BLUF: providers have moved on to other platforms and aren't coming back to a monger-centric formatted site.
1. Reduce rules for explicitness of reviews. -You're basically saying throw out the current requirement for a rating of 8-10 by not requiring details.
2. Make it easier to update profiles for accuracy, with current information. - I'm all for it. I've submitted numerous reports of girls being fat and TER won't change their body type.
3. Add an alias for reviews option (while keeping a board alias as well). -Doesn't this already exist?
4. Keep the longer timeframe for reviews in place. How does this attract providers back to the site?
9. Double free membership period for submitted reviews. see comment to #4.
It's been 6 months or so since the return of TER to the US, and still the boards remain relatively dead and sausage-festy.
So I ask the question, how do we resuscitate TER? How do we get the members, especially providers, back in the fold?
A few ideas:
1. Reduce rules for explicitness of reviews.
2. Make it easier to update profiles for accuracy, with current information.
3. Add an alias for reviews option (while keeping a board alias as well).
4. Keep the longer timeframe for reviews in place.
5. Allow for brief provider comments on reviews. Another site has done this without chaos ensuing.
6. Unmoderate except for reported posts and repeat offendors. Get more conversations in real-time.
7. "Roll off" reviews after 25.
8. Ease rules for provider ads and threADs.
9. Double free membership period for submitted reviews.
Not all popular ideas, I'm sure. What others do people have?
Lately I’ve seen all kinds of reviews that were extremely short, eg one line for General, 3 lines for (Non) Juicy Details, with so little detail of any kind that they could have been written by a bot.
A bot... hmmm... 🧐
As for 2, I’ve found that TER quickly responds to profile update reports if there’s substantiation for the change. And of course, providers can submit updates any time they wish.
As for 4, I recently saw a “New” review from 2016. 😳
While some gals can handle that OK, some will do irreparable damage to themselves if given this outlet.
I agree that TER isn’t yet up to full steam. I think two big reasons are:
1. It took time for people to become aware that it was back
2. For the last 2 months the industry had been shut down.
Hard to create a robust review/discussion site with those handicaps.
I’m not sure what you mean by reduce the rules for explicitness, but the thing I find most valuable about TER, compared to a number of other sites, is that you can learn what a woman is comfortable with. For example it’s hard to learn, other than through TER, whether a woman offers bbbjcim.
high-volume reviewer . . . .
1. What kind of additional explicitness are you looking for? I pretty much say everything that happened.
2. Good idea, but I have found TERSupport to be prompt in addressing errors I have pointed out. How could this be improved in your opinion?
3. I'm sure there are members who would take advantage of this, but probably not me.
4. A lot can happen in six months. I agreed with the catch-up allowance, but should remain 90 days going forward.
5. Absolutely not. This is just asking for trouble. Any girl that gets less than a 9-9 is going to be squawking.
6. I think unmoderated forum posting should continue to be "earned". Most posters learn the rules as they go. Very few read them BEFORE they start posting. I think moderation is a valuable tool for newbies.
7. I don't understand what you mean by "roll off." Are you saying don't go back more than 25 reviews showing on a profile? If a girl has been consistent form the beginning of her career, I would like to know about it. I would oppose this one.
8. Not sure about this one. Which rules would you propose easing?
9. Since I write a lot of reviews, this is not a big deal for me. However, if they are going to do this, I think there should be a requirement for some real substance. During this restart period, there were hundreds of generic reviews posted that could fit with any girl who's in the biz. More free days means more guys scamming the system unless there is some content requirements other than "juicy details."
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I think he wanted to be less explicit.
As everyone knows, mostly all the providers that once religiously used TER have moved over to twitter. Twitter is their home now and TER (in many providers eyes) is now everything they are against. Being on TER is like having a scarlet letter, and unfortunately that is the consensus.
I was all in on making TER a thing again when it first came back, but now I don’t really care.
Not a doctor but I don't think that will help.
