For that amount, you may be able to find a sugar daddie/sugar babe relationship that would be mutually beneficial.
I am spending $3000 - 5000 a month here (my average was 1500 - 2000 a month is most other countries, with similar frequency and quality). I do have a few regulars (4 of them in fact) that I see 2-3 times a month (each of them) and of course an occasional fling outside the regulars. I occasionally go on a binge to the bay area and spend about $1000 on Koreans over a weekend...
I am trying to keep the spending to a maximum of $3000 a month and I am hesitant to negotiate with my regulars as I do depend on the 4 of them to keep me sane (pickings are slim for my preference in my area).
So enough of the back story. My little head is beyond control - need some practical tips on ho you guys keep the money in control and also have fun at the same time...is negotiation ok with regulars? How do you handle the "urge" when your monthly quota is done? May be find a couple of quickie providers to help out when over budget??
Well - I am getting to the point when if this continues that I would need counselling for addiction as I have very little money left for my nest egg if I continue at this rate in USA.
How do you guys do it??????
I am new to USA (about months here now) and it is the most expensive place to hobby of all the countries I have lived/worked. I have primarily spent my time in Asian, South/Central American (Pura Vida Costa Rica) and also a few European countries with legal escorts systems...
I am spending $3000 - 5000 a month here (my average was 1500 - 2000 a month is most other countries, with similar frequency and quality). I do have a few regulars (4 of them in fact) that I see 2-3 times a month (each of them) and of course an occasional fling outside the regulars. I occasionally go on a binge to the bay area and spend about $1000 on Koreans over a weekend...
I am trying to keep the spending to a maximum of $3000 a month and I am hesitant to negotiate with my regulars as I do depend on the 4 of them to keep me sane (pickings are slim for my preference in my area).
So enough of the back story. My little head is beyond control - need some practical tips on ho you guys keep the money in control and also have fun at the same time...is negotiation ok with regulars? How do you handle the "urge" when your monthly quota is done? May be find a couple of quickie providers to help out when over budget??
Well - I am getting to the point when if this continues that I would need counselling for addiction as I have very little money left for my nest egg if I continue at this rate in USA.
How do you guys do it??????
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Special deals can be worked out for special johns. If you are lining their pockets to the degree you say, it should be easy.
Essentially what you would be doing is buying down their hours.
Being that loyal (2-3 times per month) should be reciprocated with some sort of arrangement.
But if you are really counting on hookers to keep you sane you might be a lost cause. LOL
Seriously though, don't let the know nothings get you down about this. The people here who have never negotiated a hooker in their lives are the ones that are most vocal about all the horrific things that can happen to you that never seem to materialize for me.
Work out a win/win scenario with your gals. Handle it like an adult and all should be fine.
They will get what they need and you will have a few extra sheckles in your wallet to make sure your whore mongering needs don't dry up monthly before your cash does. LOL
I have been able to work out deals with girls I see semi-regularly (more than a few times). I am guessing this is not uncommon.
However, I don't get hard core with the negotiation and, no doubt, Jack would laugh at my softness... After all - if you really want to get hard core negotiating - you have to be genuinely willing to walk away (and do it a few times). Helps if what you are negotiating is really a commodity - and - this really isn't unless you are seeing the wrong girls...
But I am not Jack. Not sure Jack is really Jack either - but I'll take his word for it.
If you can't work out a deal, move on
There is one portion I care about and that is what does he want in return? Because I have heard from hookers that some bargain hunters act like she is an all you can eat buffet.
I would be negotiating what happens and how often as well. No point in me giving a discount if I have to work twice as hard for less money. It has to be beneficial to BOTH parties and for a trick to say...well you are getting SOME money, better than none at all....with some hookers that will work. However I have read on this very board that some hookers are more than willing to forgo said money if the experience is hellacious. Not all money is worth it.
