As a gal who prides myself in not "clock-watching," I have also wondered where the line is between ignoring the time and just being taken advantage of.....
There is a lot of gray.......AND creamy, white area there! In my personal experience, it is VERY rare to have a gentleman truly run over-time due to climactic delays. (It's usually just friendly post conversation.)
The session?. I ask because i've had clients who I give otc time too if they havent hit the big O in the alotted time but I dont want it to be a fail for me because I dont get paid for the extra time plus today I had a client book for an hour but I gave him an extra 40 mins so that he could cum? am I being a fucking idiot... (which I kind of think I am) should I just tell them to leave once the time they paid for is up. regardless of if they came or not?
Your feedback would be appreciated!
PS yes I'm a girl -- I just picked a shitty alias name and now I dont how to change it.
Let me ask you this: if he hasn't come in an hour, is he able to when you "give" him an extra 30? You're under no obligation, you know.
And if you're in NY PM me, cuz I'd love some OTC time.
I can see 10 minutes or so but end it after that, nicely tell him 5 minutes over his time and you have to leave shortly, any appointment should work...
A decent guy will book longer if he needs longer to come. These guys are either holding off and then can't get there or only want to pay for an hour but know they take longer.
It is fair to end at the time contracted for. Your post suggests that this is common. Where are you getting your client from?
I have had that happen very rarely, and when it did, I will stop and let them know I have friends on the way, so sorry things didn't work out, but you have to leave.
This sort thing gets my dander up and if I suspect s guy is purposely holding off I will say something at the 45 minute mark (just in case you are having difficulty finishing, I am unable to extend the session due to another commitment). Then at 5 to the hour, is when I shut it down, come or no come. That kind of bullcrap does not get rewarded with more time
Its happened often but now I'm going to start putting my foot down, I'm just always nervous that if they dont get to orgasm then they may write me a bad review, so I try to make sure they have the best time possible but actually it was just me being stupid, I need to start treating my body like a business and stop giving away my time for free.
Thanks Guys!
But you have to do it the right way. Otherwise you get accused of being a clock-watcher. You have to find a happy medium.
Why not just up your time min. to 90 minutes? Add 50-100 to your hourly rate, and start offering only 1.5 hours vs. an hour.
As others have stated, going 5-10 minutes over is not that huge of a deal... but 20, 30, 40 minutes over...no. Just find a way to nicely let them know their time is up if it exceeds 10 minutes past, and if they would like to schedule more time. If not, well.. the appointment is over. There are gents who will purposely seek out ladies to try to pull this on, knowing they are going to go over, and having no intention of booking a longer time. You have to put your foot down when it extends this far past the end of an appointment. Will some put something negative in a review because of this? Possibly...but if the majority of your reviews are good, most who are reading them can see through "revenge reviews" quite easily.
Thanks Guys! x
And this is a great example of what some ladies seem to think they have to do when afraid of a bad review. And of the DB who take advantage of it. And some guys wonder why some ladies don't bother with reviews.
Just be firm and polite
I like you, but "why some ladies don't bother with reviews?????" It is not up to the lady re whether she is reviewed. It is up to the monger who saw her. Of course, she can request no review. But it is not up to her.
Can't/won't go into it here but it is possible.
I think she was referring to the ladies who have a "no reviews" policy.
Here's what neither of you get. You can have a "no reviews policy" but you are not in control of that. I
A reviewer can still review you despite that. To argue against that is like saying the tide shouldn't come in.
Personally, if a provider does not want a review, I will respect that. But that's out of simple respect. I can still do what i want.
Yes they can have a no review policy on TER, which means they are delisted and can't post ads on TER, and hobbyists can't post reviews of them (here).
However, as we all know there are many other review sites, which do not have similar policies.
But I know of 5 that will not post reviews if sent a certain type of email. Again, not difficult to get them removed with the right tools.
True, but all she said was some providers "don't bother with reviews," which is not quite the same as "having a no review policy" here. I assumed she was simply referring to providers who discourage reviews.
And, of course, if a reviewer received poor service, if the pix are old, etc., a review helps warn other clients.
