Well, just had another provider no show this morning. We had communicated for the last few days about how she would meet me at 8:30 this morning. I have had 3 others bail on me without a word ahead of time. They all clearly made a commitment to meet at a specific time, and all left me hanging without a word.
So, about an hour after I left, she texts me this :
Sorry yeah was bad idea for me sorry again I was sleeping maybe u call set up something with someone elese I star working after 10 sorry have a nice day
Sweet. Yeah all of a sudden she starts work at 10. After making an appointment for 8:30.
Her reviews have said how sweet and nice she is.
TS Fernanda, 371535
Yeah, doesn’t GAF.
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I’ve seen some providers who charge extra for late night dates. Maybe you could offer extra for your early morning dates. That might incentivize them to actually wake up!
Might not be a bad idea. Who knows what will incentivize them, that I’m able to pay.
That is just incentivizing poor business ethics.
If the provider has dedicated hours of availability, she should never have accepted an appointment she had no intention to honor. If she required an additional fee to meet outside her normal hours, she should have asked for it before committing to the meeting. Once the meeting terms are accepted, they need to be honored. Yes, shit can happen, and I expect the OP would have understood a legit problem like a family emergency or car failure. But the provider just decided to blow off the appointment (no pun intended).
Providers expect clients to show up on time. Clients are entitled to same expectations.
This is just unprofessional behavior. The fact that it happened early morning is not relevant. If she had been a NCNS at 2:00 pm and tried to excuse it as "sorry, I was asleep" it would still be bullshit.
No one here would accept this behavior from any other professional service provider like a plumber or physical therapist.
Life is good
The Cat
Not a single time have I seen him condemn a poor ethical decision by a provider. Either a half-joke is made to deflect or the decision is deemed "normal"
He clearly thinks providers could do what they want and we as clients do what we can.
And then has the gall to ask about assymetry in the biz with a straight face.
are completely symmetrical. Lol
Some have found you to be an example of one.
Personally, I have fondled Rasha's and found it to be so perfectly symmetrical that physicists can use it to calibrate their instruments.
Your “woe is me, the glass is half-empty” perspective is really getting tiring.
Paying an incentive fee for a non-standard appointment time isn’t incentivizing bad behavior, it’s incentivizing good behavior.
But back to the OP’s problem. He’s now 0 for 4 on girls following through on their commitments to an early date. He’s gotten no response from all the other (non-deposit) providers he’s reached out to. Clearly it’s time to at least CONSIDER another approach. I’ve laid out another approach that conforms to a somewhat common practice in the industry (paying extra for late dates). He might also consider trying to book another class of provider (those who take deposits). Now there’s no guarantee that changing up his method will work out, but I’m sure he’ll get more responses and won’t go 0 for 4 with the responding providers who he books.
He doesn’t even have to offer an extra fee. He could ask an open-ended “How much would you charge for a one hour date at 8:30 AM?”
Once again, your post did little, if anything, to advance your often debunked theory of asymmetric power in this market.
But it makes sense. Even when a provider engages in clearly shitty tactics, you seem to place the burden of blame on the buyer who did NOTHING WRONG.
Who the hell besides betas approve of such behavior?
Instead of condemning the shit practice and the provider , like any non-beta likely would, you suggest something that encourages the behavior described in the op.
You're incentivizing charging extra money by silently agreeing with the tactic these shit providers chose. She shouldn't get any fucking extra money for ghosting a client without prior cancelation. She should lose money.
Of course this shit is asymmetric. If this was a monger ghosting a provider he'd already be on blacklist.
This provider he mentions? There was no appointment so he CANT even review her on TER
If this was a symmetric biz, then the provider would be blacklisted just like a client who does a no show. If this wasn't asymmetric, she would wear a Scarlett letter for the rest of her career under this name. As she fucking should.
But you're not interested in punishing the provider for shitty tactic. You're interested in encouraging her and rewarding her in money for shitty tactics when she should be stripped of money to be taught a lesson. Simp ass, beta, capt save a hoe shit.
And I'm not afraid to call you out, just like I'm not afraid to call out providers who lie and engage in shitty tactics.
And if you want to single out me, let me repeat what herb said
"That is just incentivizing poor business ethics."
"This is just unprofessional behavior. The fact that it happened early morning is not relevant" (c) herbtcat
Now please go ahead and accuse herb of having "glass half empty" mentality. I said exactly the same thing as he did. He was just nice enough to not mention you. I'm not as nice and I'm tired of you protecting shitty behavior on one side of the biz.
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Reading comprehension seems to be a major problem for you.
when a provider engages in clearly shitty tactics, you seem to place the burden of blame on the buyer who did NOTHING WRONG.
Then again, based on your comment below, it appears your problems run deeper than reading comprehension, but also include complete, utter confusion.
