safe sex. In light of our earlier discussions about BBFS, I began thinking. Were condoms originally designed for safe sex or birth control?

They are now principally used and promoted as a means of safe sex but what was their original intent.

I can recall seeing a movie a loooong time ago in which a first timer was ask if he brought a condom. There was no discussion of STD's the concern expressed was to be assure that the girl involved did not get pregnant.

When I was in college in the early 70's, STD's weren't that prevalent and my girlfriend and I never used condoms. She was my first and I am reasonably sure I was her first so our biggest concern should have been not to get her pregnant. She didn't get pregnant but not because we were careful but rather fortunate.

Anyway here is the question ... Were condoms originally created for birth control or safe sex?

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I don't know about their original intentions, but I never worried about STD's until sometime in the eighties. Unitl then I only used condoms to prevent pregnacy. I have to admit, in the seventies I rarely used condoms and I too was more lucky than careful.

i am beginning to the think safe sex is an oxymoron anyway.  i used condoms to prevent pg. in 70s and then w/the move to the south in the 80s stds and aids became the concern

You may call yourself OFF, but you are actually too young.  When I went to college in the early 60's, before medications for birth control, condums were used for birth control.   However, in those days birth control was itself a big issue, so that were called "prophylactics" to emphasize their help in preventing various venereal diseases.

We used them for birth control because the STDs around at that time were fairly much under control

when a shot of penicillin/penecellin, oh fuck it. When a shot in the ass would cure just about anything you could catch.

Now there's shit out there that will kill you.

LOL!

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I lost my virginity on February 11, 1963 to "Diane" - a redhead.  I was barely 17 and she was 19.  The "older woman" syndrome    We used a "rubber" so that the Baby Batter did not meet the Fresh Eggs and make a screaming monster.

Like others who posted we played "Baby Roulette" for awhile...on and off with the protection.  In that time period wearing a condom/rubber/prophylactic was like wrapping your dick with a Goodyear Polyglass Tire! (anybody remember those?

Alas, a couple of bad things happened
1)  Diane dropped me like a cum soaked rag
2)  2 years later the Baby Roulette caught up to me with another gal and I had to marry her.  That marriage was full of WILD sex - anything you can think of we did it.  But she gained 100lbs in 5 years and became a bitch.  The "Big D" happened and I should have wrapped my entire body in a condom.

OK...more than you all wanted to know.

p.s.  Diane? What an ass!

condom is safe. We should follow the example of UCSF and use the term "safer sex" in place of "safe sex."

You often see statements like, "BBFS is like Russian roulette." There is one person in the BBFS thread that even compares BBFS to Russian roulette with all chambers loaded.

If BBFS is like Russian roulette then CFS is also like Russian roulette but with fewer chambers loaded. The gun is not completely unloaded because condoms are not 100% effective in preventing the transmission of STDs.

One problem with the analogy is that most revolvers only have six chambers and we can't have a fraction of a chamber loaded. Condoms reduce the number of bullets in the gun by a factor of about 20 for gonorrhea (95% effective) and 7 for HIV (86% effective).

If we had a revolver with 7000 chambers in the cylinder we could make the analogy more exact.

The gun isn't loaded unless your partner is infected. Most estimates are that about 1% of the population is HIV positive and I believe the fraction of the population with gonorrhea is much less. A recent STD test pretty well assures the gun is unloaded. In the absence of such a test there is a small chance the gun is loaded.

If the male partner has gonorrhea essentially all of the 7000 chambers are loaded for a lady giving a BBBJ and only 350 are loaded if she gives a CBJ.

If the male partner is HIV positive about 14 chambers are loaded for the lady in BBFS and only 2 are loaded in CFS.

The odds are better covered, but it is Russian roulette both ways.


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In Russian roulette, your odds of dying under the optimum scenario are 1 in 6.

Having BBFS with someone you don't know (1% chance of having HIV) using your numbers gives the lady a 1 in 49,500 chance of contracting HIV.

It seems to me that the Polish roulette analogy has much more validity than Russian roulette.

I started high school back in 1963.  My father was using condoms for birth control at the time.  I never heard anything whatsoever about STDs in those years.

There was no such thing as sex education where I grew up, either.  Throughout high school, the biggest concern was not getting a girl pregnant.  It was a big deal to have a condom in your wallet in case you "got lucky" and scored somehow.