ends far before passing out. simply being under the influence is a put off. it's not a question of whether i can hear "yes" or "no", it is a question of whether the other's faculties are imapired to the point where there is some doubt that it's the tequila talking.
there is a saying about how a session of drinking might progress:
"first the person drinks the bottle, then the bottle drinks the person, then the bottle drinks the bottle."
one passes out when the bottle can't drink the bottle anymore. at the point where the bottle has drunk the person, i'd lose interest.
This is a trick question but I'm asking anyway. Providers often do distasteful things for money including allowing gross guys access to their bodies. Does that remove their right to turn down sex from a hobbyist? Does it move the consent line to a more liberal interpretation? Is date rape still possible? I want to be clear that I'm not talking about rape fantasies, but actual intercourse without consent. There is a point to this but I'd like opinions before I unveil the rest.
I have no clue who the OP is. And as far as I know I am not part of the "good ol' boys club", but I disagree with you.
I feel he went about it all wrong and in a way that is in bad taste. But the point he is trying to make is legitimate. That there is really bad people in the hobby and we need to be careful, and that we should do our best to protect the each other from those bad apples.
I don't think he should be banded, moderated, have his alias or his post pulled. Look I know a few people that was raped doing this. My wife among them. If this post gets one provider to screen better, and watch how much she drinks it was worth its annoyance factor. If it makes us all more observant so much the better, maybe we can stop some of it.
Yes he went to far but that is forgivable. I have a whole lot of emotions tied up in this issue. More then I care to admit. But even though it pisses me off, the issue of rape must be talked about. I respect you HalfHour reviews or no, and we often agree but I disagree with you on this. His post should stand as is.
P.S. It is rare I defend an alias, but in this case the alias is warranted. Damn, I hate standing with the aliases, but they do have a point.
That mods and former mods have learned to look deeper into posts because we've read so damned many of them, and we can see when there is a valid point.
You don't even want to discuss the point. You seem fixated on the baiting aspect and style. To mods and former mods, that just indicates that you are a wannabe board cop who just wants to see themselves on the board stirring extraneous shit.
BTW, I never defended the baiting aspect, and never engaged anyone but you (in this post) who was "enraged at the baiting." I only tried to point out the underlying point of the thread when it was either missed or intentionally ignored.
BTFW, you talk about baiting, but isn't that EXACTLY what your post is? You don't care about the thread topic, you just wanted to troll some chum out there for a hit. I only rose to it because you used to be a great poster in your previous incarnation and I don't get why you've gone rogue under this new handle.
Please calm down ladies. I agree with you. I'll admit to a tiny bit of baiting but only to make a point. If you were at a group function with other hobbyists and providers and had a bit too much to drink, would you, er, should you become fair game for a sex crazed hobbyists with eyes on your personal parts? Does your lack of ability to hold your liquor coupled with working in a sex industry make you fair game? I believe that it's rape pure and simple, and that the person caught doing it should be castrated and left for dead with his dick in his mouth. Now that I've got your attention, please feel free to comment. I appreciate the PM's from the mods asking that I make my point before pulling a controversial thread.
Strike two.... Telling the women to calm down when you are sitting here prompting that rape is OK? I have to say that I am failing to comprehend your original point and your furthermore your clarification below...
Rape is not a sex crazed act... It is a forcible act of violence and control and really isn't about sex at all.
Would it be OK if you were forcibly raped by another man because you had to much to drink? Because you enjoy having sex? Get real.... Or are you really lacking the intelligence.
Posted By: Alias69.5
Please calm down ladies. I agree with you. I'll admit to a tiny bit of baiting but only to make a point. If you were at a group function with other hobbyists and providers and had a bit too much to drink, would you, er, should you become fair game for a sex crazed hobbyists with eyes on your personal parts? Does your lack of ability to hold your liquor coupled with working in a sex industry make you fair game? I believe that it's rape pure and simple, and that the person caught doing it should be castrated and left for dead with his dick in his mouth. Now that I've got your attention, please feel free to comment. I appreciate the PM's from the mods asking that I make my point before pulling a controversial thread.
