the age of the person reviewing the provider is relevant. some of the mixed reviews seem to indicate that a young provider may have some negative feelings for an older hobbyist. some of the hobbyist do reveal their age or that they or older and my comparison do tend to support this point.

as i'm a little grey i've noticed it myself.

second it would be interesting to compare subsequent sessions to
determine wether a so so provider improves with a regular. some reviews do suggest that some do in fact improve. i've noticed that some of the providers that are in it for the short term don'while the longer termers definately will improve if you repeat. regular customers mean less risk and a nice constant stream of income. i've found this to be true with a provider who is moody but is willing to engage in much more activity as we get to know each other though her persona remains the same b she always aims to please cause she wants me and my $$ back.

my theories are based upon my behaviorist philosophy. rewards and punishments. the idea essentially is to condition the provider to behave in the manner that the hobbyist wants. this may take some time and several repeats with alittle improvement each time.

in that vein i always bring a little gift. chocolates wine ect.
not expensive necessarily. its a lot harder for a hard women to treat you dismissive when you were nice. on the other hand if the gifts mean nothing then you got a stone cold b and it may be a waste of time. nice to find that out early without blowing a lot of $$.

the incall information is sometimes vague. I believe that the providers who have incall at their home are safer and more responsive. after all you know where they live. they risk an unstable and unsatisfied hobbyist coming back and harrasing them. not me of course but they have a vested interest in not pissing off the customer. also le not likley to infiltrate a private residence. i understand that the law gives the individual the maximum right to privacy in the home and is the most difficult place to search. they tend to go after the hotel and street walker crowd. lots of prey and easier to catch. they prefer the path to least resistence just like any other predator.

in the end the contingencies of reinforcement dominate the providers behavior. in the beginning the provider feels that she dominates because she is providing the reward. the key is to even the playing field by making her feel that she wants your reward, regular $, nice guy, presents ect., as much or more than you need her. this can't be acheived in one session. so a hotty with a so so attitude may be conditioned to be a hottie with a gfe attitude for you but not in one session. of course the providers that already get the message and provide 8-10 service are easier to deal with but they tend to be older. its the young poviders that need to training. most i believe could care less if they get a bad review. they think their so hot and that their looks are eternal. like i stated previously i have completely turned a young hottie with big attitude completely so that she "worries" that she pissed me off. she called and apologized for not being up to par on a particular evening. even though i had a great time i let her think i was pissed but nice gut that i am i forgave her.

with her i always get gfe no matter what b mood she's in. it took a little time and patience but now i have a blast with a provider that has some pretty weak reviews. i mentioned the reviews to her and she could care less. she does like the little  gifts, hot oil rubs i give her and the regular donaro to much to let me go home unhappy. as a hobbyist i find it fun and challenging to watch their behavior being modified to my liking.

by the way the first visit was $$$ now she happy with $$ or less.

i would suggest each hobbyist read b.f skinner's book entitled
Beyond Freedom and Dignity as it spells out exactly how to use rewards and punishments to shape human and provider behavior.

its basically a manual on how to shape people and providers behavior. it works!

what do you think?

interesting thought(s). though in my (limited) experience it is very hard to get providers to salivate ("go Pavlovian") everytime you ding-a-ling their doorbell. more likely than not we're simply their "6-o'clock" or "car payments" ... in principle however, i do agree.

as for age of the hobbyist, you have a valid point. but given that it's so hard to know the exact age of the PROVIDER, what chance do we have in establishing the age of the HOBBYIST? ...  i've been very careful to "cloak" my real age (along with other things) in order to avoid any future "Gotcha's" -- btw, how many folks here have considered the vulnerability resulting from what words they deposit on this board for all eternity? you must know that it can all be dug up by a robot script web-crawler launched by a prospective employer or [gulp] a divorce lawyer!  LOL

but i digress   ...  age, yes! there are many other things i would like to know about the reviewer (that would help me in digesting his review) and in no particular order (other than character length) they are:

1. age
2. wealth
3. education
4. nationality
5. marital status
6. were they breast-fed?
7. do they prefer golf to sex?
8. just how often and how much do they tip?
9. is their ego inversely proportional to their schlong?






-- Modified on 7/21/2003 5:11:49 PM

1. age............36

2. wealth......Not after divorce

3. education.......High School grad.

4. nationality......White, mix breed

5. marital status........See number 2

6. were they breast-fed?......My mother isn't home right now, i left a message on her answering machine asking.

7. do they prefer golf to sex?.....It depends on the ladys in the area and availability

8. just how often and how much do they tip?.....Probably about 70% of the time i have. Anywhere from from 1/2$ to $$ once(hey, she knocked my socks off, ya know).

9. is their ego inversely proportional to their schlong?.....No, both are undersized

With all the great providers out there why all the effort to make one you don't click with into what you want?  BTW I don't think repeats are better unless the first time was great.  But than again why see someone again if the first time wasn't great?

-- Modified on 7/20/2003 6:50:56 PM

I couldn't agree more.

There are so many nice women out there why bother with the ones that are not.  But I must say I have recently had the pleasure of a young lady that at first was not that great.  I saw her for the third time last week.  I believe she is on her way to being one of the best providers around. I have to take issue with anyone that manipulates someones behavior by pretending to be pissed off to get a certain reaction. Not a proper way to treat a lady.  It may work but the ends do not justify the means.

-- Modified on 7/20/2003 7:47:52 PM

BTW, mom called back. Said no, i wasn't breast fed. Guess that might explain why i'm a leg man?

Now, if someone could just explain what's happening to my damn vision!!

Your thoughtful (and honest?) post is interesting and appreciated, but I have to ask a few questions.

You mention rewards and punishments and seem to enjoy observing your ability to manipulate the behavior of others.

1.  Did you identify with the perpetrator in "Silence of the Lambs".  Not Hannibal Lechter (Anthony Hopkins), the guy who Jody Foster's character is trying to catch.

2.  Did you particularly admire Anthony Hopkins' character?

3.  Do you consider hobbying sessions a win/lose situation where you either win or lose at whatever game you are playing?

I don't quite understand why you would go back to a provider who is dismissive of you.  Yes - many of the young hot providers do think and act as if their physical attributes will override all other factors and are contemptuous of their clients.  BUt if I experience that I do not go back for more.

As you noted, you try to change their view of you through little gifts/bribes - it seems like you are somehow getting an ego boost by manipulating these women into somehow relating to you, maybe even liking you more by bribing them with minor trinkets. Thereby, maybe turning the tables on them where you become contemptuous of them when they change their behavior towards you as a result of these bribes.

What is the end goal for you? Getting them to provide a better experience?  Why not just go with proven providers.  But my impression, maybe right or wrong, is that you want to control/manipulate these women for the sake of control more so than providing better sex.  If that's the case, you need to do that with rats not with humans - as bitchy and contemptuous they may act towards you.

Your post kind of gives me that cold, clamy, creepy feeling reminiscent of Hannibal the Canibal.