel that way. On further reflection, I think that aversion comes from a desire to avoid conflict (I know - the irony of that on this board). For me at least I had to briefly overcome some lizard brain level competitiveness and desire to fight all the other males for rights to impregnate the entire harem of females. But, I'm barely human to begin with, so thats just me. Most of us are civilized humans - we can overcome the lizard brain and - well, milk the other lizard any way we want to.
And just to be clear, I have no problem with gay people anymore than I have a problem with somebody being scared of them. Its just not my job to fix it or even care about it as long as we're all getting along.
Posted By: GhostWriteroftheDamned
What ever floats your boat; but your "phobia" is dramatically limiting your opportunities.
yeah, your opportunity to s*ck c*ck and take it up the *ss.
I am personally not gay or bi or even curious, but I enjoy all kinds of porn, I'd very much like to be involved in a gang bang and or orgies. But I believe to each their own. It does sound like you are homophobic, but either way it's your choice.
I can wash it as fast as I want
more than 2 women at the same time. FMF is all this guy can handle..
After you add another female, I "think" I would start getting into law of diminishing returns. I would rather save the third one for another time. Also I am a one pop guy, so that kind of puts a damper on things.
Sure, I would be game... All it takes is a little imagination and knowing that we'll never meet again...
Are you offering up your wife? JK :
Give me a good threesome and I'm all set on group sex.
about the one we are planning in Vegas.
Posted By: fanoftheo
People have many different and varying opinions on the subject of group parties (i.e. orgies).
I am in the "pro" group, having participated in quite a few and even organized some myself. I have never seen anything bad happen at these parties. Matter of fact, with the right mix of like minded people, it can be downright great.
While I understand that this is a "to each his/her own" activity, which side of the fence do you fall on?
I am not asking if this depends on who will be there, what the donation is, etc. (hoping to avoid all those "it depends on" type questions). I am simply wondering how many people, both male and female, are into this type of activity.
Have been able to for 2 1/2 years now. Surprised that some people still don't know this.
Besides, you also could have just posted a link to one of the orgy ads.
A night I won't soon forget.
It happened only once right before entering 'this' world. And I had never been with anyone other than a 'single' guy prior this experience...hey go big or go home lol. It was an amazing Waldorf suite one evening and a natural connection with 3 gentlemen...a 56 yo, a 32 yo (OMG) and a 23 yo youngun whom I was introduced to thru a 'friend' at the time. Now before minds start assuming, this was not a gang bang by any means...come on, me? LOL. Hard to explain. Let's just say all eyes and 'attention' were on me at all times and yes each other as well (HOTT). A very upscale atmosphere, drinks, food etc etc. I was literally treated like a goddess 
One took the reigns, the youngun listened while the OMG was a sort of 'dominant' young man and did his 'own' thing lol. 2 were bisexual and the OMG was straight haha. Deff an interesting dynamic.
But a night I won't soon forget. Now the second time they asked me to play, I had just 'entered' this world literally before any appnts were booked so I figured why not....2 same players were there but the OMG wasn't, he was on vacation so there was a 'replacement'. Needless to say....I walked in, wasn't feeling it and walked right out. They tried their hardest to 'convince' me to stay. I'm like seeya......with a big smile on my face. Deff a different frame of mind. I'm like sorry guys hahaha. Can't do this now. That's when I realized it was time for me to only save myself for the guys in 'this' world from that point on..... it had a whole different twist on it after becoming officially part of this world.
Maybe the 56yo was Gambler hahahhahahahahahhaha, was that you GAG? LOL I think I just paid you a compliment, what's wrong with me.
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Number two, I am not 56 quite yet, but yes I will be there soon enough.
and number three, while I try not to criticize others for their sexual tastes (I find many other things to criticize people for) I would most certainly never be a part of a MMMF. I have done a FFMF before, but while I am far from a homophobe, I don't find a naked male body the least bit of a turn on. Actually I am quite the opposite, nothing will make me lose wood faster than looking at some guys hairy ass, but I try to judge those that enjoy this type of thing. Or at least I try not to be judgmental about it.