Thanks for the implied threat though. I hope it makes you feel important. The question in plain English for the reading impaired is: if a hobbyist purposely gets a provider shitfaced drunk at a meet & great and then has sex with her when she's passed out, is that rape? For the really stupid people in the room, I'm not talking about myself. Perhaps I should use crayons for the next post, so I don't go over anyone's head.
I HAVE to hit you with an Ed Lover "C'MON SON" ..... if she's passed out drunk guess what ..... it's still rape.....her chosen profession doesn't make it okay to f*uck her while she'll passed out. 99.9999999 infinity % sure she'd be pissed as hell if she woke up in the middle of it or finds out what happened afterwards. If it happened to me i'd be making damn sure a motherfather was going to jail and someone is getting registered as a sex offender.
Posted By: Alias69.5
Thanks for the implied threat though. I hope it makes you feel important. The question in plain English for the reading impaired is: if a hobbyist purposely gets a provider shitfaced drunk at a meet & great and then has sex with her when she's passed out, is that rape? For the really stupid people in the room, I'm not talking about myself. Perhaps I should use crayons for the next post, so I don't go over anyone's head.
"I HAVE to hit you with an Ed Lover "C'MON SON" ..... if she's passed out drunk guess what ..... it's still rape.....her chosen profession doesn't make it okay to f*uck her while she'll passed out."
I read that to mean that you're still trying to convince the OP that it is rape and that her being a provider doesn't excuse it when he has written time and again that he understands and agrees with that. This quote was from a direct reply to the OP.
So this happened at a get together where everybody was drunk, being drunk doesn't mean your moral compass is broken or shut off. Everyone replying to this post seems to realize what happened was wrong, but at the time it did happen and it was going down nobody there cared enough to do anything about it. So you think the group mentality made people less likely to do anything. Like the way people will gather around to watch a fight or gawk at a car accident but won't try to help. Most people really don't give a fuck about any but themselves; and won't try to help anyone until it can no longer be avoided, they just won't admit it.
Be made because of who the victim is. IMHO, This doesn't need to be pulled because the responses should be heard loudly and clearly from Providers and Hobbyists alike.
Rape is rape. Black and white, no grey area to be found. Did you really think someone would post a contradictory opinion, even hiding behind an alias? Imho, this thread should have been pulled immediately, as what possible value does it provide?
Posted By: A_Former_Mod_Named_DC.
Be made because of who the victim is. IMHO, This doesn't need to be pulled because the responses should be heard loudly and clearly from Providers and Hobbyists alike.
What's wrong with underscoring again, for those dimwits who need it, that "consent" is something you can't skirt around, and that anything else is rape?
Did you read this post? It's got nothing to do with a contradictory opinion. In fact, the lacl of opposing opinions is my exact point. The event described REALLY HAPPENED! People know about it and didn't seem to give a shit about it. Somehow behind a keyboard, everyone is appalled. Why didn't anyone bash the guys fucking brains in? Why do they continue to hang out with him? Why is is OK?
Just to make you feel better, I read the rules for posting again. I still can't find the part that requires it to have value. Did you ever read the stream of consciousness coming from MP67? Not much there adds value yet he posts a ton. About the alias. I did that just to piss you off. If it will make you feel better, I can send you a PM.
My point was that no one would post with an opposite opinion...as far as actually happening, the original post as I read it, did not imply that it actually happened, it was a question of if it did happen, so responses are one sided as they should be . No need for the "crayon" attitude, as you are obviously closer to this than the casual reader who happens upon a post asking if rape is ok? It's not, as the guy should be castrated, end of story.
Now that is screwed up. If I seen someone getting raped I would put a stop to it in a most painful way for the raper. I may not be in the best health but I am a mobile 400 pounds and bench well over half my weight. I am too close to some victims of rape to let it slide. I know what it can do to a person. Rape no matter who you are messes you up.
Rape is always wrong. Those that commit such acts deserve to lose their ability to rape by forcible removal of genitalia with a dirty dull knife then having their genitalia fed to them. Too bad we just send them to jail. Very few things are unforgivable, rape is damn close to it.