You are 100% spot on. Even many of the peeps that disagreed when you and I were saying this 6 months ago have come around.
TER, in the eyes of the girls you mention, is that dude at the bar all drunk and asking "hey babe you wanna fuck?" instead of first introducing himself and schmoozing her a bit to possibly get in her pants by the end of the night.
When Sesta/Fosta made its way onto the scene, some girls did look at TER to take a sniff but they didn't like the stench and they decided not to come back because they saw no meaningful change.
I like Zen but his ideas are more akin to making a horse and buggy nicer, more beautiful and luxurious...after everyone owned a car.
TER had a GREAT run. Incredible really. But all dynasties end. Just ask the Baratheons. lol
First off, the proposed changes IMHO would NOT have saved TER, but what they would have accomplished would be to create a new TER, so watered down, and so slanted in favor of the providers as to make it completely worthless to most of us even if it did succeed in bringing more traffic to TER, which I seriously doubt it would have done.
The guys bitch that the site is slanted towards the providers, the providers bitch that it's slanted towards the guys. That's a good sign that there is a reasonably decent balance. The changes that you and Zen have proposed would slant things so much in favor of the providers that the review database, TER's primary asset, would drop in value to ZERO.
When TER folded the day F/S passed, I thought it was over for me, and it would be hard to "prove" I was a reputable but to my shock, I started doing better. I met better clients, had a better time knowing I didn't have a dick review lingering over me, and developed more regulars and repeats. Reviews essentially have zero value to women in this day and age, so why should we stay? Free advertising? Perhaps. I am still here, but I am def not here promoting myself or trying to pick up new clientele.
I guess my point is this. Guys NEED this site more than us women do.
*maybe not YOU personally or the weirdos that post on here 1000X a day but haven't been with a naked women in years, I am talking about guys that have relied on TER to actually get laid safely. This really sucks for them.
Here is my take on the subject, When F/S came along and TER went dark there were two different predictions on what would happen. One school of thought was that the hookers would become desperate and rates would plummet. The other camp believed that without reviews guys wouldn't know who was reputable and women could just charge what they wanted.
It came down to a battle of wills, and like most battles of will between men and women, the women won. lol
As for myself, I am only really here for the discussion boards, I haven't really used TER much for the reviews since I moved out of Atlanta, and since I moved from Dallas I pretty don't use it at all.
Back to the people who are the biggest losers, not the losers who post on here 1000X a day, but haven't been with a naked woman for years, but the guys who are losing out because TER no longer has a lot of use for getting laid by hookers safely. Yes it does suck for them, and unless and until they DEMAND that they women they pay for sex are reviewed like they once did, and they stick to their guns, which is highly unlikely, things are going to stay pretty much like they are. Why would the women fold a winning hand and go back to the way things were? There is absolutely ZERO reason for the hookers to even consider going back to the old ways.
and I'm very glad to be able to do so. Without TER I wouldn't know them and wouldn't have bothered to try any other means to find new gals.
But then again, I'm a boomer, so what the hell do I know about the world, right?
I believe you also dwell in the sugar bowl where reviews don't really exist.
aren't even using the free advertising! What does that tell you (plural)?
If they don't need TER for the FREE advertising, they don't need it at all. The girls not only left the ads, they left the boards as well. Yes the guys need the site more now, no question.
I have had to make do with lesser quality verification methods (for me to "verify" the girl, that is) and it is more of a crap shoot now than it ever was.
I hate to see what TER has devolved into and this is where Gag and I just disagree. There was no "battle of wills." Girls tried other venues for advertising that didn't involve every aspect of their sexual lives on full display for the world to see and they found that their book went UP and NOT down, as you state.
At that point, and with the added fuel of the #metoo movement, it was over. Again, it was the "horse and buggy meets the car" analogy. The pro horse and buggy peeps could scream, holler and boycott all they wanted but that wasn't going to stop the car from taking over.