2 of them were basically gay. And it was hot watching them, not gonna lie. It was a different experience and definitely would take a 'guy into guys' in this sort of scenario. It was a lot of me and the OMG straight guy together etc etc. Now remember, don't judge, I didn't divulge into any details about what actually 'happened' on the date. It was just fun to be a 'part' of................I can only imagine where your minds all went hahahahahahahahahahha LMAO.
Banged by 3 dudes ? Yuk ...sorry but that's how I feel ...and I'd go with 2 maybe 3 girls but sorry old fashion as I do believe their is a double standard ....women want men , men don't want women what act like men ...either some get of or they don't ...as to your adventure ? Yeah ????
Posted By: TaylorSteele
A night I won't soon forget.
It happened only once right before entering 'this' world. And I had never been with anyone other than a 'single' guy prior this experience...hey go big or go home lol. It was an amazing Waldorf suite one evening and a natural connection with 3 gentlemen...a 56 yo, a 32 yo (OMG) and a 23 yo youngun whom I was introduced to thru a 'friend' at the time. Now before minds start assuming, this was not a gang bang by any means...come on, me? LOL. Hard to explain. Let's just say all eyes and 'attention' were on me at all times and yes each other as well (HOTT). A very upscale atmosphere, drinks, food etc etc. I was literally treated like a goddess
One took the reigns, the youngun listened while the OMG was a sort of 'dominant' young man and did his 'own' thing lol. 2 were bisexual and the OMG was straight haha. Deff an interesting dynamic.
But a night I won't soon forget. Now the second time they asked me to play, I had just 'entered' this world literally before any appnts were booked so I figured why not....2 same players were there but the OMG wasn't, he was on vacation so there was a 'replacement'. Needless to say....I walked in, wasn't feeling it and walked right out. They tried their hardest to 'convince' me to stay. I'm like seeya......with a big smile on my face. Deff a different frame of mind. I'm like sorry guys hahaha. Can't do this now. That's when I realized it was time for me to only save myself for the guys in 'this' world from that point on..... it had a whole different twist on it after becoming officially part of this world.
Maybe the 56yo was Gambler hahahhahahahahahhaha, was that you GAG? LOL I think I just paid you a compliment, what's wrong with me.
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words in my mouth BIB lol. I never ONCE said anything about getting 'banged' did I? NOPE. Maybe 'sex' as you know it didn't even happen.....one should never assume without all the 'details'. I gave no details except they paid an awful lot of 'attention' to 'yours truly'. I'll leave it at that..........now you can let your mind wander.
I wonder if Anderson Cooper and his boyfriend would invite me over to their home one evening hahahahhahaha. That could be hot.
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Let me get this , 3 , count em 3 guys oh fucked you ....and paid you for YOU ???? get real ...and that womens lib shit is bullshit !!! Caused NOTHING BUT TROUBLE FOR OUR SOCIETY !!!!! But keep living the dream .......your funnier than me !
Posted By: TaylorSteele
words in my mouth BIB lol. I never ONCE said anything about getting 'banged' did I? NOPE.
Maybe 'sex' as you know it didn't even happen.....one should never assume without all the 'details'. I gave no details except they paid an awful lot of 'attention' to 'yours truly'. I'll leave it at that..........now you can let your mind wander.
I wonder if Anderson Cooper and his boyfriend would invite me over to their home one evening hahahahhahaha. That could be hot.
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No, no guys fucked me, can't you read BIB? Geezk. This happened 'before' this gig and there WAS NO PAYMENT for anything anyway lol. Reread the posts will ya. Actually, nevermind, don't bother, it's obviously over your head again. I do try with you tho. But sometimes it is thus pointless.
Nky , curly CPA ,mt , PS ......she's hot to trot ....but remember ..its about her .....rotfflmao...again !
Posted By: TaylorSteele
No, no guys fucked me, can't you read BIB? Geezk. This happened 'before' this gig and there WAS NO PAYMENT for anything anyway lol. Reread the posts will ya. Actually, nevermind, don't bother, it's obviously over your head again. I do try with you tho. But sometimes it is thus pointless.
think my head would be spinning.....off.
