Pope,
Way to get right to the heart of the matter!
OP, Are you saying that a stressed workaholic hobbyist, who doesn't have anyone to open up to, shouldnt get the pleasure of a lil' pillow talk? Really?
Any whore that disclosed this personal information should rot in h-e-double-hockey-sticks!
But why do I keep attracting hobbyists in the wrong fields?!?!? I need one to help me short sell stocks! I want privileged info like that! LOL. j/k to all SEC members!
That's why I don't ever let on that I'm the Pope.
(Nobody remember that last item, OK?)
I have a few very high profile clients. Im sure there are many more that I dont know about.
I find it funny how some of them told me exactly who they are and what they do-- before we even met in person!
Others, I've known for years-- and they are still sticking to their story that they're just a poor, struggling businessman. (Little do they know, some providers actually read Forbes and watch CNBC lol!)
Also, I once met a dean of an ivy league university. I was kind of shocked that he felt so comfortable telling me this during screening. Why would a person in such a sensitive position feel so comfortable telling a provider who he is? Especially when I didnt even ask?
Guys, be careful. There are some less than reputable providers out there looking to sell a story and make a quick buck at the expense of your life, livelihood, and professional reputation.
I dont want to see any nice guys go down like Tiger Woods.
-Honest Provider
Interesting....
Quite frankly I fall in the category of being well known in my urban playground but I'm not going to contact somebody and provide my information unless I'm comfortable with the provider in the first place...
I find it funny how some of them told me exactly who they are and what they do-- before we even met in person!
Others, I've known for years-- and they are still sticking to their story that they're just a poor, struggling businessman. (Little do they know, some providers actually read Forbes and watch CNBC lol!)
Also, I once met a dean of an ivy league university. I was kind of shocked that he felt so comfortable telling me this during screening. Why would a person in such a sensitive position feel so comfortable telling a provider who he is? Especially when I didnt even ask?
Guys, be careful. There are some less than reputable providers out there looking to sell a story and make a quick buck at the expense of your life, livelihood, and professional reputation.
I dont want to see any nice guys go down like Tiger Woods.
-Honest Provider
I appreciate how important discretion is for both sides, and we certainly need to be smart. Thank you for being candid. How can we hobbyists get providers comfortable w/ o verification? I'm already whitelisted TER , and RS2K, which seems to help.
Thank you for your question.
I personally don't care whether a guy gives me his real name or not. He can tell me his name is Dirty Sanchez for all I care. As long as the name he gives matches the name his references know him by, its all good.
I dont ask for employment info at all! I also "dont care" what he does for a living.
Some guys just volunteer the info.
If you're the CEO of a fortune 500 company, dont go around telling random providers! It is truly none of my business! After we know eachother and you trust me, tell me if you like, or dont.
The guys that Ive "found out" by seeing them on TV, I just chuckle and keep my mouth shut. And I respect them for being discreet.
So, your TER info, references, P411, etc should be good enough for a provider. If a lady needs your real name, DOB, employer, etc, I think thats just TMI to give. She certainly wont share that kind of personal info with you!!
You Talk way too much.
Do you think anyone cares or needs to know who you have seen except gossipy girls or their male equivalent ?
And you wonder why most of your johns tell you to shut up and start sucking.
Usually High Profile patron are much easier to screen that those who are not.
And discretion goes both ways ...
Lina
The Ivy League person you mention, guys like that spend a lot of time working, and going to college, and pretty much are married to their careers. Some may not have a very well rounded social life, so to them life may seem boring.
Providers open the gateway to an exciting undercover world. Seeing providers may be the only real social thing they do all week, so some naturally may just open, and start telling all their buisness.
Some high profile guys also see providers, because they don't wanna worry about getting a Civie or SO pregnant.
But if you got a high profile client, who's paying you well, keep your mouth shut, and dont ruin the gravy train.
What do you propose to proceed? Is there a more discrete verification process?
If you plan to play with more than one or two women a year, its probably worth it to sign up for a verification site.
THEY will verify your employment, discreetly, one time.
The girls wont ever see that information.
Or if you dont want to sign up on a verification site, just give out references or your TER handle during screening. I cant imagine any girl that would say, "Nope! I dont want references! I need your full name as it appears on your DL, your employer, your position, and your DOB."
Always think of the worst case scenario...
"What would happen if this provider was a crazy bitch and decided to ________." (Tell my wife, come up to my job, come to my hourse, try to blackmail or extort money from me, etc).
Make sure you protect your real life info so that if she "snaps", she cant do anything to you. If youre a public figure, you've just got to be extra, extra careful.
I didnt intend to come across as bragging.
