Ladies,
I was just wondering what percent of your clients take the time and have the skill to give you really great DATY and multiple O's?

Here's the backstory on why I'm asking:
A few years ago, I felt I wanted to learn how to be really good in the bedroom. I figured improved skills might help improve things with my wife or, in case my marriage was heading off the rails, my next girlfriend. I'd been seeing providers regularly and planned to use my sessions with providers  to practice and get better. (To give you an idea of my lack of skills at the time, I had probably seen 100+ providers, and at best given 2 of them an orgasm.)

I searched online and bumped into one of the many online courses on how to make a girl orgasm. With some skepticism, I signed up. The course said a lot of things and gave a lot of information, (most of which was similar to the information in other courses on the same topic). A lot of the focus was on giving great cunnilingus, but also on excellent foreplay to lead up to the grand finale of multiple O's.

I started practicing on some of the providers I was seeing, and initially it wasn't really working. I couldn't see any difference in the effects of what I was doing. There were so many tips in the course that it was hard to keep them all in mind and implement them all at first. But I kept working on it. I even mentioned to one of my favorite regular providers that I was trying to improve and that I had taken an online course. She was super-nice about it and gave me more tips and coached me through how to give her an orgasm with my lips and tongue.

I kept practicing on girl after girl, and now the improvement started showing up. I started putting it all together. I was better able to read the girls' responses, tell what they liked and disliked, and focus on the best things for them. It also started to be more clear to me when girls were faking vs. not, and a lot of them started having real O's.

I've continued to work on it and recently I've been able to get most of the providers I see to have at least 2 O's and some have 3 or 4 O's in a 60 to 90 min session (still leaving ample time for me to come once or twice).

Here are some interesting experiences as a result of this:
- A lot of girls go out of their way to give me the best possible experience (physically and emotionally), because I've gone out of my way to show them a great time. I've had a lot more enjoyment in the last year because of this.
- Some of the girls give me extra time because I put so much time into their pleasure. In some cases, I've paid for 1 or 1.5 hours, and the girl has happily stayed for 2 or 3 hours as I went down on her and made her come again and again.
- On two separate occasions, the girls had such a great time that they forgot their money and left. (In both cases, I called them immediately and reminded them about their money so they came back to pick it up.)
- One of my favorites told me that it's a real treat for her that I always take the time and effort to make her come, since it's very hard for to come, and she doesn't have a boyfriend at present.
- Another of my favorites said I gave her the best orgasm of her life. (And I know her well enough to know she was being honest about it. This is the girl who taught me at the beginning, mentioned above, and she was very honest, though kind, back when I wasn't very good.)
- An amazing girl I met recently (who is now one of my favorites) said that I knew more about her body than she herself did and that I should teach a course now(!) (I had told her the story of how I started learning from a course a few years ago.)
- Another new favorite of mine nicknamed me "Tongue Man".
- Girls who are relatively new to the profession are sometimes nervous. It really helps put them at ease when I give them 1 or 2 O's to start off the session.
- I've learned that each girl really is different. The best technique is completely different for each girl, and it has to be modified in real-time based on the girl (and to a lesser extent it needs to be modified based on her mood that day).

But here's an ironic twist: I've gotten really good at giving girls multiple O's from DATY, but there are some girls (maybe 10-20%) who just don't like DATY. And I'm married to one of them! (But I've found other ways to give her regular O's, just probably not as good. Still working on it...)

Does anyone else (either girls or guys) have any similar experiences?

-- Modified on 7/22/2012 5:24:51 PM

Let me know when they are paying you?

When they finally recognize you for the DATY man, perhaps we can team up and put together an agency.  Just keep in mind I charge a ton for my skills...so you might want to bone up on that end of the biz before you contact me.

FWIW...they'll have more O's from shopping

..that your new avatar is very troubling

don't hate on my for taking advantage of my incredible skills.

If you'd like, there will be room for a fella to specialize in the "chick flicks"...and if you cry along with her..trust me she'll tip you very nicely

I am expanding my "shopping dates" to include one extra...sitting through an entire shoe fitting afternoon.  That is the only extra that I hit the ladies up for.  Comparable to Greek for the gals.  And I've also got my "clock free" dates available for those gals as well.