When the supply side of any business can collude (and that is essentially what the girls did by moving to twitter) and can find success doing so, it alters the usual rules of supply and demand.
I cut back to seeing very few new girls that I hadn't seen before because they had no reviews. Every date was a TOFTT situation. I don't mind some of my dates being TOFTT, but not a very large percentage. so I pretty much stuck to the girls I have known for a long time that I have seen before.
When TER folded the day F/S passed, I thought it was over for me, and it would be hard to "prove" I was a reputable but to my shock, I started doing better. I met better clients, had a better time knowing I didn't have a dick review lingering over me, and developed more regulars and repeats.
It might just be me but do you really think these new clients who found you didn’t use are know about TER? I doubt it. No new influx of guys just had to change how we did things.
I don't think that most ladies such as yourself that have a profile on TER truly understand or appreciate how much that helps you. Whether or not guys admit it is one thing, but I suspect that a lot of the guys that you think you meet on Twitter and are scheduling an appointment with you are NOT doing that just based on your charming Twitter presence.
I think the ball was starting to roll, and then we ran into the covid. But if you look closely, there are signs of momentum gathering again. A little over a month ago when TER asked for predictions of when the 350,000th provider ID would be issued, the average number of new provider ID's per day was around 17. Today shows a doubling of that average number to a bit over 34 per day since then.
BLUF: providers have moved on to other platforms and aren't coming back to a monger-centric formatted site.
1. Reduce rules for explicitness of reviews. -You're basically saying throw out the current requirement for a rating of 8-10 by not requiring details.
2. Make it easier to update profiles for accuracy, with current information. - I'm all for it. I've submitted numerous reports of girls being fat and TER won't change their body type.
3. Add an alias for reviews option (while keeping a board alias as well). -Doesn't this already exist?
4. Keep the longer timeframe for reviews in place. How does this attract providers back to the site?
9. Double free membership period for submitted reviews. see comment to #4.
I’m not sure attracting providers to the site is ever going to be extraordinarily successful again. It would be pretty hard to replicate what was working within RB over here in TER.
Remember all those invitation only groups they used to have on RB? That was one of the keys for success with providers. Does TER have anything like it? Do they even have a culture that would permit, much less encourage that? A quite significant number of appointments started in those groups. I met some great women that way and had a few experiences I’d never thought possible.
Old curmudgeons and flame wars in the forums can be (but frequently aren’t) a lot of fun and can certainly add value or entertainment sometimes. But from the provider viewpoint that’s a bit of communication overhead that they simply don’t need and many can’t afford.
So, it is my opinion that without some restructuring of the forums to allow specialized providers to interact in a focused way with people interested in her specialty (FBSM, for example), TER simply doesn’t have fertile soil for providers to plant seeds that have a chance of growing and feeding their business.
Still, this is just my opinion. Any and all are free to disagree.
This is a place for men to get info on escorts to determine if they are worth the amount of donation for the service level. You don't need any escorts interaction for that. Does TER charge escorts advertising on here? Im not sure the business model. I just pay for VIP usually every year or so and get intel. Prior to the crackdown it was good. Its getting back slowly i hope. I'm not sure what Twitter and all that has to do with TER.
I agree. TER is for reviews (and maybe ISOs). Ads by women are fine, but those that are most useful are those that provide details, either in the ad itself or through the link to the advertiser’s TER reviews. Twitter can teach me something about the provider but rarely is specific info on activities to be found in the thread. Switter can be more helpful in that regard, sometimes.
I’m not interested in spending$700 or more only to learn during our date that she doesn’t kiss, doesn’t like daty, and only gives CBJ. If I do TOFTT, I want to be able to let the team know what I learned. Hence, TER.
If providers keep rising their rates and not providing good quality service guys will get sick of spending their hard earned money and start to only see girls they know will give them what they are looking for and TER will be a popular place for providers to go again
1. Sure. Why not. TER is basically already doing this and easily approving reviews.
2. Cannot speak for the ladies, but I find it challenging to update a ladies profile. I have about a 50/50 track record of my requests getting approved.