So there’s no reward advocated for an unreliable provider, but rather a suggestion that it might be worthwhile to pay for extra, premium service. What’s Rocket’s suggestion? That our OP call a Bedpage provider who advertises 24/7 service???
You suggested to pay extra so providers can stay awake for an appointment they agreed on. Of course you didn't suggest he rescheduled with same flake. But your suggestion implied that you think it's OK, and now have the nerve to advise giving them extra money for something they have to do as part of their job.
Let's pause and reiterate. You are advocating to pay money for stuff a provider is SUPPOSED TO honor like any one who respects their customer even an iota.
Not even a word from you of unequivocal "this is wrong" like, for example, herb has firmly stated. I
Instead you're suggesting to "fix" the issue with throwing more money and hence incetivizing more ghosting unless one pays . It's like saying, hey you know what to do to so thieves stop stealing ? Why don't we all give them money so they don't steal. Hey how about don't fucking steal in the first place. Wow. Was that so difficult?
Your advice is akin to telling a person who get his food spat on, to pay extra money so they won't get their food spat on. How about no, hell no? A provider ghosting a monger should have drastic, meaningful consequences happen to her so next time she thinks about it, she realizes it's not in her interest to do so.
What's my suggestion? Make sure that providers who ghost mongers with no explanation, get the same symmetric treatment a monger would get if he were to ghost a provider. Make them fear for their careers and not feel invincible. Once they realize there are actual, real fucking CONSEQUENCES to treating live customers as garbage... consequences that will persist with them for duration of their career in the biz no matter what name they use and what country they're in, I guara-fucking-tee there will be little to no ghosting of customers.
A provider who knows that by ghosting a customer she might be fired, will be well awake without any extra fucking monetary incentive. Bet.
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And yes, to reiterate, your reading comprehension is sorely lacking.
Added fees for premium service are common in all lines of business, including prostitution. Paying an extra $50 or $100 for a late night meeting is rather common. Paying extra for Greek is often the norm.
You proposed that the OP, along with the rest of the mongering community, shame the unreliable providers to hell. The problem is the OP doesn’t want to have to deal with unreliable providers at all. He’s looking for a way to find reliable providers and lock in an 8:30 appointment. Paying a reliable provider to show up in no way rewards the unreliable providers (the count is up to four now) who have ghosted him.
"Paying a reliable provider to show up in no way rewards the unreliable providers (the count is up to four now) who have ghosted him.
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Sounds its you who has comprehension issues.
Once again, you're incetivizing ALL providers to do shit they're SUPPOSED TO DO (honor their fucking appointments and not ghost people) with money. Guess what if providers can't make the hours requested all she has to do is say "NO" or if it's an emergency explain the situation. Making a decision and honoring that decision is a thing a four year old can do
What part of this don't you get? In any and every single fucking biz or even a verbal contract, the expectation and requirement is to HONOR it.
(Someone who doesn't honor it and doesn't even give a reason why and ignores the contract is pure sсum. But I never see you call it out, interesting enough.)
Since you had problems understanding my point here it is again. No one should be paying extra for shit you're supposed to do. No. fucking. body. Do you copy me? By giving out such incentives, you're only incentivizing other providers to charge extra for shit they are supposed to do. You don't pay extra for people in restaurants to not spit in your food do you?
Then tell lazy providers who can't do the simplest thing in their job to wake the fuck up and do their fucking job. The part that is baked intp their job. Called professionalism.
And no, making sure everyone knows the business treated you like a used condom isn't sh@ming. It's spreading information that will prevent future clients deing with shitty entities who lack professionalism. Whether selling pussy or doctoral services or anything else whatsoever. A huge part of the biz is getting treated with respect. What kind of fucking respect is there when you are ghosted on appointment you spent money and time on?
None. The only difference in this biz is sсumbag sellers think they can get away with it.
PS here's a small exercise. Practice it with me.
Say "the seller was wrong for it and it's unexcusable practice".
Say "the seller deserves punishment in some sort of form for such behavio"
I know you won't tho. Because you refuse to acknowledge the seriousness of the situation and your way to deal with shit is thru appeasement and positive reinforcements of entities who shit on respect and buyers rights.
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"Re: Offering an extra fee? No thank you.
That is just incentivizing poor business ethics"
Herbtcat to cks
He's saying the same thing I'm saying. Wheres your response about poor reading comprehension to him?
Wheres the accusation regarding him being a supposed negative person? Is he only saying what he said because he's a negative person?
Too pussy to say it to one of the most glass half full people on this board? Cat got your tongue? Thought so.