Trust me pal...it's not as much fun as you think it will be.  Just remember, the gals who are calling for this service are the equivalent of the Johns that seek the same.  Ugh!

More O's from shopping........LMAO.
Damn, this thread is even worse than some of mine....and that's hard to do..

I'm sure there'll be some ladies who'll want BBFS.

And you're the man!

And just think...some of them may look like some of the provider posters here, and that's NOT good

But I'll still expect you to perform at the highest levels!

Come on man....post a list of the bbfs ladies for me, Hell, i'm dying anyhow. ( spot on my lung and need a biopsy of my prostate )....fuck it, wanna die with a smile on my face!!
I promise not to spread any disease..i was just checked.
Honestly, i don't wanna risk anyone else's life, but, i reallly don't give a fuck about my own.

...don't work every day now.. Money is not everything in life you know...

Have you considered a career change, and moving on to TV?  They have this series on SHOWTIME called Gigolo. I'm pretty sure they will hire you on it..

Give it a whirl. If I had your looks, experience and SKILLS, I would do it

OMG, do u have to FUCK them also???
Will paper bags placed over head, help?? ( i have plenty saved )

Nah, gotta hire John BJ, look at all those reviews and his ORAL SKILLS are STELLAR.
Now if ya want KINK...it would be CPA...

It's about time one of the gentlemen on here reminded everyone how important it is to be good to the girls as well! We don't like to feel like it's a service either, and I have most certainly given extra time or done things I wouldn't normally do for those clients who go out of their way to make sure that I'm having fun too.

Of course, I'm not suggesting anyone go so above and beyond that they don't enjoy it, but being friendly, focusing on us, and treating us well all do wonders for your own experience.

I'll work for you. You can do my booking and screening, and take 50% of my earnings. I am willing to take lessons from you (at my expense of course) so I am sure to perform to your high expectations and not make you look bad.

excuse me while i kiss the sky..

Yezzzz my Jimi!! lmao!

"What ever it is, that girl, put a spell on me"
                                                                           peace from the grave,
                                                                                                             Jimi

I also love DATY, and that is my favorite thing.  You might even classify it as a fetish, because I would just as soon have a DATY-only session (which I have had).

However, as a guy who came on this board recently and expressed similar things about how providers and civvies in my life have complimented me on my skills, perhaps the way you wrote it came off a little bit as bragging?  Not that you are, but it could be construed that way, because of the great detail you went into about how certain providers gave you more time, gave you a discount, etc.

I certainly have had my share of experiences where I have had discounts or extra time or whatever because of one thing or another, but I guess the point I'm making is that, while I share your passion for that particular activity, it's pretty easy for what seems like an innocuous post talking about DATY to come off as a platform for you listing your resume for DATY skills.

It's been my experience that when you share something extraordinary on these boards, it's an easy setup to get crushed by others.  And while you are probably telling the truth, the way that boards work...well, it's pretty easy for it to come across the wrong way.

If you wanna talk more, then PM me.  You can PM an alias if you have VIP.

On the larger issue of...do you get better service when you do a good job of licking her and pleasuring her?  Sure.  But I would also argue that it's also the whole thing.  I have two providers I have seen recently who give me a lot of extra time because we get along so well (the hour I am charged turns into three or four at times), but that's really the exception.

And I find that bringing these extraordinary situations out can bring out not only the haters, but the otherwise very good/cool people who will just use it as a platform to give you shit because you're the newbie here.

In any event, hope this was of some use to you and the others on this board.

Crazy and John BJ,

I am a big time DATY lover. The ladies who have enjoyed my DATY skills have reciprocated by allowing me to hang around longer, or reduced their fees.

This practice of providers giving "extras" to hobbyists' skills is more common than you think.

Is it bragging for John BJ, to explain how he went from being a lousy DATY guy to a *great* DATY guy? I don't think so. Why? I can relate to him because I've been down the same path.

Anyone who dumps on John BJ is more likely to be the jealous type because they can't do the things that us DATY experts can do.

To those "haters" (as you called them), you have a narrow focus on what the subject is and how you treat the ladies you meet will be reflected in your experiences with them.