3. Good idea. TER used to do this back in the day. It was abused which is why it stopped.
4. Sure. Why not 180 days seems reasonable.
5. Sure. Either that or allow like 5 responses to a review such as fake review or yes I met him, etc., so this does not get stupid.
6. Moderation can be annoying and disrupt the flow of a conversation. Sure.
7. Not sure that I understand this one or how it would work. Probably a bad idea.
8. Sure.
9. Sure. Whatever.
A few other ideas that I have heard:
10. NCNS or other ripoff reviews/board. Brought up several times. Have recently read several reviews about deposits getting kept w/o meeting.
11. If there are no or very few ladies, then maybe just make it a dude only site. Ladies have their verifyhim sites, guys have TER.
12. Contests are good. But what prizes can TER provide that ladies value enough to play?
13. Give away money to Miss TER. Start at something reasonable/small and then promise to grow it/double it as long as the number of ladies applying increases/more than doubles.
14. Pay for content.
This won't be popular with a lot of people but ...
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TER is for Gents (and virtual Gents.) In other words, reviews.
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Therefore the best thing TER could do for gents is to not let providers take down reviews.
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Just like restaurants and hotels can't take down reviews on those sorts of sites.
I have found the presence of providers in discussions sometimes valuable and often pleasant.
However, the main use of TER for me is the reviews. I have not connected through a providers' ad here yet.
So I don't think coaxing providers back in large numbers should be a high priority for TER management.
Rather, getting full flow of informative reviews -- the original and foundational value of TER -- should inform any changes that get made. Coax back the good, prolific, thoughtful reviewers instead!
To that end,
1. Explicitness should be explicitly encouraged, even required. Otherwise why bother reading?
2. Yes but -- it has been pretty easy in the past (and rewarded with days of VIP, too)
3. ??
4. Yes but -- not forever.
5. OK, but this doesn't especially attract clients and their reviews.
6. Not currently a problem.
7. ??
8. see 5
9. Attractive but not clear from a cost/benefit standpoint for TER as an enterprise. There must be an optimum length, and it's not clear to me what that would be.
If providers hate the "review culture" and stay on InstaTwatGram, that is of little matter to the primary value of TER. Let them advertise and promote elsewhere, with ever greater reach and efficiency; just don't diminish and pollute the flow of actionable review information here, please.
I don't believe the theory that F/S killed TER. It's been a huge obstacle, yes. But it's not lethal by itself. The life blood of TER is, always has been, and always will be, the huge body of detailed reviews which cannot be force-modified by the providers. That's always been what I value about the site; what will this provider do-specifically, what will she not do-specifically, and will I enjoy my time with her. I have yet to see an ad board or alternate review site that provides the consistently-detailed reviews that I find here. Oh sure, occasionally I see other review boards that have check boxes or multiple acronyms in their reviews, but you cannot really know if the reviewer knows what these terms mean. "GFE" is perhaps the best example. Even here mongers cannot agree exactly what GFE means in total, but we (almost?) all agree it contains at LEAST DFK and BBBJ. Too many reviews on other sites will say "GFE" but the description of the session explicitly sates LFK or no kissing and CBJ. There are no standards for these reviews while TER has a "legacy standard" that comes from 1,500,000 reviews!
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Why do I rant on about this? Because TER's health is poor due to a dearth of recent reviews on a large portion of active providers. That's what's killing the site. When the reviews come back, the value comes back as well. F/S essentially stopped new reviews (in the US) for a long time. Long enough that providers and mongers had to develop other sources; some good, many bad. Now just as the population of current reviews was increasing, COVID-19 fucked TER again (sorry, couldn't resist the imagery 
. But COVID will eventually pass. And new reviews will start to be added.