I don't do discounts however I am not at all bothered if a guy asks. Mind you I don't do multi hours so that makes a huge difference and Jacko does multihours where there might be some wiggle room so that both parties are happy. And if a guy is a decent human being and does not take advantage of the hooker, then she has some regular income. I am sure if a hooker was driven into the ground by a bargain hunter, she would be eternally busy the next time he wanted to book.
What about all that "connection" that hookers and lovelorn johns babble about ad nauseum here?
Doesn't that interest you?
I never thought you would be the B&G type.
Whatever works for your business model I guess.
I stick to the hour appointments...I can connect just fine in the hour. Not sure I really want to be "on" for more than that. Only so much I can take being with someone I am not attracted to. But the money is great!!!!!!!!! Leaves me plenty of time to have my fun with my choice
But as the saying goes "never gamble with scared money", you shouldn't hobby with scared money. It sounds like you have a healthy hobby budget though, $3k is pretty good. There are plenty of quality women that you could see on that budget.
Have fun.
and if you were spending $1500-2000 a month in Ticaland, there is no way you'll be able to maintain both the frequency and the quality for anything less than $5,000 a month here.
If five grand a month will start making you feel the pinch, you might consider a couple of SD/SB arrangements. I do feel your pain as I like to see someone different at least three to four times a week and I have yet to be able to get my "budget" down to anywhere even close to three grand a month. I take it you want to see someone at least every other day. I suppose if you could get your regs to accept $200 with the understanding you will see each of them roughly once a week, you could come close to your goal, but I think it's going to be tough.
If you ask how most guys "do it" the answer most of the time is "they don't" This is a rather expensive hobby in this country compared to most, but I still maintain it's cheaper than marriage.
Had to call out as Costa Rica is one of my two favorites country to hobby (along with Thailand), Holland and a few Europeans countries are good as well, but I prefer petite latina and asian girls...
Yeah, the money does not go the distance here...two of my regulars are from an Asian agency - tried sending a note to the Mamasan and no-go on discounts, even for longer sessions. Guess she know her girls have me by the balls 
...
I do try to set an action plan and even resorted to happy ending massage places when going over budget, but most have been crappy around here...
If five grand a month will start making you feel the pinch, you might consider a couple of SD/SB arrangements. I do feel your pain as I like to see someone different at least three to four times a week and I have yet to be able to get my "budget" down to anywhere even close to three grand a month. I take it you want to see someone at least every other day. I suppose if you could get your regs to accept $200 with the understanding you will see each of them roughly once a week, you could come close to your goal, but I think it's going to be tough.
If you ask how most guys "do it" the answer most of the time is "they don't" This is a rather expensive hobby in this country compared to most, but I still maintain it's cheaper than marriage.
much of it in Costa Rica and I too like petite Latinas and Asians.
One thing you might try is experimenting with a few different AMPs. I have found some sensational AMPs with full GFE, actually I have ended up with more than GFE on a few occasions, I have ended up with actual GFs, but I digress. If you find the right AMP, you can get a decent rotation of girls for right around the $200 hr range, but you might have to go through several rub and tug joints before striking gold.
Even Costa Rica is not as cheap as it once was, at least not in Jaco Beach. The "Jaco Beach Hookers Association" have been pretty effective at setting the standard at $150 hr of late, but of course there are dozens of chicas who will go for much much less and as you know, it's not considered a crime down there to negotiate with hookers. The Del Rey OTOH has been really slow for most of the girls and many of them I know claim to go days without a date so they are hardly holding firm on prices there.
Good luck, I know there is a lot of "sticker shock" in this country, but I am sure you will manage.
One other thing I might suggest, Agencies are rather loathe to negotiate, but indies are a different story. Try looking for indy or at least "semi indy" Asian ladies, they might reduce their rates for a regular that they like.
I'm assuming that the money you spend each month isn't cutting into other areas of your life.
The other guys have already mentioned good ideas about talking with your regulars to negotiate a discount.
But on a side note, you yourself said that your dick is out of control...that's disturbing.
If it truly is becoming an issue for you, maybe take some of that $5K a month you're spending and seek professional counseling?