Does this mean that due to our great DATY skills that ALL providers give us "extras"? No! A few ladies that do not appreciate our DATY skills are most likely to be jaded and just want to go through the motions just to get the money.

Your question of: "do you get better service when you do a good job of licking her and pleasuring her?" Most of the time, YES! How am I rewarded? It varies from provider to provider. I've had a few that were NOT interested in DATY. Why? 3 said they hated DATY and one said she saves the licking to her boyfriend.

We need to create a DATY Hall of Fame! You, me and John BJ are the first three inductees! I can't imagine what the induction speech would be like... "I like to thank the following..."

sunrosc

Hey John BJ,

Do providers that I have seen appreciate my great DATY skills? Most of the time, YES!
Do providers give me "extras" when I give them great DATY experiences? Most of the time, YES!

Read my response to Crazyshit's (below) post for more details.

Keep up the good work!

sunrosc

orgasm.  A woman's orgasm is more about mood and emotion than physical stimulation.  You can be the reincarnation of Rudy Valentino, and still not get a woman off if she doesn't let herself.

Most providers don't get emotionally invested enough in their clients to have orgasms despite the guy's skills.  Some do, and maybe you have been lucky enough to find a number of them.

Your stats could very well track with other guys' experiences who haven't engaged in the practice that you have.  You may want to chalk your perceived successes up to provider selection rather than anything else.

But hey, keep practicing if you get something out of it - even if it's just a real or false sense of a job well done.  Whatever floats your boat - that's what the hobby is about.

Yep it's all about her mood and emotion than physical stimulation.

unique in how they like it, so technique that works for one may very well fail for another.  The only way to be universally good is to be an "expert" in taking direction and responding to cues - but that presupposes that SHE"s willing to give such direction and you know her cues well enough to respond to them.  Pretty hard presumption to make in the hobby.

When I tried to explain what "I" liked, his reply was "Well, everyone before you said I was the best." I responded yet again by saying, "Well, they freaking lied to you!" If it's not unheard of for girls to blow smoke up their bf's ass who is NOT paying them, I find it really funny guys here think what women tell them is also gospel...get a clue. Some are good, and some are not. A woman who knows her own body and is multi-orgasmic can get off with a bed post rubbing against her. A woman who is not so prone to orgasms, needs men who can take instructions.

WOW........now that's a damn shame. With that kitty around every nite, i would DAMN SURE, make sure i listened and took instructions.
Damn, didn't he give a shit???

I didnt read this whole thread, but this is a good point.  Women's sexuality is VERY complicated and very mental.  An adonis with the best oral skills known to man could go to town on me, and while I may enjoy it, I won't cum unless the sun, moon, and stars have aligned.  A lot of a woman's sexuality is dependent on how comfortable and confident she is feeling.  If she's worried about anything, ANYTHING, other than what she's doing, she probably will not have an O.  We worry about a lot of stuff:  Does he like me?  Does he like this lingerie?  Whats he going to say in his review?  Is he a cop?  Why is he sticking his tongue in my butt?  Ouch! Why is he biting that?  etc etc etc.  

My concerns while with a client are primarily HIS pleasure and his fantasy.  Not to say I cant get off with a client, but we'd really have to be mentally and physically compatible for it to happen.  

DATY Expert??"  Brother, how can anyone be an expert at it?  Each woman is

DC,

Not hard to make a presumption.

You would have become an expert if you took the TIME and look for CUES from the ladies on how to effectively do a great DATY on HER. Yes, every lady is different, that's how you adjust your skills to fit each lady. Only experts can do that.

I can't help it if you don't consider yourself an expert on this.

sunrosc

to not even try bringing a provider to orgasm. In aggregate, I don't think they even care. Too, I wouldn't believe them anyway.

I would, however, try to find something that makes them "get in the mood" e.g. , kisses, massage in the hopes they might relax enough to at least feel comfortable with me.(Instead of just poking around their bodies)

This is SO true! It's very easy for me to have an orgasm, but even I can't do it as consistently when I'm being gone down on. It feels good, they're doing everything right, but if I don't have the time to lay back and relax, it's just not happening with DATY.