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Are all reviews perfect descriptions of TRUTH? Fuck no! But if you use the site for a while, a monger learns how to judge the judges, so to speak. We can see a reviewer's past reviews and scores, we can see his (or hers) consistent likes and dislikes and that allows us to discount portions of a review we believe are unfairly biased by the reviewer's personal tastes. That's still extremely difficult to do on other sites. Those reviews are typically too generic and the reviewer has too little history to allow the reader to calibrate his "truthiness".
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So, no disrespect to the OP, but tweaking rules is not the answer. Except for those rules which will let TER incent an increasing number of reviews for an increasing number of providers. That will get the blood flowing, and heal the site.
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That is THE mission.
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Life is good.
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Yeah, TER isn't what it used to be but I agree it's a little too soon to bury it. As other Posters have commented, it's going to take awhile for the word to get out it's back. Also, I agree this Covid-19 timing isn't helping either. The current situation has affected TER in more ways than just a health scare/risk. Let's not forget that unemployment is also off the charts not to mention reduced work hours. This is putting an economic crunch on many. Thus, less opportunity for Hobbying and less reviews. I also believe with shelter in place, this also lessens the opportunities of play time with Hobbyists who are married or are with SO's. Time will tell but I agree it's still too early to bury TER.
Maybe too late to recusistate but keep the 'politics' to the P and R board. It flooded over into the general board with all the baggage of bickering and sniping onto the GD board.
The moderating posts is good, but existing long-term members are still getting moderated.
We don't know what the traffic is with lurkers. I find the board still very useful. Have already saved a few pennies by avoiding mediocre providers, and found some new ones worth seeing.
The question should be how to increase visible traffic (posting in threads and creating GOOD threads). When COVID restrictions are gone and people, both providers and mongers, feel comfortable traffic will pick-up.
What can be done now and in the interim is keep the GD board, the GD board and not Politics and Religion.
I agree with the last couple posts above. I'm not very high volume as a client/john, but I do post reviews, and have a strong preference for seeing providers who have reviews. The girls who I've seen since TER reopened have been, for the most part, happy to be reviewed.
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I still find TER very useful as is. There's still a decent volume of new reviews in the DC area.
Maybe allow members to flag reviews for bullshit and require an explanation for why it’s bullshit? After a certain number of worthy reasons, TER initiates a discussion with the reviewer.
Just starting to notice more misleading reviews pop up than usual. Someone else mentioned a provider response function which does seem to work fairly well on another review site at least as far as I can tell.
Yes, on that other place the provider response feature is working well.
- Provider gets first look at your review;
- she gets to write one brief response;
- your review is posted with her response;
- done.
However, that place has a nasty reputation for letting providers "challenge" and suppress/remove reviews without consulting the reviewer. I would not want to see TER go that way.
That is NOT what we want for TER.
I know a lot of providers/clients alike seem to have forgotten this, but this place was NOT created as an ad venue for hookers, it was created with the mongers interests at heart. The guys have just become pussy whipped over the years, just like most of them are at home and have forgotten what a review site is supposed to be about.
It's hard enough to get a bunch of pussy whipped married guys who are cheating on the wives that have them beaten into submission to write an honest review in the first place, allowing hookers to browbeat them further before the review is even posted would make the site complete useless just like some of the other sites.
Agree. The reviews are client generated and should be objective and fair.
TER has an arbitration process if a dispute arises and is probably the most objective party that could settle any issues. We have discussion boards for the pissing contests about reviews if anyone want that.
The review/response part is working there. Responses, including "You never saw me", can be quite informative.
The suppress/remove part is a disaster. That's bad policy on the site's part, and could be corrected without changing the review/response part that does work.
Let's keep those concepts distinct while we're debating TER policy.
"Some" providers will simply challenge EVERY sub par review they get and EVERY non glowing review will start getting contested, not to mention most reviewers are not going to want confrontation every time they write a review. Reviewers are CUSTOMERS, this is not their livelihood and if you start filling their lives with drama every time they don't have the best experience with a hooker they are just going to quit writing reviews. Less reviews is a BAD thing for TER and that's why I doubt and I hope this policy will NEVER be adopted.