Are you serous that people at this meet and greet just sat there and watched the drunk provider get raped? If so they are nearly as bad as the scum that did the raping. There all scum every fucking one of them. There is no excuse for not helping some one being raped unless you fear for you own life. Where the fuck did this happen?
Damn, we all need to watch out for each other. This fucking shit pisses me off.
It's not like this happened AT a meet and greet with everyone watching like some kind of rape scene from a movie on a pinball machine. It happened because of a meet and greet. Get the difference? And yes, many share your rage and think that the offending 'party' (or host) should have their dick sliced very slowly with razor blades only until the blood clots and the next cuts can be made. Oops. That was me that said that and not you. My bad.
Still the guy should be fed his genitalia. The guys that knowingly hang with a rapist are still scum. Unless the razor blade is dull and he is fed the slices I like my idea better. At least we both agree that is junk should be removed very painfully.
For one, my posting is for my entertainment and on occasion someone else appreciates it.
As far as your story about a lady getting raped at a M&G repulses me. No one did anything about it is just as bad. But I fucking guarantee if I was there that wouldn't have gotten very far. I'd been the one to 'bash the guys fucking brains in', pure and simple.
You do NOT treat a woman like that. Provider or not. No means no, and if the lady was unconscious, where's the fucking fun in that? Why not go to the morgue and take your pick? Is that any less sick than a rapist?
So, I would appreciate it if you didn't include me, without my consent, to such a controversial thread. PM my drunk ass first. You might be surprised what I stand for and will or will not put up with as far as other people's actions.
I had a much better response but it got pulled. Apparently you're getting just as well protected as your boy. Congrats to you both for however you pulled that trick off.
without the line "this is a trick question", you would have received a much different response than you did. If this indeed happened at an M&G and no one did anything to stop it, then everyone there (who was aware of what was happening) was an accessory to rape and are as guilty as the assailant himself.
Of course it's out of bounds. PS: Just wondering if it was a freudian slip that you mis-spelled "therapist." Could it be because subconsciously your realized it could be deconstructed into "the rapist?" Sorry if I seem to be making fun re the subject. That definitely is not the case. Forcible sex is no joke.
Her vagina is hers unless she tells you otherwise, my vagina is mine UNLESS I tell you it's yours and for how long it's yours.
No, stop it, quit it .... all those mean BTFU. Once consent is revoked for you to do something that means fun is over unless you enjoy jail and penis you don't want too.
Posted By: Alias69.5
This is a trick question but I'm asking anyway. Providers often do distasteful things for money including allowing gross guys access to their bodies. Does that remove their right to turn down sex from a hobbyist? Does it move the consent line to a more liberal interpretation? Is date rape still possible? I want to be clear that I'm not talking about rape fantasies, but actual intercourse without consent. There is a point to this but I'd like opinions before I unveil the rest.
and i hope you get gang-banged by donkeys while trolls casually takes a poll asking people if they think it is okay. "There is a point to this but I'd like opinions before I unveil the rest." okay, the point is the OPoster is a moron with no point. And I really don't have a clue what the moderators are thinking as far as this whole thread goes. Anyway, yes, rape and stupid questions about it get at my anger issues. and while the donkeys are banging you, may your troll brothers be tickling your ass with a feather.
I'm just asking a question. Why aren't you mad at the douchebag that got a provider passed out drunk and raped her? Nooooo, you wanna be mad at me just because I have a thing for your sister Eeyore.
after they've had another hour with you so my poll has a solid statistical sample. Moron, you just made the following points: 1. you know about a capital crime against someone in this community. 2. you and your friends are too weak to do anything about it. 3. you're so stupid, you post it here like it's coffeetalk and you can't even get to the point. 4. you think you're clever annoying people this way.
good luck with all that anywhere other than you're little cyber-world. you're right though, the drunks here ARE annoying. so what is your point comparing yourself to them?