I do think that a man can become an expert at it though. All it takes is paying attention and trying different things until you find what she likes. There are basics that apply to pretty much every woman, and then practice and a desire to get better helps with the fine tuning.

I very rarely don't hear some variation of "that was the best head I've gotten", but I do occasionally ask a client if he could take a little extra time (obviously, in a longer appointment) for him to teach me how to give a great BJ because I do want to keep improving and I am very aware that even men are different in what they like and what excites them. A little dedication goes a long way

I'm just pointing out that the reality of any board is that there are politics involved.  There is always the tendency for the established members of the board to get up in arms because the newbie is playing in their playground.  And while there is nothing at all wrong with what John BJ said, I'm just saying that some of the more opinionated and established members here could interpret the post as bragging, when really I read it as just him discussing things in great detail and giving examples.

Back to the topic of DATY.  Yes, I love that more than anything else.  Truth be told, if it came down to being given a choice between DATY only or FS/BBBJ only, I would choose DATY only.  There is something to me that is way more intimate about using your mouth to directly pleasure a woman with no barrier involved that you don't get from FS with a condom.  I think the only thing more intimate than DATY, actually, is BBFS, but that's not a realistic option in today's world.  The very nature of having your tongue inside the woman's anatomy is inherently more intimate than receiving a BBBJ, just because of the difference between male/female anatomy.  Not to get too graphic, but that's my opinion.

Have I received huge discounts or extended sessions because of my DATY skills?  i think so.  But honestly it's hard to reduce it down to that one thing.  Usually I get the extended sessions because of the fact that we get along.  The girl mentions that I'm cool and that they could actually just see themselves hanging out with me for dinner or a movie, or something that is off the clock.  I'm sure the DATY skills play a part in this, but I'm not sure it's only about that.

There are two girls right now who give me massively discounted sessions (about 50% off their one-hour rate) and stay for two hours or more.  One girl charges me $250 and regularly stays for five or six hours, where we talk, have sex, talk, and have more sex.  Another girl charges me $200 and stays for two to three hours...same thing.  They always ask me if I'm in a rush, and I'm never in a rush with them, so the session just extends itself.  But I think that's more the fact that I make them really comfortable than it is JUST my oral skills.

I don't disagree that providers give extras or more time to their clients who they like, though.  Another provider who is a topless bodyrub provider regularly offers much more to me, though she is strictly topless to everyone else.  Why?  Because we get along.

As for me...yes, I learned how to DATY well because in my early 20s a provider taught me how to pay attention to certain things about a woman.  Now, every woman is different, but I have found that the two principles she taught me are completely applicable to 99% of the women I have seen out there.

I would stop short of saying that others are jealous because of the great things us "DATY experts" can do.  That just comes off every bit as condescending as the guys who tell me that she's only there for the money.

And I don't think we need to have a DATY Hall of Fame.  That would be a nice way to set yourself up as a douchebag to the rest of the people on the board, even if that's not how you meant it.

understand a few things !!!
It was a short response but to the point and helped me.
Thank you !

One thing though ..........." does he like me ? " - We gentlemen have MANY choices of ladies we can see. Most of us spend a good bit of time doing research ..............Trust me on this one - If I am knocking on your door, than baby, I LIKE YOU w/o question

If I am not getting mione and he is getting his and the reason I am not is because he's a jerk and won't listen...guess what, there's the door and let it hit your ass on the way out.

Remove the pressure to have one and combine that with relaxing "other stuff" and it really does make for a better time and who knows, maybe it will happen and if not, massages are great!

I literally made him CIM every single time we had sex too, and I was lucky to ever get off. I always said the way a guy treats you in the bedroom will conicide with how he treats you in general...rings true. A selfish person, is selfish in every way it seems.

..and let that be a lesson to you never to let a guy do that to you again young lady!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One of my favorites told me that it's a real treat for her that I always take the time and effort to make her come, since it's very hard for to come, and she doesn't have a boyfriend at present.
- Another of my favorites said I gave her the best orgasm of her life.

IS THIS GIRL SELENA? IF YOU WANT TO SEE KHLOE (Chloe Sinclair) YOU CAN DO IT. Blondes ect.