Can you even imagine if restaurant owners started contesting bad Yelp reviews with "you never ate here" lol
TER shouldn’t allow providers to delist. That is the only way to bring this site back.
To come back. I heard of some perfect 10/10 providers , who got delisted because of one bad review, harassed reviewer a little, slightly bad mouth TER . TER would not reactivate their profile.
You can of course get kicked off the site with BSC behavior which includes "harassing" a reviewer for writing an honest review you don't care for which is considered "review manipulation"
Look at it from TER's standpoint, how many guys are going to write honest reviews knowing that TER will allow them to be harassed by butt hurt hookers who don't like the truth.
BTW the more "perfect" 10/10 reviews I see in a row for a provider, the more suspicious I am that she is pressuring her reviewers into doing so. No woman can be all things to all men. Without an occasional 8 or 9 thrown in I simply don't believe "perfect" scores.
provider asks to be delisted, decides to leave TER when she gets not so perfect review .
Don't let the door hit her on the ass on the way out.
That's hardly TER's fault, not to mention why should she be free to harass a reviewer and then suffer no consequences? Reviewers should be encouraged to write honest reviews, and Admin should not encourage BSC hookers to brow beat the reviewers they don't like by allowing them to do so with no adverse consequences for doing so
Delisting should be forbidden. Now that twitter is the thing lots of escorts are delisting reviews here. Reviews are the lifeblood of this site. If you have a mass exodus, there is no reason for this site to exist.
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All past delisting should be reversed (assuming the records still exist.) And no further delisting should be allowed. Even if some escort is otherwise persona non grata, TER should keep the reviews, good or bad.
Some providers have reasons to delist that many here would find acceptable. If you stop all delistings, then maybe there should be a way to partially anonymize a Profile.
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E.g., some reasons are related to taking a real and important job (CIA, FBI, Starbucks barista, ..). Some reasons are related to stalking. Let her remove her phone number, URLs, and so on. Let her go over her reviews and ask for deletion of sensitive material.
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Before: "She parked her van outside my place. It had a custom paint job with a clown with a brown hat and a princess with tiara set with 14 diamonds and an emerald. She had a bumper sticker that said "Honor Society, Jack Dunphy High School." She came to the door ..."
After: "She parked her car outside my place. She came to the door ..."
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Before: "She has some incredible tats! [Description that would make her too easy to ID by a jilted boyfriend.] But then she made me forget about everything but her great BJ skills. "
After: "She has some incredible tats! But she made me forget about everything but her great BJ skills."
Delisting should be forbidden. Now that twitter is the thing lots of escorts are delisting reviews here. Reviews are the lifeblood of this site. If you have a mass exodus, there is no reason for this site to exist.
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All past delisting should be reversed (assuming the records still exist.) And no further delisting should be allowed. Even if some escort is otherwise persona non grata, TER should keep the reviews, good or bad.
Can contact TER , they immediately sent it to reviewer for editing .
I meant in cases where a review has been up for a long time and THEN, years later or approaching retirement, circumstances change enough to require delisting or anonymization, even without participation of the reviewer. There should be a mechanism for that.
Can contact TER , they immediately sent it to reviewer for editing .
Simple as that. There is always a suspicion when provider advertises everywhere, but it’s not on TER.
I think the biggest help would be to not allow providers to delist themselves, it is absurd to allow that.
There is no good reason to allow them to delist, it is a review site and if you allow them to delist because they get poor reviews then what good is this place
WE care about reviews of providers, plain and simple that is what the site is for
I think delisting should be stopped and all reviews from delisted providers be put back up.
