hey all,

where, me, Nicky, GaG, Panthera, AMN, and the CPAs (ChgoCPA and others) had just been...

I have dated a provider and it takes someone with a VERY open mind to date one.  When I look back it's better not to date a provider and be friends and get free sex whenever you want.  When you start dating anyone it's starts to change the relationship most times for the worse.  Friends with benefits is a much better option.  Thoughts?

Curly has a good point...

You have to understand where she is coming from. BIB actually got this one right, you insulted her, and unintentionally reminded her that she is a whore. I know you didn't mean to, and that you are "old school" and accustomed to picking up every tab, but some women don't want that, and that's where you fucked up.

Look at it this way, you get pleasure out of giving, why can't you accept the fact that some women get the same pleasure out of giving, so rather than being selfless, you are actually being selfish and robbing her of the joy of doing something nice for you.

and yes, I have dated many providers, and almost all of them wanted to and were allowed to pick up the occasional tab. I once took a Korean lady I was dating (an AMP girl believe it or not) to a casino, to make a long story short she won while I lost, and "for luck" she gave me $500 bucks as we were leaving. Now I hardly needed the $500 but rather than "cheapen her treat" I accepted the money and turned around and bought her something nice with the money (actually a purse that was quite a bit more than $500) so we both ended up happy.

its not easy for most guys to find girls who would want to keep having sex with them w/o any commitment or money... Sometimes both..

I've gone on dates with them.  On a couple of occasions they've offered to pay for a meal and I was quite comfortable with that.  I'd just been generous with them in other ways (and I don't mean P4P) and they wanted to reciprocate.  To me, it would have been rude not to have accepted.  I don't see why you have a problem with it

Unless the man was hot and AMAZING in bed.

Maybe she wanted a friend , a boyfriend ,someone to treat her like the lady she thought she was to you .and you passed judgement on her yet none on yourself . Your fucked up ....so go date a girl who gets free drinks and dinner for sex, trips for sex, ex boyfriends who were only bf s because they had money . What's the difference , they both tale a mans money . But when you declined her gift , you told her who and what she was , shame on you ...but I bet you got what you wanted then wanna post here , " wow I dated as provider " , hey pal all my gfs have been providers in one way or another ! Grow up.  

no no, that is not what I meant about pickup the tab.

Proceed with caution in case she's a money grubbing whore lol

So all the rest of us who aren't morons are supposed to never date a hooker because of his one bad experience.

I've dated lots of hookers and the breakups have been a lot less drama filled than any of my civvy LTR's

You are still heads and shoulders above most of the guys here whose only advice is "never date a hooker" They have no idea what they are missing. Oh well, their loss, our gain, and they make us look good in the eyes of providers by comparison in the process. Win Win for us

as to why you want them not to pay, then you are going to end up hurting their feelings...

will pay one way or another. That's being said. As a Man...I always pay for the entire date... Just raised that way. If I ask a woman out, she doesn't need to even think about bringing her wallet. With civilians, I've never left an envelope on the nightstand. Either it works out or it doesn't. In the Hobby arena, if she wanted to go there for a night out (in a special way), that's up to her. Not implied, either I can afford the 4+ hour date or I can't. I generally haven't gone in that direction either. In business, I don't pay my employees to sleep, eat or just hang out because I like them. I bill their hours.

I dated a provider for about 3 months and she basically used me for money. I got the old story that she went back with the old boyfriend who has an arrest record, no stable job, and is drunk or stoned most of the time. Stay as far away from her as you can or you will be used and heart broken.

why do people insist on answering questions that were never asked, that and putting words into the mouths of others. I "date" providers all the time, I have had many very enjoyable LTR's with hooker, I have never once considered marrying any of them, or any civvy girls since I have been divorced for that matter.

1 group , thieves with drug addict bfs who are felons and your "Heart got Broken" ,  can we have retard Tuesday , you guys are really dumping on my nice weekend ! And were you to marry her ???? Okay no more novelty provider gf s fop you guys . Stick to an hour at a time !  

I have been seeing a provider now for 3 years and in last 6 months been "dating" her. For me its more like a really good FWB with romantic feelings thrown in . Most of the time we just do things together like a normal relationship. I always offer to pay for everything but when she offers I let her. I will tell her she does not have to pay but that if she wants to I really appreciate her for wanting to. THEN I let her pay. Your being a real moron not letting someone do something for you. It shows she cares about you and wants your relationship to be MORE than just work for her and hanging out afterwards. Get over your pride and upringing -I am a southern man and was raised that way to. There are other things you can do to like opening doors for her, seating her, helping her do things around the house ect....  Believe me she will notice those other things and appreciate them as much as you paying for everything. Good luck to you!

for correcting me.

Do you honestly believe you will always treat her like a Queen just as hundreds of other men currently do?  

I have an ex who used me for money, got drunk all the time and then in the end wouldn't give me sex.

All the guys into 1 group too. Sadly I think they do , unreal .  