Maybe, just fucking maybe, the message is for the OTHERS at the M&G WHO DIDN'T THINK IT WAS WRONG and not for the POS rapist who may or may not get the message another way. MAYBE, the message through this medium is to show the ones who will attend the next M&G that they need to keep their fucking eyes open and put a stop if they see it again.
Stop trying to be the tough guy and just fucking think for a minute. Do you honestly think that the OP and the Mods who edited the post think that THIS is the way to get through to the rapist, or does it make more sense that a different audience is trying to be reached. An audience that you've just been told did NOT see anything wrong with the scenario. Yet after you were told this, you STILL want to make tough guy arguments.
Jesus Fucking Christ on a Bloody Cross, don't people think anymore.
or the approach to the subject. stop "explaining" it. who doesn't know what rape is, doesn't believe it's wrong, and doesn't know enough to do something about it. and i assure you i'm not a tough guy, though I did just wolf down some red meat, so i'm ready to stay pissed off. summary: the whole thread is as lame as the initial act that finally gets described. also, i'm still pissed and will have to sleep angry tonight. i'm fucking pissed.
You keep stubbornly insisting on drawing the wrong intention of the thread because you see the word rape and can't see anything else.
He's neither defending, nor condoning, he's exposing what happened in a round about way. Maybe it could have or should have been clearer, but if you read the damned thread, or just his posts in it, you'll see his real point.
and your posts should summarily skipped for being intentionally stupid. As for the alias, my initial response included a reply about pulling the post, so I identified myself as the former mod so that my opinion had that experience behind it. Once I used it, I had to keep using it.
BTFW, you POS who doesn't think before he posts, I didn't lose the fucking "job," I had to step back for personal reasons.
I'm done with you. You just went into the column of the Stubbornly Stupid in my book.
What they do for a living does not remove any of their rights regarding what they do with their bodies. The consent line is not moved and there is no more liberal interpretation. Date rape IS possible and does happen, especially when alcohol is involved.
One thing is for sure. The women of Atlanta should be very careful tonight. I hear tell there's a M&G there tonight, and that's a town with some creepy fucks in it.
That's what happens when you fuck your sister, cousin, and mother and think it will turn out well. Those inbred fuckers don't even know they lost the war yet!
Theres some great guys here in ATL please do not let one rotten apple spoil the bunch! To answer the OT YES its absolutely rape! Should be dealt with in the same manner as a rapist! Jailed and castrated!!
This is BS, as Nicole stated in the first response. It's not an interesting question or issue, because there's only one acceptable response, and it was stated by almost all posters.
i actually knew a provider who was a real heavy drinker, a few dui's, would get completely shitfaced on her own as she was an alcoholic. anyway come to read several reviews when she was at her worse where the guys tell of the girl passing out while they are fucking her or during a blowjob. NO JOKE. i don't know what that would be if she passed out face down ass up and they just finished? also many years ago when I was a heavy drinker, i have had sex that I did not remember and was only informed of such the next day.would that be considered date rape? as i really could not give consent in the state I was in the times I could not remember having sex.
but again to answer your question, unless it was agreed upon between the 2 that they wanted to get shitfaced and then do an appointment, anything other then that is 100% not cool and ILLEGAL! That guy should be outed to the ladies boards, and hopefully charges will be pressed. I don't see the difference between slipping the girl the date rape drug or getting her intentionally drunk so he could take advantage of her.
however, i have seen worse things and some of those "boys clubs"... they just fucking sicken me the shit they pull and are allowed to get away with. string the fucker up by his balls I say.
It appears you started a shit storm to make a point. After reading the entire thread I think I get your point. Your point is, 1. without consent it's rape no matter what the ladies job is, 2. the perpetrator should be severely punished. I have to say I agree.
You also say that what you asked about actually happened and it appears that no one has actually taken issue with it despite what they are saying here. I am not aware of the incident you say happened. I'm not doubting what you say, but I've heard nothing about such an incident. Please tell the rest of the story for those of us that are at present uninformed.
If the above is inaccurate then the rest is not applicable so please take this opportunity to enlighten us.