Did you know that plumbers who work on Sunday charge time and a half, if not double? Did you know hourly workers who work more than a standard 40 hour week get paid overtime? Why on earth should a provider working outside her established normal hours expect some extra compensation for providing the extra service?
on these boards is that you want illegal prostitution businesses to run the same was as other kinds of small businesses that are not illegal. You talk about "shoddy business practices" and lack of "customer service" in an industry with no regulation or oversight. Until prostitution is legalized, business practices are not going to change much. Try reporting a girl that stood you up to the Better Business Bureau and tell me what you will say when they stop laughing at you.
Prostitution is legal in many places and the business model changes from place to place. While in some cases legal prostitution DOES run "the same as other kinds of small businesses" it's not true in all cases. In Costa Rica and Panama, for example, it runs as a hooker-to-monger barter business. And while there are occasional problems, the issues of NCNS, B&S, etc. simply don't exist.
While I have never gone to the cheapy places like Costa Rica and Panama, I have about 20 reviews in Europe in my review history. In fact, I have three recent ones for ladies I saw in September in the queue waiting for approval. Two of them are new to TER and I had to set up the profile. I doubt that the business runs the same in Costa Rica as it does in Europe, but your Central American experience is duly noted and I will not denigrate you for not having broader experience like you are wont to do. I accept that you are an expert in the third world prostitution scene. Lol
First, it's not just me Herbtcat just said this:
"No one here would accept this behavior from any other professional service provider like a plumber or physical therapist"
So is it also herbs problem then? From say one as well? Do answer - I suspect I will not get an answer from you here tho. See, this is what happens when you choose to focus on the person delivering the message instead of the message. You should stop doing this.
Second, this is unacceptable practice. I'm not asking for cks or op to run to bbb. I'm asking him simply to acknowledge that it's a shitty practice and condemn a provider. He can't even do so much. Ideologically this guy never puts the blame on provider yet he claims there is no asymmetry. Not only did he not say explicitly that provider did something very bad for which she (I know it's ts but for simplicity I'll use the "she" pronoun) should be admonished, he offered the op to pay extra. So why wouldn't all providers do this now to make sure to get extra dough? Lol
If illegal practices make it so that relationship between buyer and seller are asymmetric, then ADMIT so. Cks never admitted it. Just like Jensen he keeps parroting that there is no asymmetry. And I thoroughly enjoy pointing their faces to instances where there is sheer assymetry. I'm not a nice guy and I dislike when people have double standards.
This is why, cdl, reviews and public discussions are so important. If I go to a doctors office and get ghosted and receive no explanation, with receptionist and doctor being unavailable. I'll make sure to write everywhere where this doctor is rated and discussed how he wasted my time, money and possibly let my urgent health issue continue. I'll tear him/her a new one on every site he/she advertises. Because that's how customer feedback works. If I'm very unhappy, I can and I will express my displeasure.
And I will raise my glasses when/if I hear the doctor was forced to retire. I don't like being treated like a used condom and want some accountability for each and every contract I make. And if the contract is breached and I'm ignored, Ill make sure to get the unhappy feedback to as many people as possible. Hell hath no fury like an unhappy customer who values time and money. Forget a scorned woman.
by a plumber is NOT the same as having your pipes cleared by a provider. You should know this by now. Lol
All of the examples you give are for legal businesses. Try writing a bad review the next time you get some pot that is weak or contaminated from your local dealer. Name him and complain about the bad stuff you got. His reaction will give you a better idea of the difference between complaining about illegal businesses versus legal businesses.
I'm tired and bored of your little deflection tactic.
Answer the question by choosing one of the options
Is there asymmetry in relations as well as double standards in biz regarding how the client is treated vs how the provider is treated?
Answers:
A Yes
B No
C Yes, but because it's illegal
cks chose option B
I take it you choose option C as your answer?
If so, you should tell cks that there is asymmetry
Also. We are on a website that specializes in evaluating sellers doing illegal business, cdl, if you haven't noticed. And I might say, reviews are very effective in generating as well as losing money for these businesses. If they weren't, agencies and shills wouldn't be here trying to lie and deceive as well as send rude, demanding messages to people who wrote truthful and negative reviews. There wouldn't be an entire business of hiring review writers to write fake reviews. Many sellers NEED reviews in order to make money. Unfortunately, op can't even leave a scathing review in TER about the provider in this case. Thankfully, he had way more gall than you, Jensen, and cks combined as he named the provider publicly - something that I couldn't get any of you to.
Speaking of beta and pussywhipped boys.
All these sellers treating buyers like garbage have karma coming back to them, one way or the other. And I'll be more than happy to assist with this karma coming much sooner than later, against any seller in US.