Simple “dating” is certainly benign and ‘Non-committal’ enough in nature. I was simply speaking from the often and ubiquitously accepted ‘progression’ of things.

But you are a lock for TASOHA.
The Albert Schweitzer of Hobbyists Award.
It will conveyed to you at the Blue Marlin Sports Bar of the Del Rey Hotel in San Jose, Costa Rica on the evening of December 5th.
Here is a hint

I guess your conjecture is forgivable. lol

As Woody Allen says, "Don't knock masturbation.  It's sex with someone you love."

Your post brought back memories.  

that I understand what she does for a living and that unless it's an every night we are together type of thing that I completely understand the times when she is simply "fucked out"

If I were dating a chef, I wouldn't expect her to want to cook everynight that she was off, it's the same way with sex. Now if it happened every night, which has happened to me when I dated a Korean gal who worked at an AMP, she simply had nothing left in the tank for me, so we, well actually I decided that we should just be friends.

It's one thing to treat a "lady like a whore" but treating a hooker like a hooker is just plain disrespectful IMO. and to think people think I am an asshole. lol

You are all over the place which is an indication of significant mental issues. Simply, this is what you do. If you decide to take someone out, you treat her like any other date and lady.  

My non-client relationships have NOT had this sort of dynamic, so I do feel that it's something that might be endemic to provider/client relationships. I've heard much of the same from other girls...

because of the guys hangups, not the girl's.

I think a guy has to be very secure to not do the relationship killing mistakes that most guys commit. You know the "you're just a whore" remark when having an argument, the "demanding" of sex, not the request. All the stupid things that guys do to protect their fragile egos.

Now women obviously have their faults as well, but I think I've used my share of bandwidth up already discussing the faults of BSC providers. lol

I will confess that I don't really like to think about what my GF does if she happens to be a provider, I know some guys get off on it, but with me, I just compartmentalize, just like many providers do. and yes a "real man" would give you the space to enjoy your bubble bath when needed. The only time it would become an issue with me is if she was "never in the mood", I am a horndog, and going without sex for more than a day or two without sex makes me very, very grumpy. lol

i would let her pay all the time, she would get gifts for me as well.
Just keep in mind that she is a whore that will lie to you just like her other Johns, her offer to pay was her way to keep you around until she no longer needed you. She understood she has to spend money to make money.
This is a game that the hookers play much better than you. So date them don't hate them, she only wanted your money anyway.

Those were my agency years...hard to be horny when you're starting at one-eyed snakes all day. Not impossible, but I was rarely on horny slut mode outside of work.

..especially if you first met them as a client.

It doesn't take any special skill to get a provider to go on a "date" with you. First off, the chances of dating on of those providers that "don't date" clients are remote so respect her wishes and keep it business. The rest of the women without this cut and fast rule about dating clients are just women, women with a job that entails selling sex. Most guys, even here, or rather especially here, treat providers like they are a different species completely, it's like they think these ladies hang upside down at night like bats, only coming to life when they have an appointment.

I've dated dozens of providers over my many years doing this, just treat them like women, and don't condescend where it comes to their work. One other thing where it comes to asking a hooker out, don't come on like you are looking for a freebie. I always make sure that the lady knows that any date/s we go on are "sex optional" Lets have fun first (not that kind of fun. lol) and anything that happens more than that we will deal with at the time. Most guys here recommend having clear rules and boundaries, most guys here are idiots. The only rule that should matter is that you should feel comfortable that she won't be expected to do anything she doesn't want to. Not a whole bunch different from civvy dating, except you already know whether she is any good in bed.

Would I date a client for real?  Yes.
Would they be taking care of me BETTER than a client. YES.  

If you really cared about the person, you wouldn't care about the money.

I wouldn't say dating someone who makes several hundred dollars an hour is taking advantage of "some desperate being"

Your attitude is exactly what scares many guys off from dating hookers. What you are talking about isn't "dating" at all, you are talking about a sugar daddy, not a BF. Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against being a sugar daddy, but lets not confuse that with being a "real" BF/GF

I met two guys who just happened to be clients. Also...marriage/LTR was never an option.

A boyfriend !  And your comments are ridiculous to say the least . A woman should have self worth , a boyfriend should and can help her to achieve goals and she should be by him for support in what he does , that's a relationship. But good luck finding daddy war bucks , he should pay all your bills , I'm ROFL .  And the best line is " a guy likes you he should pay all your bills "  classic ! Hope you enjoy being single cause we aint all dumb !  

Relationship. All about the Benjamin's , and why so many are miserable .  And if you have to explain it , it ain't worth it because they either get it or they don't . In 2013 any guy who wants a girl sitting home is an idiot ! It won't work , know a girl with some kind of career takes a lot of give and take but at least of it doesn't work out she got a fucking job !  Oh this is funny !  

Confused...why do you need a man to do that just to date him? That's not a BF, that's a sap. Granted, I did not work when I was married, but that was the choice of the men who married me...I would have gladly worked. I would never date a client, but I would also not expect ANY man to support me fully. I might be lazy, but I am not that lazy.