I will add that had you put all of this in your OP and posed the question, "Why is no one acting like this is a travesty?" you would have saved a lot of angst and made your point just as well.
...and if there is indeed a person that has done such a deed and is being treated as if all is well the victim has been violated again.
Why the fuck would I want to read the entire thread before posting? The OP itself was ignunt enough by itself.
But, I have to assume there MUST HAVE been some point to this, no? Silly, I know. But, I say that mostly b/c the OP says there was a point---and, well...perhaps it's just me being another dimwitted cunt---but the point is eluding me. And, if that is a stupid question to ask? What better place to ask a stupid question.
Thanks for the advice about "being better" though ZT. That was helpful.
You would want to read the entire thread before posting because more posts were made by the OP which made their point more clear. Obviously there were others who didn't understand the first post so it was brought up and responded to. But of course you wouldn't know that because you can't be bothered to actually follow along before grabbing the keyboard.
WANT to read the entire thread. Which is why I did not. Nor am I, in any way, REQUIRED to read any thread in it's entirety. Especially a thread titled "is raping a provider OK"
Even being the dimwitted cunt I am, I am smart enough to understand this concept.
OK. What now? A throw-down after school behind the gym? A penis measuring contest? Momma insults?
that this didn't happen. But if it did, I should think the provider should press charges. Rape of a sex provider is still rape. This is very disturbing.
Posted By: Alias69.5
This is a trick question but I'm asking anyway. Providers often do distasteful things for money including allowing gross guys access to their bodies. Does that remove their right to turn down sex from a hobbyist? Does it move the consent line to a more liberal interpretation? Is date rape still possible? I want to be clear that I'm not talking about rape fantasies, but actual intercourse without consent. There is a point to this but I'd like opinions before I unveil the rest.
less respect in the eyes of the law? abuse is ok as long as its of a sex worker?
thats absolute Bullshit.
you may feel I am degrading myself but thats YOUR opinion alone. I do not feel that way. I do not feel I am disrespecting myself.
you only know what happens in your sessions and noone elses if you are one of those gross guys you speak of that sucks for you and whom ever you choose to see.
There is NO point to this post. It was meant to degrade and insult. If you have such a low view of these Ladies maybe you should abandon the hobby all together. Most women I have had the priviledge to meet in this biz are some of the very best ppl out there.
This is a job, it is NOT who WE are but rather what WE do. we are not defined by this business any more than a lawyer, dr, accountant carpenter dentist and so on are by theirs. Its a business, not one all understand agree with or *get* in the long run.
No matter what it makes us no less important or valued. we deserve and are entitled to the same rights as anyone else.
AND was there ever a need to post that to state so? really? if you truly needed to post that question I suggest you get help. Its a sick point of view.
to an incident where this happened and the "community" has tolerated it. he has chosen an indirect and provocative way of making the point that such behaviour _shoud NOT_ be tolerated and that ladies in the business do NOT have less rights.
I believe he was saying that a certain hobbyist decided that it was okay to rape a passed out provider because she provides.....how do we feel about that? How did the other attendees react to it? Did they turn the other cheek? What do we think? I gather from most of the responses we all feel it would be considered rape.
Posted By: Claudius42310
to an incident where this happened and the "community" has tolerated it. he has chosen an indirect and provocative way of making the point that such behaviour _shoud NOT_ be tolerated and that ladies in the business do NOT have less rights.
This is a trick question but I'm asking anyway. Providers often do distasteful things for money including allowing gross guys access to their bodies. Does that remove their right to turn down sex from a hobbyist? Does it move the consent line to a more liberal interpretation? Is date rape still possible? I want to be clear that I'm not talking about rape fantasies, but actual intercourse without consent. There is a point to this but I'd like opinions before I unveil the rest.