I have even pulled guys to the side after we've met and told them, "Hey, just so you know, you may want to get a hobby email and not email providers from your work email." or "Hey, take your last name off your P411 profile. Its not required for you to have your full name on the site."
They seem to appreciate it and often make the changes right away.
As for myself, I don't really mind giving out personal information as most everyone I know already are aware of my hobbying proclivities, but HPs advice is spot on for others in more vulnerable situations.
and yes some guys, even married guys are quite lax about their personal information. I've lost track of how many guys have used their real names as handles right here on TER.
LOL! Real name as a handle? Nice.
I wonder if these guys are just extremely arrogant or extremely stupid?
Oh, and I forgot to mention that the dean of that ivy league university was even emailing me from his official university email.
I know for a fact that he's not stupid so the only thing thats left is extremely arrogant. He was a lawyer among his many other titles. In my experience, lawyers tend to be very arrogant and feel that they are untouchable.
Your story about the dean reminds me of what a friend of mine did several years back.
He was looking for a high level engineering job and was quite well qualified so after sending out literally dozens of resumes and not hearing back for a single interview he was baffled and decided to contact the HR departments of a couple of the companies directly. The very first one he contacted remembered his resume immediately and told him the only problem was that they did not hire "ex cons". My buddy was baffled as he had a spotless record, until he remembered that his wife, who worked for the federal probation department had sent out his resume from her work fax, complete with "federal probation department" on the header. lol
and yes, lawyers do tend to be the most arrogant.
No need for more clues on your client list. Looks like some clients like dumb providers.
You told us he is Dean of an IVY league school, now you tell us he was a lawyer . There aren't many IVY league schools unless you think your Alma mater Mitchell college is ivy league. How many clues you going to squeal until he is outed ? How many innocent Deans will now be suspect ? You could have easily made a discretion warning post without being a blabber mouth.
I know for a fact you would better serve your life purpose with your mouth full.
I wonder if these guys are just extremely arrogant or extremely stupid?
Oh, and I forgot to mention that the dean of that ivy league university was even emailing me from his official university email.
I know for a fact that he's not stupid so the only thing thats left is extremely arrogant. He was a lawyer among his many other titles. In my experience, lawyers tend to be very arrogant and feel that they are untouchable.
Lol! How did you know I went to Paul Mitchell University?
No worries, I always "shift" information. Something is slightly off. Maybe he wasn't really the dean. Maybe a professor. Or maybe it wasn't an ivy league school.... Maybe just a private university. Who knows. Maybe I'm not even a real provider. Lol!
alas you finally hit some of that oil that GaG is also looking for.
They can't keep their fucking mouth shut, yap to their "BFF", girlfriends, SO, worse post critical bits and pieces of clues all over the fucking internet... where it eventually ends up in the laps of LE.
And they have the nerves to fucking wonder why some of us have a problem giving up our employment info during verification.
There is a desire to make a connection and "be our real selves" in a situation where we need to relieve the stress of our daily lives. That can lead to careless pillow talk. Some guys need to impress with how important they are.
It can all come back to bite you if someone wants to make some money selling a story or giving up a "big fish" when they get arrested. This was a thoughtful and compassionate warning to all the hobbyists here.
Thank you! 
You are saying high profile clients should not share too much personal info about themselves. Did it ever occur to you that many of these clients live public lives and regardless of what they do, much of their personal info is still publicly available anyway.
Tiger Woods by any other name is still Tiger Woods. What difference does it make if Tiger Woods shows at your door as John Smith. If you recognize your client, the only thing that stops you from bringing him down and humiliating him besides a seven figure check is your conscience.
That being said I still don't give away any info about myself. I won't share my real name, phone, city where I live or employment info with anyone. If my P411 account, TER handle or provider references are not sufficient, I happily move on. It helps that I am not publicly recognizable and makes that produce manger of a local grocery store profession of mine much more believable.
Yes, you bring up a good point.
But I meant the post to be about men who hold high positions. Not necessarily celebrities.
Surely, any girl would recognize Tiger Woods if he showed up to her incall. But there are other guys that the average provider would not recognize.
Yes, I look at the business news channels but it was pretty much a fluke that one of my clients was being interviewed the moment I turned on the tv. He didnt tell me who he really is. I stumbled upon it. He did the right thing by not sharing his real name or real job. Most girls wouldn't ever find out.
There are ways to be open, yet discreet. Ive had guys casually tell me they're a CEO. They didnt say for which company. I didnt ask. And they gave me a name such as John Smith which I assume is an alias. I think this is smart. What am I going to do, google "John Smith CEO"?
