In the last couple of years here in NYC, and particularly post-pandemic, there's a rash of providers a bit different from what I'm used to -- in their 20s, college educated, living a hipster life in Bushwick or Crown Heights, social-media savvy, politically correct, frequently with artsy aspirations, charging in the $600 - 800/hr range for "GFE" and often averse to "review culture."  They're interesting and performance is good, but many don't offer real DFK -- they open their mouths, keep the tongue on the floor of the mouth, and when my tongue is finished wagging around in this void of their open mouths, close it with a smack.  I'm big on tongue action, and am surprised that women who'll do BBBJ won't really DFK.  To me, GFE was always code for, among other things, DFK.  Reminds me of the old, old days when SWs didn't kiss under any circumstances.  Anyone else notice this or have insights?  Would love to get provider input.

some people just dont know to kissssssssss

High dollar, with a ton of rules and upsells for everything.

But that seems to be the new norm nationally.  Prices going up but service going down, especially from newbies trying to make a quick fortune.  Same ole formula, hiring a photographer, take glam shots, and charge what established providers charge but without the service history and no reviews.  It must be working because enough novice mongers keep them in business.  I just inquired about seeing a lady who's rate is $600 for what she refers to as "Standard" service.  She does do GFE but if you want MSOG you'll have to upgrade to the "VIP" service which is $850. And with no MSOG, that's out of the question for me.  Never did I think I'd see providers charging as much to only offer one pop.  IMO that is ridiculous and of course I balked.  

just like any profession, there are those who enjoy it and understand the true value of their service and others that cant see past today and just want money for nothing.    i saw one very well done fancy elite looking website but her NO list was  NO  BBBJ, DATY, DFK, LFK, GREEK, BBFS, CIM, COF, SS, FIV, DATO,   ....      i mean whats left beside missionary with the girl staring at the ceiling !  

I stop, look her in the eye and say, "I didn't come here for customer kisses, I came here for boyfriend kisses."  It gets a laugh, and then a much better DFK.  

Nice idea!  Thanks, and I'll try it!

I know that for quite a while some ladies I knew stopped DFK during the pandemic. That's understandable and they, in turn, understood that I wouldn't be seeing them without DFK.

No truer words have been spoken.

Well meat and lumber have skyrocketed, why not pussy, LOL.

Being an older guy, I shy away from the 20 something girl because that's what they are, they're girls. A more mature women will probably get it and could be more relatable to your needs. But these 20 yo hipsters are looking for a fast buck for their next Louboutin . And these girls have a personal life and are getting hit on by alot of guys who fit the kinda guy who they can hang with. Hell, maybe she has a boyfriend or a "Friend". Based on your description of their kisses I would say that they're holding back. And not knowing your age, my guess is that alot of younger girls have a hard time getting passionate with someone who's their father or grandfathers age. And maybe, just maybe there isn't that attraction.
Some girls just aren't good actresses....

Good points.  Thanks.  

I think you mean DGFE, dirty old grandfather experience.

Wouldn't that be DOGE?

Hurray Turbay!