I am spending $3000 - 5000 a month here (my average was 1500 - 2000 a month is most other countries, with similar frequency and quality). I do have a few regulars (4 of them in fact) that I see 2-3 times a month (each of them) and of course an occasional fling outside the regulars. I occasionally go on a binge to the bay area and spend about $1000 on Koreans over a weekend...
I am trying to keep the spending to a maximum of $3000 a month and I am hesitant to negotiate with my regulars as I do depend on the 4 of them to keep me sane (pickings are slim for my preference in my area).
So enough of the back story. My little head is beyond control - need some practical tips on ho you guys keep the money in control and also have fun at the same time...is negotiation ok with regulars? How do you handle the "urge" when your monthly quota is done? May be find a couple of quickie providers to help out when over budget??
Well - I am getting to the point when if this continues that I would need counselling for addiction as I have very little money left for my nest egg if I continue at this rate in USA.
How do you guys do it??????
Because, I can't control my urges for pussy very well, don't care to and have the funds to finance them.
Pussy good. P' P' Pussy real good
Why would a pussy hound further reduce his pussy budget by paying someone to tell him he has a problem?
He already knows he has a problem. His problem is a lack of money, that's why he's asking for ideas.
I have ZERO intentions of trying to control my urges. Why on earth would I want LESS pussy? Stupidest fucking idea I have ever heard of.
Hahaha!
I concede that's a good point. I don't think he has a *lack* of money though...I cannot fathom that $5000 a month wouldn't satisfy any itch he needs to scratch.
I love pussy as much as anyone else here, please don't get me wrong...but there's more to life, well, for me anyway, than pussy. As to urges, yeah, I get urges to run people over, plunder, rape, and smoke crack but I don't give in to any of them. You know, like an adult in control of his own mind and all.
(Shouldn't have to write this, but just in case, I don't really have urges to kill and rape, just dramatic examples 
He already knows he has a problem. His problem is a lack of money, that's why he's asking for ideas.
I have ZERO intentions of trying to control my urges. Why on earth would I want LESS pussy? Stupidest fucking idea I have ever heard of.
Is it really so odd for a guy to want to fuck a different woman every day? So what's wrong with only acting on your urges every other day?
Personally, I like to get laid at least once a day, preferably somewhere between 7-10 times a week. In the other countries the OP mentioned he has lived in, scratching that kind of itch is something many if not most of us can afford, no more than a couple of grand a month. In this country pussy is a lot more expensive and you can't scratch that itch as well even for $5,000 a month. I know EXACTLY what he is talking about as I right in the same boat as him, five grand a month on pussy, even in a lower cost city like Dallas is about the bare minimum someone like me or the OP is going to need to budget in order to see even 2-3 different women a week, which is the very least amount of pussy I can content myself with. I simply suck it up and pay the freight, but it looks like the OP is starting to feel the financial pinch of being a whoremonger with a healthy appetite in this country.
I'm simply in a different bracket than the OP and you.
Last month i saw 5 escorts...and that's unusually high for me.
Usually 2 is enough to quell my urges.
In my personal relationships if I'm getting laid 3 times a week I'm quite satisfied. Anything above that is gravy.
Though for the record, my job can be quite physically demanding, so it's not uncommon for me to be too tired to do anything but eat dinner and watch a little Netflix.
Personally, I like to get laid at least once a day, preferably somewhere between 7-10 times a week. In the other countries the OP mentioned he has lived in, scratching that kind of itch is something many if not most of us can afford, no more than a couple of grand a month. In this country pussy is a lot more expensive and you can't scratch that itch as well even for $5,000 a month. I know EXACTLY what he is talking about as I right in the same boat as him, five grand a month on pussy, even in a lower cost city like Dallas is about the bare minimum someone like me or the OP is going to need to budget in order to see even 2-3 different women a week, which is the very least amount of pussy I can content myself with. I simply suck it up and pay the freight, but it looks like the OP is starting to feel the financial pinch of being a whoremonger with a healthy appetite in this country.
