I've always tip at agencys (AMP); not independents.

... it's considered a breach of etiquette (i.e. tacky) to tip the owner of a business.  Instead of tipping, the rules of etiquette suggest a gift, e.g. bottle of wine, on a special occasion such as a holiday, and also to reward the owner of the business for excellent service by being a repeat customer and advertising the business by word of mouth.  All of which I think applies to this business.

Tipping is a personal preference. But why wouldn't you consider doing the same for a lady whose independent?  

I keep my fee where it is because the majority of my seekers are generous. They realize I go above and beyond because they've seen what's out there and are appreciative. They are also as easy going as I am. Believe me, if that ever changed I would raise my rates and it would be completely acceptable for me to do so. This being a transient town and the number of bait and switch and other nonsense I'm happy to be the highlight of someone's visit. So yeah, I am also curious as to why someone would not tip an independent lady but would tip an agency girl...

There is nothing even the least bit tacky about tipping the owner of a business.

I don't know who wrote these so called "rules" but whoever did is full of shit as well, and I bet you no one consulted any actual business owners before coming to this ridiculous conclusion.

I am just as likely to tip an indy as I am an agency girl. I tip for going "above and beyond the call" where it comes to any professional, and even agency girls are hardly squeaking by on minimum wage like a waitress or bartender.

But I personally don't tip because I consider providers as highly paid professionals makings 100s of dollars an hour.  

I say it's a nice gesture considering that independents have much more control over their pricing, volume and clientele. I hate tipping a valet who gets to drive nice cars all day, but I have no problem giving a substantial one to the housekeepers who have to clean the toilets and dirty sheets.

Those valets have to book it back and forth to collect all those nice cars, I tip them well. Anyone who providers a service to me I tip well, I know how they're treated the majority of the time, and I like being low maintenance and generous.  

While the independent who may be barely able to pay for her advertising, incall location, and all the other ancillary costs of running a small business does not.  Ok, got it.

and you didn't really just say that you hate tipping the poor guy who parks your car, for the lame reason that he gets to "drive nice cars all day"???!!! I mean come on man, think before you post. Does that mean you don't tip your waiter at a gourmet restaurant because he gets to eat good food every day? Would it matter to you if the valet had to park junkers all day? Or does the waitress at a diner deserve a bigger tip than the woman at a gourmet restaurant because her working environment is better?

Please explain your logic to me. I am dying to know.

First of all, they don't get to drive your car in an enjoyable way, unless they're the guys in "Ferris Beuhler's Day Off" who take the Ferrari for a joy ride.  Valets mainly stand around and then drive a car a few feet and park it.  Does that really sound like fun to you?
Also, you rely on them to treat your car with care and not put dings in it that you don't find until the next day.
Don't be cheap.

And honestly the thought of getting tipped for doing a "good job" has never ever entered my mind.  Likewise, tipping a client of mine who is also a business owner has never ever entered my mind.

Just do what I do: I don't tip.  If I really like you, I will repeat.  And, as GaG and others have pointed out, you totally fail to understand the financial dynamic of agency girls vs. indies.  The agency generally pays for advertising, screening, booking and the room.

but are you agreeing that you would find it "tacky" or somehow degrading?

I have been known to tip professionals, I gave my attorney an extra 500 bucks once, He gave me kind of a blank stare like "what the hell is this" I told him to take his wife out to dinner on me as thanks for a great job, plus I know he will ALWAYS take my calls first in the future.

For the record, I rarely tip hookers regardless of whether they are indy or agency girls, but I have been known to do so on occasion. I will confess that it's more likely for me to tip a lady charging $250 an hour than one making five bills.

If it happened with any frequency I hope I'd be smart enough to realize that I've set my rates too low.  And since I control the billing here in my office...trust that that would be rectified immediately  LOL

Some agencies squeeze the ladies for (some of) their overhead costs in addition to a cut of each appointment. She's going to have to work more to make up the lost ground. Same as the diner waitress vs. the gourmet waitress (although in this case we're talking tips as percentage of sales - the diner waitress is working way more tables to get the same $).

mine is rather high end.  So I appreciate it when the valet takes good care of it.  I'm all for treating housekeepers nicely as well.  I just don't discriminate.