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did you ramble on so long? You have long had a bad attitude about this biz because you don't get the kinds of outstanding sessions that other reviewers get. You have admitted before that your percentage of bad sessions is five to ten times what mine is. The reason is attitude . . . not the provider's, yours. I have learned from seeing well over a thousand different providers that you often get back the attitude that you bring to a session. The ladies are intuitive, and if you show up with a chip on your shoulder, you are likely to get less than her best effort. If you show up positive and happy, she will respond in kind. Your worry about bad sessions becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. You're the quintessential negative personality and it's being reflected back at you. Your solution? Revenge . . . . "I'll be more than happy to assist with this karma coming much sooner than later, against any seller in US." Time for a little introspection? The definition of a moron is a guy who keeps doing the same thing and expects a different outcome.
As expected, you have failed to answer
1) whether comparing this biz to a legit biz is also a problem for herbtcat, who I'm pretty sure cannot be accused the same way of being negative as I am. And I know for a fact you won't address it because you're not capable of discuss a message not the messenger. And when another messenger says the same message your whole foundation of your argument is shot. It's hilarious to watch.
2) whether there is asymmetry in this biz or not.
As far as the rest of your post it has no bearing on the subject. There is no "revenge" here. It's simpy one reaps what they sow. No one likes to be ghosted, period. It has nothing to do specifically wiith providers either, as I mentioned I'd do the same thing to doctors, etc. There are some professional ethics in every biz.
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you said, . . . . . "You reap what you sow . . ." That's essentially the point I made about you and the bad sessions that seem to be your hallmark. If you want to apply it to providers, it's up to you, but don't tell me that you are not about revenge when you will "help" anyone who has had a bad experience with a provider get even with her.
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What else is new? You can't answer my questions just like I lve said and you are blatant about it too. Lol.
The difference between me and you is that I answer all questions posed to me.
No, it's not about revenge at all. It's about helping consumers who sometimes cannot fight for their rights in an asymmetric business. And not because of simply a bad session, but because of ghosting and such.
I'd be happy to help anyone in any other biz that fucks over clients. The difference is in other biz there are entities that help much better. A lawyer could be disbarred without outside help.
Like you were mocking me earlier there is no BBB for this biz. So why not help fellow mongers?
Once again nothing in this topic was about my bad sessions. You brought it to make a character attack.
My issue was about certain people incentivizing sсumbag behavior and inability of them to admit the behavior is shit and the seller needs to be punished for it. And also admit that it's an asymmetric biz. None of which was done. The number of my bad sessions compared to yours bears zero relevance to the topic. You're getting desperate here.
Cowards who protect and normalize shitty behavior towards customers have nothing to do with my subpar sessions with providers who were extremely professional in 99% of the cases during the sessions (we can discuss the lies about pics elsewhere) . Nothing.
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for another member. I don't know what his position is. He follows this board, so why not ask him yourself and get HIS answer. I can only give you my own views. I believe I already responded to assymetry farther up the thread. No need to repeat yourself. I'm not the one rambling on and repeating myself, so look again at who the desperate one is. You VOLUNTEERED on the Kgirl board that a large number of your sessions were disappointments. How is me reminding you of what you said ABOUT YOURSELF a "character attack?"
Here I'll repeat my questions since you're pretending to not understand them.
Please answer them explicitly.
Question one
Is there asymmetry in the biz?
A) Yes
B) No
C) yes but it's because it's illegal
You can just say the letter, thank you.
Question two
Is what the provider mentioned by the op shitty and unacceptable behavior? You can say "yes it was shitty and unacceptable behavior" or you can say "no it was not shitty or unacceptable behavior". Anything besides yes will be taken as a "no".
Question three
If you answered "yes" to question two, then should shitty and unacceptable behavior be called out and punished and to what extent. And if yes, why shouldn't mongers be able to influence their biz with telling every potential client of their shitty behavior?
Question four
If you answered "no" to question two, does it mean you think herb is wrong?
So it's really simple questions with two of them conditional on what you answered in question two.
Finally.
Once again, you mentioning my rate of success with kgirls has nothing to do with the op being ghosted by a ts provider. Hence why it's a character attack not relevant to anything in the thread. It is used by you to deflect from the topic on hand into a red herring .
What is herb's success rate? Probably higher than mine. He thinks it's shitty behavior. I think it's shitty behavior. What the hell does my success rate have anything to do with the topic on hand?
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provider appointments frames your opinions around your own POV and biases from your own experiences. Using the vernacular, it shows where you are coming from. If my own success rate was as low as yours, I would probably have the same bad attitude towards providers and orgs, and would most likely hang up my spurs until I figured out my own issues.
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So yeah you attack my character instead of talking about the topic on hand. Which was about a provider ghosting a monger with no explanation whatsoever on an appointment.
I already asked you about herbtcats view on topic, but you and cks are mum. Understandably so, you can't attack his rate of success.