Its not like you can take it with you ...
OK Joke time
3 guys die on Christmas Eve. and St. Peter greets them.
St. Peter tells them that in order to enter Heaven they must find something that represents the spirit of Christmas out of what is in their pockets.
1st guy reaches into his pockets and pulls out a lighter and says it represents the Christmas candle. Very good St. Peter says in you go.
2nd guy checks his pocket and finds some keys, jingling them all about. He says the keys represent the bells they ring on Christmas day. Very good St. Peter says in you go.
3rd guy checks his pockets looking for something and pulls out a pair of women's panties. St. Peter cries what in Gods name have they got to do with Christmas...........
The guy says well there ah ... They ah, ... are Carol's
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Once a client attempts to negotiate, I feel cheap and don't want to see him even at my regular rate anymore.
But there has to be some low-cost providers or 30min providers in your area, if you're open to seeing women outside your preferences. Just be safe about it, make sure she is reputable, etc
I can't imagine how a woman who sees a guy 2-3 times a month would be made to feel "cheap" if the guy mentions how we would love to see her more often, but can't afford the freight? She can say no of course, but I don't see how that's the least bit offensive.
Well it would certainly make things uncomfortable.
Which would put a damper on the session, at the very least.
I would feel bad knowing he is stretching his budget for me. But I also know that I'm absolutely worth my full rate.
I'm also not hurting for business, so I would rather him just see me less then ask to negotiate.
This is just my point of view. I'm sure not every lady agrees with me!
When they agree to a lower than advertised rate, they, in my experience, provide a session that I expect. I have seen no discernible drop off in attitude or performance. If I did, why would I see them again and again?
That's another myth that pervades this board. That professional escorts who take less than MSRP are tanking all these sessions. Its a crock. And it constantly comes from guys who swear they never negotiate. So how could they possibly know? LOL
Again, like I said most are big girls and accept their end of the bargain and they also have the added incentive of a possible bad review.
There just isn't any upside to tank, and in my experience, they don't.
That if I was to agree to a discounted session and the trick took advantage of me, I would tank the darn thing. I would be very clear and actually say ...".the discount does not entitle you to act like a fat person at an all you can eat buffet...enough is enough...act like a respectable human being or get out".
In fact I have tanked a few for arrogance and roughness and hygiene issues. Not afraid to do so
You admit to being dumb enough the be taken advantage of?
Whenever one poses a change to any relationship, there is a risk of a "break up."
Since I don't get emotionally attached to escorts, it isn't a problem for me.
BUT...with the several girls I see regularly, we have open communication and if things were only bad on the financial side of the deal, I would be frank and discuss it with her/them.
I have always said approach is everything in p4p.
Some here think my initial contact is "bitch, will you take $50 less to fk me?" I really think this is how some here think it goes down.
Its nothing like that at all. These women are small business owners when you get right down to it. They can, and do, make business decisions on a daily basis.
Working out special deals with special guys is just one of many decisions they are more than capable of making for themselves if it is in there own best interest to do so
Do those who are seeing clients on grandfathered rates tank their session also.
Do you have any of your original clients at a lower rate and do they receive less because of it.
I am aware of a lot of grandfathering of rates and do not think that those clients receive less effort and menu than a full rate new by.
For that amount, you may be able to find a sugar daddie/sugar babe relationship that would be mutually beneficial.
I am spending $3000 - 5000 a month here (my average was 1500 - 2000 a month is most other countries, with similar frequency and quality). I do have a few regulars (4 of them in fact) that I see 2-3 times a month (each of them) and of course an occasional fling outside the regulars. I occasionally go on a binge to the bay area and spend about $1000 on Koreans over a weekend...
I am trying to keep the spending to a maximum of $3000 a month and I am hesitant to negotiate with my regulars as I do depend on the 4 of them to keep me sane (pickings are slim for my preference in my area).