You can write the review, you can submit the review but it won't get published. And if perchance it does, very simple to get it removed. All a lady has to know is how to facilitate this. Not difficult at all
Actually, I do "get" that. In fact, it has happened to me once in the distant past. In certain cases it has been used to abuse the system.
I am talking about ladies that do not want reviews from the get go, not gamers who want old bad reviews removed so they can come back under a new identity and start all over again.
Some women just hate the thought of being graded like sides of beef or the risk of being gamed by unscrupulous hobbyists.
I get that. I think we simply had a semantic mis-communication. It's all good.
A woman has no control over whether she is reviewed. It is up to the monger who saw her.
When a 'monger' insists that a woman has no control over reviews? The attitude underlying this is creepy (possibly true for some providers). Still creepy
Unlike you, however, I am not assigning an attitude to a simple fact. Personally, I don't review anyone who doesn't want a review. But that does not change the fact that it's up to the reviewer. That's really just a simple fact, like whether or not the sun rises in the east. Like it or not doesn't change the answer.
And, as ps pointed out, the sun doesn't rise and set here on TER.
You can write the darn thing, submit it but if she has something set up with the site it will not get published for general viewing. So technically you can write a review, but it is useless unless it goes public
Sadly, this is true. It lies with the guys we choose to see....getting or not getting reviews, I mean. Some guys will LIE, saying they don't have a handle, don't write reviews, etc. just to go write a revenge review under an alias because their ATF does not like said provider. Yes, there are just as many catty and stupid hobbyists as there are providers.
Some guys just will not accept that some ladies are never reviewed and it is out of their control.
Right, but, as I said above that's not what your original post on this suggested. Had you said "delisted" I would not have responded as I did. As for other sites, ps is correct. I'm a member of two that have a different policy from TER.
I am referring to ladies who do not want reviews out of the gate and contact sites with the right approach.
My original post mentioned not wanting any reviews period. I added delisting if a review got through and I believe being delisted is the only way to get it removed, hence preventing any further
Or are you advertising for only 55 minutes?
You are going well beyond the hour LOL
FWIW..Stop that nonsense today. Don't let those assholes take advantage of you.
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I will give extra time for decent non manipulative guys every time. but if I suspect someone is gaming the system, yes we get gamed too, then I do what any hobbyist would do in the case of lady gaming the system, stop it right then and there and then not bother seeing them again.
LMAO!
I doubt that, honey if she cares enough to extend it...
Lookoo, care about yourself too, or others won't. Don't let ppl take advantage of you or you'll wear yourself out!
Another approach: one gal I know insists on guys showering first, so her rate is based on a 70 min. session.
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Some guys feel that the money they give a lady is enough. Others like to go a little beyond that. Neither is wrong.
I don't call guys who pay my fee cheap because they don't tip. Nor should a lady be called a clock watcher if she insists on the hour paid for
...but I would think a dude who just got 40 extra minutes would think to tip?
I don't call guys who pay my fee cheap because they don't tip. Nor should a lady be called a clock watcher if she insists on the hour paid for.
if you have been working it for close to an hour and he's not there yet its up to him to work with you to make it happen. Going over time is always a great thing, but you have to feel good about it and not feel you are being taken advantage of. Some times it's just not going to happen, or if he needs more time he needs to book a longer session. You risk a bad review even if it wasn't your fault but if he isn't a complete asshat he should understand.
Your feedback would be appreciated!
PS yes I'm a girl -- I just picked a shitty alias name and now I dont how to change it.
first of all congratulations but book for 90 minutes next time.
if you are blaming her then
you messed up and picked the wrong provider.
to answer you question an hour is an hour
Short answer up front. You are under NO obligation to GIVE anyone ANYTHING! If they paid for an hour, they get an hour. Some ladies are sticklers on 60 minutes, some allow 5-15 minutes leeway. In general though, the leeway is typically to allow a few minutes at the start to shower/brush teeth, and or a few minutes at the end for the same.
If he is regular and is just having a bad day then being a little generous with your time will probably pay off in the long run with repeat business. You just have to be careful to not let it become an every time thing. Maybe the second time it happens, at the end of the session say "it seems an hour is not long enough for you, perhaps we should try a 90 minute session next time?"