Btw, this is a very common practice for NYC I found and especially the guys who have some serious 'cash'. It's a small world just like this world. They just don't do the P4P scene whatsoever. They don't feel the need to which is why I never brought it up with them, ever......plus they didn't need to know lol.
And who said anything about 3 guys eating my pussy lol...again assuming BIB LOL. You do make me giggle and you are indeed quite cookie cutter and predictable aren't thou lol.
Expand your mind a bit...................................
Happy New Year!!!
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Posted By: TaylorSteele
think my head would be spinning.....off.
Btw, this is a very common practice for NYC I found and especially the guys who have some serious 'cash'. It's a small world just like this world. They just don't do the P4P scene whatsoever. They don't feel the need to which is why I never brought it up with them, ever......plus they didn't need to know lol.
And who said anything about 3 guys eating my pussy lol...again assuming BIB LOL. You do make me giggle and you are indeed quite cookie cutter and predictable aren't thou lol.
Expand your mind a bit...................................
Happy New Year!!!
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You can't be serious LOL. "I'm done wit u" as (Vinnie) would say. What's in the air tonight, posts aren't going up, things are out of control it seems... that's all I know. Let's see if this one even goes up. Bizarro world in here this evening. I'll come back when things go back to 'normal' for the most part. Until then, try to reread the posts so you understand where I'm coming from..."go ahead don't be scared, shout it out when you have the answer".
It was MMFM but that doesn't mean MMFM .........yup that'S your story ..oh and you like gay porn ???
Posted By: TaylorSteele
You can't be serious LOL. "I'm done wit u" as (Vinnie) would say. What's in the air tonight, posts aren't going up, things are out of control it seems... that's all I know. Let's see if this one even goes up. Bizarro world in here this evening. I'll come back when things go back to 'normal' for the most part. Until then, try to reread the posts so you understand where I'm coming from..."go ahead don't be scared, shout it out when you have the answer".
And 2 of them were gay ?oh I'm rotfflmao ........gotcha ...get a handle and write that review ..the women's spoty is still in open race !
Posted By: TaylorSteele
words in my mouth BIB lol. I never ONCE said anything about getting 'banged' did I? NOPE.
Maybe 'sex' as you know it didn't even happen.....one should never assume without all the 'details'. I gave no details except they paid an awful lot of 'attention' to 'yours truly'. I'll leave it at that..........now you can let your mind wander.
I wonder if Anderson Cooper and his boyfriend would invite me over to their home one evening hahahahhahaha. That could be hot.
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weird lol. But I love watching 2 guys together, if they're hot of course. I also LOVE watching women. Women are the most beautiful creatures on the planet. Go figure. What does that make me besides weird?
Be nice please...............
Posted By: TaylorSteele
weird lol. But I love watching 2 guys together, if they're hot of course. I also LOVE watching women. Women are the most beautiful creatures on the planet. Go figure. What does that make me besides weird?
Be nice please...............
who finds 2 hot gay guys together....hott. You're a beyond homophobic guy, why would you even respond silly to this thread besides your normal silly nonsense. You can't possibly get it silly.
Certain fantasies turn out to be a bust when I've actually tried them, but the group parties have turned out better than imagined. Going to a party with beautiful women, where the small talk leads to immediate sexual gratification. Sometimes it's one-on-one, sometimes it's more than that. And I can fulfill my voyeristic fantasies, as well. Meeting the women in an opening cocktail hour, with their sexy dresses, knowing that the main event is minutes away, can really turn you on. And I find these events to be totally engaging. Yup...I'm definately on the "pro" side.
i doubt i could do adequately in front of many people, esp. men.
also, i don't know how i would be able to watch ladies i know get it on with some other dude.
conservative? not so much as just backward...but you can only work with the emotional matirx you grew into.
i tried a double once, me and two gorgeous women...had been with both of them man times separately, always resulting in great times.
with the two of them together, i was as effective as cooked spaghetti.
who knows, guess i just need extra focused attention. so be it.