So enough of the back story. My little head is beyond control - need some practical tips on ho you guys keep the money in control and also have fun at the same time...is negotiation ok with regulars? How do you handle the "urge" when your monthly quota is done? May be find a couple of quickie providers to help out when over budget??
Well - I am getting to the point when if this continues that I would need counselling for addiction as I have very little money left for my nest egg if I continue at this rate in USA.
How do you guys do it??????
With a SB, you have to listen to and put up with the drama.
It's so worth it to me to not have to deal with the drama.
You pay a provider to leave, and that's a beautiful thing.
I never HAVE to listen to anyone's drama, and certainly not one I am paying.
How long have you been here???
I said, and quite clearly, that if you get a SB you have to listen to and put up with drama. And that with providers you don't have to.
I swear, it's like banging ones head against the wall with you.
I'm finished doing so, but please read first, then react.
You DONT have to put up with drama from SB's either.
I wouldn't listen to an SB's drama laden drivel any more than any other hooker.
Why are you so scared of SB's???
I was wondering after you reappeared, what kind of a prick does one have to be to get a time out from a fuck board. You have illustrated exactly, and now I know for certain.
In my mind, I picture you as a car salesman, and I think car salesmen are pond scum (I appologize to pond scum for the analogy).
My hands are washed of you, schoolboy.
And btw, in what country can school boys be car salesman? 
You pay a hooker to show up...she wants to leave, and move on to the next thing in her life
Is there a good website/reviews on how to find sugar babes? Any pointers? When I Google - there is tons of stuff, any pointers will be helpful...
I am spending $3000 - 5000 a month here (my average was 1500 - 2000 a month is most other countries, with similar frequency and quality). I do have a few regulars (4 of them in fact) that I see 2-3 times a month (each of them) and of course an occasional fling outside the regulars. I occasionally go on a binge to the bay area and spend about $1000 on Koreans over a weekend...
I am trying to keep the spending to a maximum of $3000 a month and I am hesitant to negotiate with my regulars as I do depend on the 4 of them to keep me sane (pickings are slim for my preference in my area).
So enough of the back story. My little head is beyond control - need some practical tips on ho you guys keep the money in control and also have fun at the same time...is negotiation ok with regulars? How do you handle the "urge" when your monthly quota is done? May be find a couple of quickie providers to help out when over budget??
Well - I am getting to the point when if this continues that I would need counselling for addiction as I have very little money left for my nest egg if I continue at this rate in USA.
How do you guys do it??????
I have no personal experience with this, but it seems like this question comes up every now and then on TER. Do a search on the forums here. Or you could start another topic by asking.
I tried the whole sugar baby thing, because I figured I would be getting myself a "discounted steady provider" basically. And that I could ditch the provider eventually. Who am I kidding? I can't give up my provider. She's amazing and can't be replaced. Ad no way could I ever stop seeing my sugar baby. She is my Angel.
So now instead of having one expensive habit, I have two.
Not how I planned for this to work!
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Move to the MidWest
Same quality, way less expensive
Or, you can get realistic. You seem to be trying to reconcile an apples and elephants comparison. You’re not in central/south America/Asia anymore. You mention the Bay area…..well….in the US it’s hard to find a more expensive city to live in unless you want to try NYC or LA? Seattle, perhaps? DC?
Asking your regulars for a discount is certainly an option. Just be prepared for silence from the other end after you ask (hey, if you’re seeing 4 ladies, 2-3 times a month each, and only spending 5K you’re not exactly paying high rates to begin with).
If you want to reduce your monthly expenses from ~5K /mo to closer to what you were spending in a completely different economy, you have you account for the fact that providers in the US can’t buy a kilo of tortillas for less than 50 cents. Everything is more expensive, by a factor of 2…maybe 3.
Doing some simple math, based on the numbers you provided and what you want to spend, you really might as well ask your 4 regulars for the “buy 2 get one free discount”. Good luck with that.