If he is just being s Dbag, show him to the door with a hug and kiss. If he complains, show him to the door with a boot in the ass.
Listen to your instincts...they are usually right.
Bring extra cash and if you both have enough energy left as the hour is ending, ask for an extension. Have done this many times, even with agency girls. Let the girl make a quick call to the agency and [90% of the time] you are off to the races.
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in reviews that you gave them OTC or extra time and then it becomes an expectation to other guys. When you don't give them the same extra time, they will write a bad review. If you have to lie and say you have a prior engagement to be off to (pick up kids from school, whatever), make up a lie.
You can simply tell them you have an appointment to be at without having to lie. No need to tell them it is with your Hitachi because they did nothing for you!
If they can't come in an hour, it's not your problem. Now if you want to give them extra OTC time, and you are enjoying their company, that's up to you, but I think you are being way too generous, and these guys are taking advantage of you.
This was also a perfect post to post as an alias (for those who think aliases are useless). If you posted this under your real provider name, I can imagine the line forming to see you for all the free time! (just look at the replies on the thread.)
And yes it is easy to change your alias. Just click the "contact us" button and say, "I want to change my alias to..." but I think you are only allowed to change it once every three months, so if it is brand new, you may have to wait a little bit.
PS. I have a hard time coming. I want to book with you to and get an exta hour OTC
J/K Good luck with this and with the alias thing.
to be in control of the time factor. I don't mind saying it, but most of the time it is the hobbyists that aim to take advantage. You just have to be in control of it.
Something else, when reviews are posted and I read that "she was not a clock watcher" that is an invitation for the hobbyists who pull that shit overstay their welcome. Like any extra services, it should not be mentioned in a review because others will expect the same.
Be tactful and nice but also firm and get them out the door on time.
If it happens once and you go over 20-30 minutes or more so he can have his O and he books again, let him know you would love to see him for a 90 minute booking. If he's not trying to take advantage, it should be fine with him to do so. If he gives you flack, then the writing is on the wall, he knows he's taking advantage.
Steph
You are being a fucking idiot; your words....you are allowing these clients to extend the time and they know it; you are attempting to be nice, but they are taking advantage of the situation. You have to be firm that an hour is an hour, and if they wish to extend the time, pay accordingly. Extra time, or off the clock time is usually reserved for respected repeat clients. It is also in your best interests to pace the activity of the session to have them finish in the allotted time; im confused why it takes someone one hour and forty minutes to cum....
Don't tell me you have never heard of guys holding off till the 59 minute mark. And then there are those that hold off for too long and can't finish in the hour
"Although I am not one to watch the clock, please be respectful by scheduling the time you think you need. I STRONGLY suggest scheduling 90 minutes..." for our first date
A man, if he's been with a woman before, knows whether or not he is cutting it close by only scheduling an hour, (or half,) IMO.
Putting that on my site has almost completely eliminated that problem. In the event it doesn't, five minutes before the appt ends, I ask if they would like to extend or if there is anything that would help him "O" so he can leave happy. The dude is usually happy to accommodate the funds, or to help me out.
If they say they shouldn't have to, which happens, then they should schedule more time so ... well ... they don't have to.
Your feedback would be appreciated!
PS yes I'm a girl -- I just picked a shitty alias name and now I dont how to change it.
Dear Ms. Ova:
How are you perceived now since you have stated in so many words that you are firm but fair with your time, as well as, your ample derriere? Are there any strong discussions if there are misunderstanding or do you get out ahead of it before a session? Questions that I am sure that you would address on your site. However do you feel the need to reiterate them sporadically.
I'm not sure what you're asking. May you rephrase if I didn't answer correctly below?
This is reiterated because it relates directly to the OP. It has helped in my communication with the gents, which has made for better time management and appropriate scheduling, i.e. avoiding awkwardness. I thought it would help someone else. Yes, people have stayed a little over as stated my reviews, but not a ridiculous amount. I'm not by the minute, nor do I stare at the clock ever... but it was in context with the thread and I repeated it in a different way in this same thread because there was a question raised about my first reply that needed clarification.
Why does this upset you?