And still can't answer my questions. Because you can't. People who defend shit practices aren't that far off shitty practices themselves.
character. I'm merely pointing out you have a highly biased negative attitude towards providers and orgs. When youi project negativity in your ATTITUDE, it will produce negative results from the providers, resulting in your high rate of disappointing sessions. I have no opinion on your CHARACTER one way or the other, so no need to play the victim here. This is a topic YOU wanted to discuss. There is no reason to hijack this thread to make it all about your character. I'm merely giving my opinion based on having seen over a thousand different providers spread over several thousand sessions.
Herb responds in a manner that suggests this is a hypothetical scenario for him. He gave an opinion, but stops short of saying it has ever happened to him or what he personally did when it did happen, but then again, he has a good attitude when it comes to providers. Accidents happen, there are miscommunications, and people get their signals crossed. There is no reason to think this is a grand conspiracy against guys like you. If it's chronic, there is a reason, and that could be that you are more trouble than you're worth as a customer and it's a nudge to get you out so you don't come back rather than blacklisting you. Pissing you off so you voluntarily stay away is preferable to an ugly confrontation for a lot of providers and orgs.
Herb said that the practice is inexcusable.
I said its inexcusable
He said that incetivizing bad ethical behavior is bad, in reply to cks. I said the same thing.
Yet cks only objected to me, not herb.
Yes herb probably dealt with hypothetical situation. So have I. I have never been ghosted. And generally have been treated with professionalism.
You made this about me when its you and cks who can't unequivocally condemn the practice as a shitty practice.
You can't even my answer my questions. You can't bring yourself to condem the provider doing shitty practice.
Here's the thing cdl. Herb being general positive and me being generally negative has nothing to do with the topic on hand and condemning the practice.
I mean, if you don't want to post that it's shitty practice even tho you believe in it in order to not give my negative view validation, you clearly have issues.
Another difference between me and you. I will argue truth and fairness with anyone, people close to me, people of my kin, etc. Truth and fairness are thicker than any blood. And unlike you I will admit when you have semblance of a point. And I will answer every single question thrown my way and not cherry pick.
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for night calls or weekend repairs.
Rocket is very confused and thinks I’m advocating that the OP contact unreliable TS Fernanda and offer her extra money not to ghost him a second time.
What I am pointing out is that providers charge extra for late night appointments, and maybe it makes sense for a monger to pay a reliable provider a reasonable fee for an off hours appointment.
that instead of Fernanda, you might have earlier called Fernando and set up the appointment, and maybe... just maybe.. you got a tad bit confused on the day of the appointment ? Do you leave any room for that possibility?
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No, not the slightest possibility. Where do you get your Moonshine? It must be some really good stuff.
You really need to really learn to navigate the TER board and use the TREE mode instead of FLAT mode, so you don't look like you have gone senile and having conversations with yourself - like my grandpa used to have before he died. LOL.
Secondly, you have no sense of humor pal..
BTW, howdy neighbor.. LOL
Hey, I’m really new here. No idea what the different modes are or how to use them. Thanks for clueing me in.
I’m probably older than your grandfather when he was talking to himself, so I’m happy to see someone but me is answering. A sense of humor is not my problem, I’m a lot more receptive to humor when I’m getting laid.
OK on top right hand side you have TREE mode and FLAT mode.. Make sure you are on TREE mode.. This way you can respond to a separate branch of the conversation.. This makes following conversations easier..
Also hope you get laid soon.. Plenty of T girls around...
First, more general case, is that my impression is that a number of the independents will be more night owl than early birds so you are asking them to break their normal routines. That will increase the fail rate I suspect -- but your 1000 batting average (is that a correct take for recent appointments) is still pretty unacceptable. I am sure you've been seeking those who are interested in early morning sessions but seems that is something of the unicorn case. I can only recall having heard one independent provider say she actually likes early morning appointment that I think was an honest statement.
Second, I suspect you have been doing this but do you reinforce in your communications that the time is morning? Or have you been making the appointment on some prior day and then never expressly saying AM or morning or early morning in later communications? Not sure that would help to start doing if you have not been doing that but pretty low cost.
I have been reiterating that it is morning appointments I need, due to my unique situation. I’m quite clear on that. These providers knew what they were agreeing to. It was THEIR choice to agree to it. I can’t force anyone to agree to take me on in the morning. I made my request, and they agreed to it. I know that it’s a big ask for most, and I thank them for agreeing to it. And after that to just blow me off without a word shows they really don’t GAF. I’m a gentleman and considerate. I always tip well and bring a small gift. I’m worth getting up for. I honestly have no trust left.
I love early morning appointments! I don’t, like late nights, but I got a deposit & booked a date Friday 9-11pm. I prepared by taking a nap in the afternoon because it’s past my bedtime. I showed up & showed out. No extra charge needed. Proper preparation prevents poor planning.