I figure her rate is calculated for what she feels her time is worth.

I understand your logic, somewhat, but here's the thing:

... almost everyone (except you) understand that it's not an accepted practice to tip business owners.  

Did you just say that "someday" I am going to insult someone???!!!

Where the fuck have you been for the last decade or so? I insult someone every fucking day, but not by giving them money. If you would like to insult me by giving me money, please be my guest. Small bills or large, your choice. lmao

I saw him live and unfortunately a tad too up close.

at that time it was $40 for the massage/room/table shower and "tipping" is what got you BJs or FS.
A place I used to go to back in the early 90's in midtown of NYC was about $100 for a CBJ and $200 for FS, one pop.
So the total was either $140 or $240.  Offering tips beyond that got you nothing more and 90% of the time you'd never see the same gal twice.

Why is it tipping based on affiliation rather than exceptional service?

if there is any confusion , read my prior post. Agency girls don't deal with 70% of what indies do.

tip your independants too, it al balances out equally we have to pay an assitant or we do out own bookings. agency girls arent makin less than us .....

When you provide rationale that is clear, concise and to the point you diminish the chances of rebuttal.  Only those who want to argue for the sake of arguing would only respond.

I don't know what possessed him to do so, but back in the 80s at the Palladium in Hollywood, a good friend of mine scored front row tickets to see Rickles and then squandered his good fortune by trying to heckle him. To say that Rickles made him look stupid would be like saying that Tidwit has "boundary issues" Rickles cut him to pieces.

but the problem is, she just made the exact same points as I did, so I would be simply arguing with myself. I do like to argue, but I rarely argue with myself. lol

I would be concerned for you if you argued with yourself and lost.

t all agency girls are overworked and underpaid. I started w one, I choose when I worked and who I saw, the rate I negotiated was perfectly acceptable. I thought what the agancey was getting was a good deal for me considering all I really had to do was show up. My listed rate now is a bit higher but if I only make my listed rate I would be working for less per hr then I did w the agency. I did have a pretty generous split w the agency... Indy I put A LOT more time into marketing and prep. The rates in the area I'm in are pretty low, the more expensive girls are close to what starting rate is in bigger cities. If I want to make a living I have to keep my rate in line w the market. I'm thankful that I have generous friends that appreciate the effort I put in. I also appreciate my regulars and try and take care of them. We are all flexible with the rate and it keeps everyone happy.  

for great service, what is exactly what I get from my two faves, I usually tip $200 on a $1200 3 hour visit.  And they are worth every penny.  Too much, just right or too little?  I see each about once every 3-4 weeks.

find a way to rebuttal it lol. They haven't poked fun at me lately, I don't know if I am going soft or they are. I may be agreeing with them too much?

There is no such thing as tipping too much or too little because it is your money and you can give however you want. Our rates are suppose to be what we for sure want, anything beyond that is appreciation

They were struggling so badly at one point that she had to lay the bartender off and tend bar herself along with all her other duties. This poor woman was working 18 hour days to try to keep her doors open yet got less than a quarter of the tips as the old bartender got, simply because everyone knew she was the owner. Those tips would have been the only money she took home for months.

I am with you, I tip for exceptional service, and it matters not to me if the person providing the service is the employee or the employer, it's the quality of service that matters to me.

Ya just might get it.

Does the owner of that salon make $400 an hour?

An owner who does the work of a regular employee is a different case. For example, I often see massage therapists who are independent. They get $60-70 an hour. I tip them for exceptional service.  

You would think guys would give me 10s for chirping my orgasms, the SOBs!!! I even rub my legs together just right. right before he cums. I flexible and original like that.

tipping is shows manners, respect & appreciation. I tip everywhere, even at Subway!

Bravo!  We do appreciate it very much.  I am always pleasantly surprised when I get a little extra in my envelope.  It goes a long way to making my day!

yup, and I REALLY appreciate those gals - they bring great pleasure and joy!