I just wanted to remind guys to be a little more careful. Of course, be more open if you want after you know the girl but theres a time for that and its not during screening.
Yes, just tell me youre a grocery store manager named John Smith.
Woke in the morning and found a wine glass in my hand? What prompted this post, Dear Abby?
I find it funny how some of them told me exactly who they are and what they do-- before we even met in person!
Others, I've known for years-- and they are still sticking to their story that they're just a poor, struggling businessman. (Little do they know, some providers actually read Forbes and watch CNBC lol!)
Also, I once met a dean of an ivy league university. I was kind of shocked that he felt so comfortable telling me this during screening. Why would a person in such a sensitive position feel so comfortable telling a provider who he is? Especially when I didnt even ask?
Guys, be careful. There are some less than reputable providers out there looking to sell a story and make a quick buck at the expense of your life, livelihood, and professional reputation.
I dont want to see any nice guys go down like Tiger Woods.
-Honest Provider
Peter Frampton...Do you feel...like I do?
since you really are the produce manager of the local supermarket it doesn't apply to you.
PS: I have never shared my real full name with any provider. I have discussed my job but never named the actual company. I have never shared the name of the town I live in, just the general area. I have never been pressed for this info because I have lots of OKs on my P411 and DateCheck accounts and an adequate number of white lists and reviews to satisfy most providers. I've learned a great deal about staying safe on TER from guys (and gals) more experienced than I am, but I suspect the CEOs of this world don't have the time or are arrogant enough not to care.
I just don't give a fuck. lol
but my situation is probably one that only one in a hundred hobbyists are in. I am a CEO, but CEO of a private company, and in the oil business to boot. All of my friends know what I do, and most of my clients and employees, but I am an independent oil man, and people expect me to act this way. lol
That said, I like HP's attitude, I am a bit surprised though her provider sisters that insist on having those insipid little forms filled out aren't out here in force trying to bash her for having a little common sense.
I've shared my real name with many girls and hobbyists to boot. And I DID boot some. lol
Don't understand WTF is your post is about either, produce manager at local super market? WTF is that about?
but I guess you didn't read that one.
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It's clear that she is warning high profile guys not to reveal too much about themselves during their initital screening when they are trying see a provider. I would hope these high profile guys are choosing well reviewed ladies to begin with. That would help avoid any drama in the first place.
I understand the purpose of her post, and I am a blonde!
More S L O W L Y (just for you)..... Her message to high profile clients:
B E C A R E F U L n o t t o r e v e a l t o o m u c h i n f o r m a t i o n a b o u t y o u r s e l f DURING THE INITIAL SCREENING TO SEE A PROVIDER! Simple stuff! LOL Maybe you should drink less wine so when you read something like this you can actually absorb the purpose of it.
I hope that typing slower was helpful to you on this hungover morning! LOL
Have a great day!
I think none is crueller than fame.
That's why I don't ever let on that I'm the Pope.
(Nobody remember that last item, OK?)
philosopher(Ozzy Osbourne)who would like "to see the pope on the end of a rope." Into the Void i think.
he could have made claim to that.
It did come from the Master of Reality album but the song was After Forever
I know you don't care for this kind of musica
Pope,
Way to get right to the heart of the matter!
OP, Are you saying that a stressed workaholic hobbyist, who doesn't have anyone to open up to, shouldnt get the pleasure of a lil' pillow talk? Really?
Any whore that disclosed this personal information should rot in h-e-double-hockey-sticks!
But why do I keep attracting hobbyists in the wrong fields?!?!? I need one to help me short sell stocks! I want privileged info like that! LOL. j/k to all SEC members!
That's why I don't ever let on that I'm the Pope.
(Nobody remember that last item, OK?)
Maybe that was me you saw? (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
Oh, wait. This is the General Board. Same thing.
...to any provider who requested such.
I am however a tumble weed of sorts and change my occupation with the prevailing winds and driven by the desire to experience all that life has to offer.
I was appointed Secretary of the Interior in 1982 during a cocktail party hosted by then President Ronald Reagan, pretty much on a dare.
In 1990 you may remember that I was chosen as the first American citizen to be awarded the "Nobel Peace Prize" for my contribution to "Formal Fallacy".
I directed the block-buster Broadway musical "Lick-It&Stick-It" winning 3 Tony Awards in the category of "Best New" ...something or other.
I was CFO for Bernie Maddoff, God rest his soul, until someone ruined it all and called the authorities.
You may have seen me on the February 11th telecast of the show "Cops". I was the one hiding under the tipped upside down kiddie pool.
And today I am the greeter at the Hillsboro WalMart.
Welcome to WalMart !