There can be no doubt in anyone's mind that sex with only one consenting party is rape and deplorable. Leaving aside the disturbing fact that anyone would want to have sex with an unconscious person, the OP brings up an interesting point for debate. If there was consent between both parties up to the point of losing consciousness it would seem to be two consenting adults having sex up to that point, but at the point where one party loses consciousness, is consent considered to be immediately revoked? (my answer is yes)
Does consent require a constant affirmation ("don't stop") or must consent only be revoked by a response in the negative ("don't"; "stop")? (my answer is negative response is a good indicator of consent being revoked; however given the inebriated state of one (if not both) of them, there should probably be a higher standard of judgment...see next question)
What if one party is impaired with alcohol or drugs, but is verbally consenting to an act, should that consent somehow be discounted? (again my answer is yes)
Taking it another step further, what if that same party briefly slips in and out of consciousness, but while conscious affirms consent? (my answer...still a problem because the judgement of the inebriated party is so impaired)
Notwithstanding the obvious fact that a person slipping in and out of a conscious state should probably be under medical care and not in a hotel room. In your opinion, at what point does the more sober individual cross the line from consenting adults to a felony?
Let's take it a step further, what if that consent was in writing prior to the point of losing consciousness when both parties were sober. Does that change your answer?
ends far before passing out. simply being under the influence is a put off. it's not a question of whether i can hear "yes" or "no", it is a question of whether the other's faculties are imapired to the point where there is some doubt that it's the tequila talking.
there is a saying about how a session of drinking might progress:
"first the person drinks the bottle, then the bottle drinks the person, then the bottle drinks the bottle."
one passes out when the bottle can't drink the bottle anymore. at the point where the bottle has drunk the person, i'd lose interest.
The number of calls to "pull this thread", Does anyone here really believe that sweeping this thread under the carpet will really make the issue go away.
This is an adult board devoted to adult topic, and I can't think of anything more adult, or serious than having a rapist in our midst, except perhaps the prospect of having possibly dozens of willing accessories after the fact, those guys and gals that let it happen right under their collective noses without lifting a finger to stop it.
Maybe the OP could have picked a less "gotcha" way to get his point across, but the point remains. Rather than argue about aliases and the OP method of getting the point out there, maybe the focus should be on how an predator like this should be allowed into our community in the first place and why he has not been forced to account for his actions, either in a court of law, or at least judged by his peers.
Ok, I have had my say, you are free to go back to your petty little squabbles over semantics now. Sheesh, I need a fucking raise.
The number of calls to "pull this thread", Does anyone here really believe that sweeping this thread under the carpet will really make the issue go away.
This is an adult board devoted to adult topic, and I can't think of anything more adult, or serious than having a rapist in our midst, except perhaps the prospect of having possibly dozens of willing accessories after the fact, those guys and gals that let it happen right under their collective noses without lifting a finger to stop it.
Maybe the OP could have picked a less "gotcha" way to get his point across, but the point remains. Rather than argue about aliases and the OP method of getting the point out there, maybe the focus should be on how an predator like this should be allowed into our community in the first place and why he has not been forced to account for his actions, either in a court of law, or at least judged by his peers.
Ok, I have had my say, you are free to go back to your petty little squabbles over semantics now. Sheesh, I need a fucking raise.
some may not have read it well enough to understand it, understood. i hope that the the rest who want it pulled aren't motivated by a guilty conscience.
This thread is a bit nasty in parts so understand that I will speak only for myself and nobody else.
Rape does happen in this biz. From lady having a no anal policy and somebody trying to shove it in anyways to somebody stealing a buddy's references and being seriously crazy to the guy who decides not to pay to a guy getting a lady too drunk to make good decisions and taking advantage of her.
Rape is also a serious problem in the non-hobby world. I haven't shared my story with the public to this point but I will now. I was attacked and pushed into a hotel room (non-hobby related) a couple of months ago and raped. I was out of town at the time and knew an old college friend that lived in this city so I went there for 2 nights before returning home. I told my friend what happened and my friend discussed it at work the next day, trying to find ways to help me. My friend discussed this with 4 ladies that day and out of those 4 ladies 2 of them were previously raped.
Point being Rape happens more than you all want to believe and there are many forms of rape. It all stems from RESPECT!!!! If you respect a lady this will never be a problem. Maybe the next thread shall be on respect???
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