These boards are nice but I look at reviews to see how someone is I am interested in
What they offer and are open to also. WIthout that I am not risking seeing them for the amount of money they want
I am not making a $400 mistake
I think TER is pretty much dead and is not coming back to anywhere near it was before
If they want to even have a chance at being near there again they need to not allow anymore delisting and
put back the reviews they have delisted
Until I start seeing new reviews grow to a large number then I would not bother with this place
I posted this before but if a provider has an established no review policy or communicates to the client that reviews are unwelcome, then posting a review is inappropriate. But other than that, if the review is legitimate, it should stand even if the provider later establishes a no review policy. The new delisting policy has resulted with most new reviews limited to half-hour and agency providers. But most of the young twitter hotties are nowhere to be found on TER. Even if a review shows up, it vanishes quickly. The new policy impairs TER and allows many providers to maintain their ridiculous rates and often times, their ridiculous smarter-than-everyone-else attitudes.-
I am pretty sure TER or any other site will run into some serious legal complication if they refuse to remove content about a person that is of such a non-public nature.
I'm pretty sure now with off-shoring, legalities are no longer a concern.
If they are actually running add that is not on scraper site think it is public.
Therefore someone can create a profile - no different then a restaurant .
Just my opinion and think that is the way it was .
Was amazed how many never knew they had a profile or even TER existed with the BP adds.
Re “There is no good reason to allow them to delist...”: I know some providers who delisted because TER refused to remove reviews that were blatantly false.
Some providers have a no-review policy from the start, yet someone posts a review (one or more).
I know other providers who delisted and went UTR because they were being stalked or otherwise felt threatened.
And of course many providers who’ve retired want to delist.
Why shouldn’t providers be allowed to delist under such circumstances?
Ok which other industry would you be ok with having a no review policy? Could you imagine auto companies demanding JD Power stop reviewing its vehicles?
People who retire that is a different story.
Keep in mind what we do is still illegal, there are some very good reasons for some providers to not want to be reviewed.
Trying to hide from "bad reviews" however is not one of them.
Reviews could be used as prima facie evidence.
That is a valid reason to not want to be reviewed. But most providers who delist aren’t delisting for that reason.
Ha, reviews would be considered hearsay, not admissible.
The hearsay would be someone reading the review and then saying something. If the review was used, the review is saying this is something I participated in. Not hearsay I think.
Of course a good lawyer will likely say the accuser is not available for cross questioning so is something of a violation of rights -- unable to confront the accuser -- but I suspect a little detail like that will not stop some of the DAs with an axe to grind (or election to win).
I'm sure. We all know reviews can be total works of fiction. Therefore you would need a live witness to attest to the contents of the review. If you have such a live witness, you have direct testimony and can ask the witness directly to recount his encounter. The review is therefore either hearsay or superfluous. Useless.
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And now, if a DA tried it it would be overruled by the judge. If not overruled by the judge it would be overruled on appeal. etc.
The answer is always it depends. Reviews could be considered prima facie evidence and used as justification to do an investigation to obtain admissible evidence. Prima facie just means "at first glance" - although a person would generally have to validate that a document/review is true for it to be admissible in most legal forums, Yelp and other reviews have been admitted as evidence. While the Federal Rules of Evidence generally prohibit hearsay evidence, there are always exceptions (state of mind, and about 2 dozen other exceptions).
to the hearsay rule is the business records exception, but you still need the custodian of records to verify that the document was kept as a business record and was created in the normal course of business. Not sure reviews would pass muster for that since the record was created by someone else and merely delivered to TER, even though it may have been kept by them as a "business" record. As others have said, a person receiving a document usually is not qualified to testify to its authenticity, so Lester's take is correct.
One that might get some traction for a review is the hearsay exception for a "declaration against interest", which just means by way of the review, you are admitting you broke the law. However, there would need to be corroborating evidence (testimony from the girl who participated with you) that your account of the event was more than just fiction, which, of course, is what you would claim.
I don't really think the issue of fake and totally fictional reviews is really defining characteristic of hearsay.
But let me ask, are you a trial lawyer or judge? Just curious if there is a fine point about hearsay and the legal definition/interpretation. The way you state this it sounds like any form of documentary evidence without also having the person who can be proven to have written the document cannot be used in a trial on the basis it is hearsay.