I’m a single Mom with young children who have basketball games Saturday morning early a.m. I still had a phenomenal date & made a new friend. I need my beauty sleep, so I went to bed early last night after a full day being Super Mamacita. I’m not complaining. I am a professional with a reputation that can not be bought it’s priceless. I pride myself in providing a fantastic service this is my business.
You set the standard! Of course, you are on the wrong coast. LOL.
I just had a situation with a lady I have seen a few times a couple of years ago when I lived in another state. I saw she was going to be touring near me so I thought it would be fun to see her again. I reached out and made an appointment - over a month in advance. She confirmed the date and time (10 AM).
Day before the appointment I hadn't heard from her so I reached out and confirmed. She then emailed me hours later and asked if I could do 30 minutes later than booked. I told her that I was on a very tight schedule and could not do any later then our scheduled 10 AM time. I never heard back from her.
I emailed her later that night and wrote "I take it you're cancelling tomorrow??" - again no response. I will never even try to see her again.
And this is the other part of the problem. Not so much as a word to tell you that you are not going to have your appointment. It’s very disrespectful, and shows lack of manners.
My other, lesser gripe, is that for every provider who has no showed without a word. About 4 other providers that I contact never even answer my texts to see if they are interested. A simple “ sorry, I don’t do mornings” would be the correct way to handle it. But most all simply do not answer at all.
SMFH
No class, no manners, poor business relations..
It would be interesting to me, and I assume others, to hear from more of our great providers here. Their point of view would have to be more from the inside looking out, and thus, more enlightening.
Ladies, you have the floor…
That must be a pain in the ass with hotels as I am assuming u r booking the hotel room when they confirm and then you have to go through the hassle of cancelling the room which can be a giant headache.
No. I go to their incall site. Or would, if I think they will be there.
I look at it this way. Don’t pay a deposit her ass doesn’t show who cares? Last thing I’d want is someone who doesn’t want to be there show and half assed it.
You spent time (=money) and probably money preparing for the appointment. You may have had to do some SO arrangements. You may have had to do work arrangements. Where's the regard for that?
If a provider was to do that, we'd hear a bajillion of tweeters twieetin' about clients who waste time and who'd be BLd. Why not do blacklists for providers with three or more ghostings? Unfortunately as of now we cannot even do a ghosting flag on a providers page,as far as I know we cannot review providers if the appt didn't happen.
No regard for customers time is appalling imo. It's a lot worse than a mediocre session to me. In the latter the provider was professional, she might have lacked skills or connection or looks. But at least she delivered on the appointment. And most likely there are no blue balls. It's a spit in face to customers everywhere when the provider ghosts on a made appointment. Spit on respect, spit on agreement, spit on time, spit on mental psyche. Simply unacceptable.
This lack of ethics is widespread. Its not taught in schools, and the lack of ethics starts in the home, where the parents, if there are any, don’t have any. Our culture, such as it is, models the opposite attitude. I’m sick to see the degradation of our country.
I really wish some of our providers here would chime in. I’m curious to hear from their point of view.
... get fired.
Now, on pretty much everyone's job if there is a scheduled, mandatory important meeting and you ghost everyone. You're pretty much gone.
There are pretty much zero consequences for such behavior for a provider. Im sure there are many honest, high integrity providers who care about well being of their clients. But for many, mongers are simply pez dispensers of cash, automated teller machines and losers.
And because there's no authority or consequences for treating clients shitty, why wouldn't many providers sleep in if they felt like it? You cant even write a review of her to report the unacceptable behavior.
If a provider is willing to lose money by not seeing you, she thinks even less about her responsibility to you as a customer in a healthy business.
I bet if a provider knows she might not make any more money in the next few months if she doesn't see a client, pretty sure she'd be out and woken up and never ghost anyone. Thus it's simply the lack of accountability/authority/consequences and love of money, colloquially known as greed and considered a sin ethically since Moses etched them stones.
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Isn't there a rip off thread or a way to post it on TER?
Too bad you can't do a review as a NCNS, fill in whatever stats from her website.
Just write up the texting/phone call in the general details and then do a not so juicy details!
I do wish there was an organized way for us to impact a provider who ghosts us or otherwise treats us poorly. Afterall, it’s a service profession. All we can do is call them out here, naming names. Then it’s up to us to act accordingly, by not patronizing thrm, and spreading the word among ourselves. Until one or more of us, who knows how. starts up a formal blacklist, that’s the best we can do. Like the “ Go woke, go broke” movement. I fully expect blowback for this, but right is right.
Why the blowback? The providers make blacklists and openly talk about them, how are the mongers any worse?