Your options are:
Ask your regulars for a steep discount (again…good luck), pay the generally going rate and see fewer sex workers, or leave the US
Believe it or not, except for rents and anything labor related, including P4P, most things in Costa Rica are every bit as expensive as here in the US. and yes that even includes tortillas although you don't see a lot of tortillas once you get south of Mexico.
Aside from that, you are absolutely correct that a guy with the appetite of the OP (or myself) is NOT going to be able to keep his budget at anything less than $5,000 a month and even $5,000 is not really a realistic goal.
But still…. baring a few types of items that will cost you the same---or, in some cases, more than in the US (like…water/milk/eggs/gasoline/buying a car or electronics or US brand-name clothing….), the cost of living is measurably lower in CR than the US, overall. Maybe not AR….or MS. But a few US cities are consistently at the top of the most expensive cost of living list.
Surely you know how much it costs in the Bay area to rent a walk-in closet to live in….lol…Prostitution is also legal in CR, so the ladies don’t have that risk hangin’ over their head.
Just a reality check for the OP…..which seems, to me, much more useful than advising him to start asking for a discounts….lol…
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Indices Difference Info
Consumer Prices in Costa Rica are 22.07% lower than in United States
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Costa Rica are 33.45% lower than in United States
Rent Prices in Costa Rica are 57.46% lower than in United States
Restaurant Prices in Costa Rica are 33.98% lower than in United States
Groceries Prices in Costa Rica are 25.02% lower than in United State
Rent prices are most definitely lower in CR than anywhere in the US, but restaurant prices are right on par with US restaurants and groceries are most definitely HIGHER than in the US.
What really sucks for the locals is that the average wage earner in CR makes less than a grand a month, but has a cost of living, except for rent, every bit as high as the US. If you are a tico with a "normal" job grocery shopping consists of a lot of "arroz y frijoles" Why do you think "Gallo pinto" is so popular?
Costa Rica wasn't always so expensive, I hate to say this, but "us gringos" have really fucked up that country. The locals now make about twice as much take home pay as they did 10-15 years ago, but their cost of living has gone up by at least a factor of five.
All I’m saying is, the cost of living in CR (or anywhere south of north)---even with the increased prices of many basic commodities, as a result of gringo influence in some locations (like CR) and, yes, the general fuckery to the locals as a result, living in CR *still* costs less than living in SanFran (or, any major city, USA).
And, this impacts the *perception* of cost of pussy, in the US. If the Ticas in CR have unionized and decided that 150 US/per hr is the desired rate, that's not all that far off from the general hry rate in US when you factor in the diff in economy (double the rate).
You can slice it however you like. But as someone living SOB at the moment, I know first-hand that being able to cut monthly rent/mortgage expenditure (alone) by more than half is HUGE. Add in the lower cost of [almost] everything else and I need LESS THAN half of what I needed (to live well) en el Norte. I’m not existing on "arroz y frijoles".
Yes my cost would go up in CR. But still not even close to what they would be in any ciudad importante en los Estados Unidos---unless I decided to spend that much
Even with cold calling discounts from the favorites, deals and holiday specials from brokers, it means more funds available for the next. With lack of discipline, it's real hard to stay away from the temptations when they keep coming to you at will. Good luck on turning down on an overnight for the price of 3 hrs., 4 hrs for the price of 2 hrs, or come over for a home made meal for a price of one hour.
We all know about balancing the budget. The hardest part is how to manage the work stresses and down time without often going to the ATM. Btw, my bank manager and the tellers know my name and the girls real well. F'king pervs! lol
That said, one of things I'm trying now is doing some meaningful volunteer work, accepting more work social invitations and spending a bit more time with family and friends. It's not easy when working with gorgeous women on the floor or constantly getting texts of special deals, picture-perfect asses an breasts blowing up daily. Lastly, stay away from TER would be a good first step. lol
It's a one day one step kind a deal.
Ps. are you experiencing an alarming rate of increasing alcohol consumption by any chance? We can talk about that too. lol