If you look, I'm perceived very well by the gents. I'm genuine, I actually spend time with the guys and enjoy their company, and they know it. I never ask for a review from any client, so I'm assuming all the reviews I have are truthful. So. If you want to know how I am perceived, read them... especially the ones about losing track of time, me not being a clock watcher, and about my asking how to help a man leave satisfied when time was running out. There is a gentle way to do this with an ending in favor of both parties.
Let me know if you have any more questions. I don't read minds, I read my reviews and listen to what people say to me.
Courtney
How are you perceived now since you have stated in so many words that you are firm but fair with your time, as well as, your ample derriere? Are there any strong discussions if there are misunderstanding or do you get out ahead of it before a session? Questions that I am sure that you would address on your site. However do you feel the need to reiterate them sporadically.
No worries Courtney. No one here is ever sure what dupie is asking!
What do you mean by my derierre? Where is that?
How are you perceived now since you have stated in so many words that you are firm but fair with your time, as well as, your ample derriere? Are there any strong discussions if there are misunderstanding or do you get out ahead of it before a session? Questions that I am sure that you would address on your site. However do you feel the need to reiterate them sporadically.
because your "derriere" is your ass, in fact. So I do believe that he was suggesting that you have a fat one!
Although "ample derriere" does sound like a compliment, something on the order of "baby's got back" :
A cheap way to try to win a debate... an insult thrown in that has nothing to do with the subject.
I love my ass, my curves, my face, my tits, everything about my body. I always like to improve, but I wanna' keep that ass as long as I live!
So... no victory for you today hun.
P.S. I forgot to mention in answer to ...the question that didn't really make much sense, if someone ever gets angry before or during an appointment, I don't see them from that point on. I have told gents to leave, compensating them for the time as it's too dangerous to argue money with an angry man. So, if they ever get angry, GTFO.
Although "ample derriere" does sound like a compliment, something on the order of "baby's got back"
I love my ass, my curves, my face, my tits, everything about my body. I always like to improve, but I wanna' keep that ass as long as I live!
So... no victory for you today hun.
P.S. I forgot to mention in answer to ...the question that didn't really make much sense, if someone ever gets angry before or during an appointment, I don't see them from that point on. I have told gents to leave, compensating them for the time as it's too dangerous to argue money with an angry man. So, if they ever get angry, GTFO.
Although "ample derriere" does sound like a compliment, something on the order of "baby's got back"
Oh great, now you can just rock me to sleep...
actually, that doesn't sound like a bad idea
One of the benefits of healthy thighs and a**!
XOXO,
Courtney
actually, that doesn't sound like a bad idea
Your feedback would be appreciated!
PS yes I'm a girl -- I just picked a shitty alias name and now I dont how to change it.
The gentlemen in this hobby are paying you for your time. Period. Now, during that 'time', it is not YOUR responsibility to try to control how fast someone's body is going to react within that small allotment of what that clock is reading. That's not part of the deal and definitely not your responsibility. If we tried to take control of what mother nature's intentions on someone's hmmmm how shall I put it.....'erotic diligence' was, well that just wouldn't be right now would it. I find it puts just as much pressure on the gentleman more than anyone in this business...but yes, that damn clock, it has to be there. No one and I mean NO ONE likes to watch a clock...let's be real. It puts a damper on pretty much everything but a necessary means.
IMHO this is exactly WHY hourly appnts don't work. Time always runs over, with anything. In that case one of 2 things will happen....either he is getting a 'good' deal or you are yes, being 'taken' for that extra time. It's either scenario when a 'clock' is involved. You need to somehow take control of your 'time' management skills, but yes for some it is a hard thing to do indeed. It will get easier over time.
If this is your problem and consistently happens, which it seems it does and most definitely appears to be getting under your skin, only you can change it, even with all the feedback given on here. It seems the simple solution is yes, to require a 90 or 2 hr min would be my choice. Then you will find the 'time' to feel comfortable for you for whatever happens. 2 hrs goes quickly, we all know this. I'm still amazed at the 30 min ladies lol. If you lose a client or two then you're better off not meeting with them anyhow as they were just takers obviously. The gentlemen who 'get it' will respect your changes and you will still be on their bucket list of amazing ladies to keep seeing. In the end, you will have a better time as well as the gentleman you are with. The clock can sit in the corner ticking away........