The blowback will come from providers who think they should have power of not suffering consequences, monetary or reputational, for not honoring your time or caring about you. Why should you give a single fuck about what these type of providers think? All they care about is money, so you hit the here shitty practice where it will hurt them most. Why not put a provider on a bl when she would do the same to you if you ghosted her?
Maybe if when a monger Googles them and sees a note that says ncns, don't schedule, and providers will lose $, maybe they will make an attempt of honoring their appointments. Not just on this site, across all sites that are about mongering. In all languages.
Would anyone be interested in two of the other providers who bailed on my appointments?
The more public a list of shitty practice providers, the merrier.
TS Summer 374588 Had set up for 8:30am. When I texted the night before to reconfirm, she said “it’s too early”.
TS I-Da 358819 Had set up an 8:30am . When I texted the night before to reconfirm, she said she wouldn’t start that early.
There was another that left me waiting in the parking lot for her room number. I texted her later that afternoon., and she apologized, and gave me a reason. She rescheduled me for the next day, same time. She saw me on time. So, I don’t include her.
At least apologized and/or listed their reasons. The only provider who seemed to ghost you completely was in the OP. Am I reading this right?
Now of course they also called the meeting off which is pretty bad and Aldo not that professional. But not as bad and unprofessional as completely stopped communication.
So cks suggestion to you is even worse.
That's my take.
Cheers
First, I was calling THEM to reconfirm. They did not contact me. You did not get the attitude in their texts. It was no apology, there was no admission of regret. If anything it was a curt dismissal. Had I not texted them, they were not planning on letting me know. It was more like , “ oh it’s you, get lost”.
you should also state the reason they gave you for not making it, if any.
If my post gets approved, you can read they said it was too early.
I get you. What you speak is truth. At my age I just don’t sweat it anymore.
You spent time (=money) and probably money preparing for the appointment. You may have had to do some SO arrangements. You may have had to do work arrangements. Where's the regard for that?
If a provider was to do that, we'd hear a bajillion of tweeters twieetin' about clients who waste time and who'd be BLd. Why not do blacklists for providers with three or more ghostings? Unfortunately as of now we cannot even do a ghosting flag on a providers page,as far as I know we cannot review providers if the appt didn't happen.
No regard for customers time is appalling imo. It's a lot worse than a mediocre session to me. In the latter the provider was professional, she might have lacked skills or connection or looks. But at least she delivered on the appointment. And most likely there are no blue balls. It's a spit in face to customers everywhere when the provider ghosts on a made appointment. Spit on respect, spit on agreement, spit on time, spit on mental psyche. Simply unacceptable.
I should stress that all these providers had very positive reviews here. People who had been with them were quite satisfied. But, as far as I’m concerned, if they tell you they will see you at a specific time, and then renege on the deal, they are seriously lacking in a basic requirement of their profession. They have really left me with no trust of providers.
Hello Fellow Hobbyists,
I scheduled a provider two weeks out. As the date came up, she starting asking me if I could come an hour later, then an hour later, I agreed to an hour later, then she changed back to an hour earlier. You get it.
On the day I was supposed to see her, she tried to reschedule me to later in the evening. I'm 70 y.o. so I said no. Long story short, It came out in discussion that she was trying to accommodate her regulars and bouncing me, a first-timer, around to do this. I say "first-timer" relative to seeing her. I am a seasoned hobbyist with great reviews.
Anyway, after the last schedule change I nicely said "Let's do this another time." This resulted in snarky comments about me being "unprofessional", not respectful of "her time."
Am I the A-hole?
g-man99
No, you’re not. I would have done the same thing you did, and after the first hostile response I would have blocked her number and named her here and on other escort sites.
No. If I receive a serious booking I accommodate who booked first regardless of regulars it’s unprofessional. Ridiculous.
No, the provider was the A-Hole. Notice, it was all about “her time”. Same attitude as those who didn’t bother to keep their appointments with me. It’s all about them. You weren’t even asking for an early morning either.
Why does this "early morning" thing keep coming up. It's all relative. If the providers you were trying to see didn't work before 10 AM then they should have told you that when you booked instead of making the appointment that they had no intention of keeping.
I know a lady who charges reduced rates for morning appointments between 6 and 10, and my favorite touring lady told be she starts her work day at 5 AM - she's a morning person. So, to me, saying that an 8:30 AM appointment is "outside of normal hours" is a ridiculous statement.
Man, I’m ex military, and I get up every day at 4:45am. I don’t think of 8am as early, but a lot of people seem to. My whole point is just as you say. If you don’t start your day before 10am, don’t book an appointment at 8, with no intention of making it. I just had a fantastic 8am NURU massage this morning by Ava. She’s not only hot, but she has a real work ethic. She will get repeat business from me and my recommendation.