I find that surprising.
Then again, I'm not a lawyer so am frequently surprised at some of the standards courts use.
Suppose as a prosecutor you found a set of financial books that clearly implied some sort of illegal activity. But you couldn't establish who actually dealt with the books. You would start tracking down the transactions and see if you could find banking evidence, vendor records, etc. You always have to establish some witnesses (or third party records.) The books themselves may just be accountant training books. Who knows.
may find corroborative evidence that WOULD be admissible, but you may still not get the unverified documents in. However, you may not need them if the trail let to evidence that will stand on its own to meet the prosecutorial burden of proof.
Have a retired friend who with a new and sensitive job delisted over a year before TER shut down. Delisted in “good standing “ and to do so had to get all of her adds removed . Told me by doing that if she ever wanted to reactivate would easily be able to.
Do feel that TER makes it too hard to contest a review with all proof that something did not happen being on her.
I believe most everything I was going to contribute has been said, but I'll say it again. It's been a perfect storm. As I recall, there was a lot of animosity and distrust building up by a lot of the ladies regarding TER. Predominantly based on how they perceived they were treated with little or no recourse. Couple that with:
1. Lots of ladies have moved on and found success utilizing other venues and other social media platforms
2. Time it's taken for a lot of people to realize that it's back
3. Enter COVID - 19
4. Lots of ladies and guys from the old days have moved on for good via retired or opted not to come back
Just goes to show a board and/or social media platform for hobbyist and providers isn't much without great participation by the ladies. Case in point. Not much on this board and very few ladies participating. Perhaps it will change, but one thing for sure, it will never be the same again.
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I tend to be more in the camp that all reviews should stay and there shouldn't even be a process to dispute them. Ditto with profiles and not allowing delisting. However, I do feel that a lady should be able to provide a limited response such as "never met" or "I don't provide the services listed in the review," etc. If you are in this camp (everything stays), then you should also logically be in the camp that providers have some way to manage safety risks and such. Reviewers can manage risk of reprisal by using an alias to write reviews.
All easier said than done. We are not the ones receiving a "Cease and Desist" letter or having ladies threaten legal action. TER had to manage those risks. Probably why delisting is actually quite easy. Getting bad reviews removed is also easy for many ladies who have an established process in place for doing so.
I have been a hobbyist for several years now. I discovered AMPmaps 10 years ago, and looked only at the reviews to learn about massage providers. Then along came AAMPmaps with reviews for escorts which is when I learned about more adventures. Then things switched to EM, which was a great resource, with great reviews and pictures. I thought it was great and well designed. I would view the last several reviews and validate a consistency among them. It was easy to spot the few phony ones. Does anyone know what happened to EM?
When EM went silent , the PO referred me to TER to post reviews. But the problem with TER is there are very few current reviews, much of the lack of them due to COVID. Finally I am seeing some May reviews. I do not like the interface of TER as much as I liked EM, but I struggle thru.
The only purpose of all these sites in my mind is REVIEWS. Opinions of other guys to help guide decisions. Provider advertising is worthless. We do not need to cater to providers. They should be happy for us helping their business. I have scanned the other sites, twitter, switter, etc. With only a picture or two, and a hyped up description of the provider, they are worthless, and not worth the time to even view.
The success of TER will be made or lost based upon the guys submitting reviews. So please continue to submit.
...I've stuck around, through the highs and the lows, due to REVIEWS. I can say that only sites that I consistently is TER (and it's slow coming back to anything near useful) and a local board in my area that also still has reviews (although they've become less useful as most of the details are no longer available).
I've looked over the other sites and if I see a potential new playmate, I cross-check her against these two review sites. If she's not listed there, I pass.
Not gonna risk time, money or my safety on an unknown. I've been doing this (off & on) since 1992 and it's worked well for me, partly because I learned some of my lessons the hard way -- without reviews.