The 'minute' you relinquish any control is the 'minute' you are allowing someone to take away what you've worked hard to create. Simply don't allow it.
Your feedback would be appreciated!
PS yes I'm a girl -- I just picked a shitty alias name and now I dont how to change it.
Your feedback would be appreciated!
PS yes I'm a girl -- I just picked a shitty alias name and now I dont how to change it.
Please re-phrase? lol
Your feedback would be appreciated!
PS yes I'm a girl -- I just picked a shitty alias name and now I dont how to change it.
...minimum appointment 90 minutes. You have asked about the guy not finishing in an hour. You have not indicated that you have a problem with hour appointments. The guys taking 40 extra minutes are taking advantage of your good nature. Suggest they might book 90 minutes in the future. But I see no reason for you to go to 90 minute minimum appointments because of the situation you describe here.
He knows if he can finish in an hour. If he can't on a regular basis he should be up front with you about it & schedule longer. Within reason you have to do this your way.
I def don't say do a 90 min minimum. I suggest 90 minutes for the meet and greet bc they're almost always extended to 90 minutes as they like to start out chatting and end chatting. I post on my site, "90 minutes STRONGLY encouraged for meet and greet". No pressure, no clock watching, we get to have a relaxed time together... and they leave with an 'O' under their belt. (literally)
He knows if he can finish in an hour. If he can't on a regular basis he should be up front with you about it & schedule longer. Within reason you have to do this your way.
It depends on how nice you want to be. You would be technically within your rights to kick him out after an hour. But going an extra 15 minutes or so to ensure that he cums is greatly appreciated by most guys. 40 minutes seems a bit long though, I don't know what his problem was. If he can't cum in an hour plus 30 or so minutes, that's a fail on him.
So yes, it's fair to end the session at a certain point if it is past time. However, if you're going to do that then it has to go both ways. If he pays for an hour and cums in 25 minutes, then you have to give him the other 35 minutes that he paid for to cum again or chat or feel you up or whatever. I hate when I get kicked out as soon as I cum if it's well short of an hour.
If it's a repeat client just tell him he needs to book more time.
I have to ask...(no pun intended)but are you fucking and sucking these guys correctly?
*slaps cashorcredit on the hand*
The dudes aren't scheduling enough time.
I have to ask...(no pun intended)but are you fucking and sucking these guys correctly?
For slapping me you have to kiss it and make it better lol
After reading some of your reviews... I guarantee if i were with you, it would not take me an hr and 40 minutes to get off!!
All better! xoxo
Thank you by the way. *blushes*
As a gal who prides myself in not "clock-watching," I have also wondered where the line is between ignoring the time and just being taken advantage of.....
There is a lot of gray.......AND creamy, white area there! In my personal experience, it is VERY rare to have a gentleman truly run over-time due to climactic delays. (It's usually just friendly post conversation.)
I think it is imperative to try your best to meet client needs but, if you find someone is manipulating or taking advantage of your time then you must throw in the towel....even if it's dry. I can only stress that it's rare to face, so if you are seriously contemplating the issue; there is probably more going on.
if you have a fine gourmet meal? do you still want dessert?..
Your feedback would be appreciated!
PS yes I'm a girl -- I just picked a shitty alias name and now I dont how to change it.
OK I am a client. If she can hit the right spot, I can cum quickly... even too quickly. On the other hand, if she's not fitting my hot spot... 1 hour or several... it's not likely to happen!
Some of this is on me. If it's not working, I tell her & we try something else. As time approaches, I want my conclusion. She has my permission to do what ever it takes to make it happen somehow. This might include switching again, going to a BJ, a BJ with lots of hand (some consider this a 'cheat' way to get the guy to pop fast and it might be... but NOT after other things have been tried!) Or a HJ. I've requested & received a quick HJ finish at the closing time. We might be 10-15 over by the time we're dressed.
Allowing 40 minutes over is abusive. HE knows better. It's not right. As the clock is winding down, either he needs to extend (and pay) or she needs to take control & offer a quick conclusion.
Cutting off at the exact time, is CLOCK watching & I've had it done to me... and I never went back. But as the time approaches, the rules change.