This World has truly gone down-the-drain, with unprofessional behavior,
noncommittal Providers and those that "supposedly have College degrees",
though they cannot punctuate, iterate, nor spell!
In this day-and-age, it is totally unacceptable to be illiterate and not
follow-through with commitments regardless of priority.
It’s widespread, and getting worse. I have been watching this happening for decades now. Lousy education, and worse attitudes.
Jackcat,
I would like to know where your head was when you asked the PROVIDER to see you at 8:30 am?!
It’s not a question of where my head is at. Because I caretake a disabled wife 24/7/365, with almost no time for myself. The only time I can ever get away is early mornings. I live without any social life or any of life’s usual pleasures. I have done this for decades. I finally could stand no more without some enjoyment.
THAT is why I can only ask for early mornings. I KNOW that few providers will accommodate me, but some do, and I show my appreciation and gratitude. The others are free to decline, but to agree and then not go through with it, is really low.
Does actually knowing why answer your snarky question?
And don't take her snarky shit to heart. We're talking about TER's Village Idiot here.
Thanks, hon. I have become less patient with mouthy idiots lately. I really don’t GAF what, if anything, she or anyone like her thinks. But, I will bark back. Too old to keep quiet anymore.
A chick with 65 reviews? Anyway, no harm, no foul.
It is completely irrelevant here. You don't have to explain your scheduling quirks to anyone. We all have different circumstances and work with what we have. You're a better man than me because once again, I don't think the "why" matters here at the slightest and I don't ever have to explain why I need an appointment at this time.
What's relevant is you both made commitments, and one side thinks not honoring it on a whim isn't a big deal. No one made the provider agree to this time.
I know a small business owner who has opened his biz on time on the hour for a decade. Hasn't missed a single day or was ever late by an hour. Even in shitty circumstances he made someone else open the store. It wasn't even the money - I'm sure opening half an hour to an hour late wouldn't affect his bottom line much. It was really the respect for customers and reputation of his business on the line.
He was thinking of others...something that sellers of sex seem to often ignore, while placing themselves at the center because of sense of self-importance. Where this sense of self-importance and "we do what we want, you do what you can" comes from, I have no clue. Selling sex isn't any different from selling anything else. You really aren't special if you're selling sex. It doesnt buy you a special indulgence.
I do not want to know where your head is, was or will be....ever
Why do you criticize someone for making an 8:30 am appointment when you, yourself advertise you are available 24/7
http://tumblr.com/serenity7625
To the best of my knowledge 8:30 am in included in 24 part of 24/7, do correct me if I’m wrong on that.
I know myself better. It takes me 2 hours to get ready for first appointment of the day. I start at 10am wish it could be 10:30am 
I have had clients who respond confirming their appointment and then they just no show. I even had a client confirm in the morning and then not a word. Not even the courtesy to let me know they can not make it. I had a regular confirm block out a period of time and then nothing. Never a word to let me know what happened and that they would not be showing.
I had a one time client confirm his appointment did not show up or let me know and then a week later used me as a reference.
I was honest , i am not going to penalize the provider for his bad behavior, i told her he was nice , respectful and clean and that he booked with me and did not show up and no word.
I have no idea if she saw him
And if you don’t do early morning appointments, you simply say so, and nobody is hurt. Good for you being honest upfront. I also wouldn’t pull a no show on anyone myself. It’s even worse to no show on a provider, costing them money. People should respect other people’s time and money.
Guys and gals in the business are all individuals with their own preferences and boundaries.
I know one provider who is just amazing and when I inquired with her the first time about a morning appointment she said she starts at 5:00am. Another provider I know gives discounts for appointments between 6 and 10 am. Many ladies start their day at 10.
If I make an appointment and it is confirmed by the lady then I expect that the appointment will happen as scheduled. If she had a problem with it being too early then she shouldn't have been willing to make the appointment to begin with.
I recently had a 10am appointment with a lady, made a month in advance. The night before she emailed me to see if I could change it to 10:30 and I told her I couldn't. I never heard back from her even after I emailed her again to find out if she was going to keep my appointment. That's not acceptable and I'll never even try to see her again.
I prefer mornings and find it difficult to do afternoons. Evenings and weekends are almost always out of the question. If you can't accommodate my request then don't agree to the date and time.
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I just don't think this is good enough of a repercussion. Not enough consequences to deter the seller from doing it again to anyone else.
Best believe if roles were reversed, you would be asked for cancelation fee, be put on a ncns list or put on a bl, or (most likely) all of the above.
How is the accountability of seller akin to a teenager who doesn't give a shit about anything, but customer is held to strict standards ? Rhetorical question....I'm sure some as always will cry about illegality. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's not a fucking job and you don't have accountability for your appointments and clients. And basic professionalism.
I'm so fucking sick of double standards.