A provider MUST BE an excellent time manager without letting it appear so. Hidden clocks, music tracks, a good sense of time... she must manage her time.
Last time I looked an hour is an hour and a guy should know his body and should communicate a change up if things are not hitting the spot. And not at the top of the hour but at some point approaching so the time paid for is not abused.
You guys want this extra 10 to 15 minutes not paid for but cry like a baby with colic if you are short changed 10 or 15 minutes. Why not be fair and go with the time paid for?
I know some hobbyists get all bent out of shape if they can't have the extra time and won't go back, but here's the other side of that, the ladies may not want you back for squeezing extra time.
And I am managing my time if I shut it down at 60 minutes after I have done my best
you, as the provider, should change what you are doing to help him finish. For example, if he is having a problem doing FS because of the condom, then remove the condom and finish with a BBBJ or BBBJ/HJ while talking dirty or whatever else you can think of to get him to cum.
Also, do you spend too much time with the "get to know you" chit chat at the beginning of a session?
The gist here is that, if he's not getting there, it's the providers fault.
So, if the expectation is that she default to a BBBJ (which, we have to infer from your example is not her choice, since she had him covered to begin with), why bother with expecting her to remove the condom only for the BBBJ? If she needs him out the door----?
It certainly could be that all of her upfront getting to know him chitchat is the real source of the problem. Goodness, that probably sucks-up..what...5 minutes?
Then again, if he knows that 5 minutes is going to blow his game, he could be completely upfront and tell her to STFU from time zero. 'Course, that might make it a bit harder for her to know what he's looking for.
Maybe she should mine and gesture with his cock in her mouth.....?
dependin on how its goin , I give a heads up as hour is nearin if they r hard core non stop and squeeze every nit of energy u may have for full hour n dislike the relaxing lookin at your pretty face n talkn, I accomadate all styles and when they aren't balls to wall full hour I enjoy it more, the ones whom plow nonstop full session its overwhelming, but. never the less this is why its called work n its a lot a lot of money that not many are lucky enough to enjoy . as hour is nearing I will say ok lets try n finish it up ! fifteen more min, to a certain point I will go over ten min or so. its up to the woman and of course if you are on a chedule you cannot accomadate evenb ten min overtime, unless u want to miss your next apt, and , if your at a hotel or touring revolving the whole day arounbd one guy isn't realistic not should they expect that if they respect your having a lot on plate to cover before ypour take home, food , maintenance I call it{nails hair fashion time needed to get head in right place to do sessions} for mne I must miustv prepare my own meals and be on strict sleep/excercize regime or I will outright cancel then perhaps offer a discount if they choose to reschedule as a good business move. I cant work unless everythings perfect and have made mistake of hastily doin a date when I wasn't prepared and god it wasn't worjh it, I think the clients would rather you politely cancel n maybe offer some form of discount if they even choose to rebook w you. but if you know your not havn a fresh mani n pedi , haqir flawless fav lingeraie ready, I freak if I don't have thigh highs n a garter. its a pre requisite for me to perform,
also if I ate bad food I get lethargic n lose my mojo, and also know I wont be able to pull off performing like some sex starved vixen that's hungry for cock.
I think if its a first time client the session should end within the timeframe paid for. If you have a regular client that YOU want to spend the extra time with then go for it. I personally have trouble finishing due to age/condom etc. i have been seeing one lady regularly for several years and sometimes she allows me extra time but usually I will end the session myself out of respect for her time or give her extra even though she was willing to give OTC time to me. If you find a client who is respectful to you and you enjoy him make him feel extra special and he will continue to come back to you for more and you hopefully wont have to deal with these douchbags anymore. Goodluck
It gets lonely traveling, and every now and then it's nice to make a friend and just let your hair down and hang, go out to eat, let them show you around...
But, I've found after a while the fantasy ends if I do this too much. It becomes too real to the guy. Could be an assumption, but I welcome thoughts.
Your right about the to getting to real part. She has asked me to call her just to talk. sometimes I do but I also try not to call to often because I can't afford to get attached to her as I have an SO. I guess you just have to be careful and just realize that in the end nothing is going to come of the "relationship" and just enjoy each others company for what it is.