For reasons that should be obvious to anyone who knows me, I have no interest in getting into the middle of this quagmire. But based on my personal knowledge, I would like to make one thing clear: Miki did not put Bill up to anything. Bill is a complete free agent.
Going forward, I hope we all have enough common sense to avoid talking about the personal lives of providers or hobbyists on public discussion boards, including chat rooms.
He calls me a white knight; WTF was his personal campaign against Michelle besides a moralistic one? Michelle and Karrie simply insulted him when he kept getting in their faces over something that had nothing to do with him. Miki did nothing to him and took wild shots from Michelle because he wouldn't step his devious ass out from behind an alias. Now he claims she was going to attack Miki anyway. So why stay in the alias? Yes, he denied he was Miki, and knew that his denial didn't mean shit behind a hostile alias.
None of them did anything to him that makes his actions understandible. For Michelle, he couldn't be content to just not see her and warn other guys not to. No! She was too successful even with her personality flaws. He had to bring her down, he had to manipulate her, and he didn't care if another lady got hurt.
I've seen his similar run-ins with Karrie that led up to this with Michelle, just as low key, but very inexplicable when they happen. He has it in for her too.
These are three of my favorite ladies BTW. I've seen Michelle several times, and only "defective geography" and a defective wallet has kept me from seeing both Miki and Karrie.
His resentment and remorselessness is so total and unaccountable it is frightening. Not only that, the fact that he judges that women shouldn't succeed due to "personality flaws" that are *none of his business.* It's one thing to comment on them in a forum, it's quite another thing to go after people because of it.
I move that we kick Bill18356 before we see anymore disgusting carnage.
Since you are still dwelling on this. Bill is a dick. No doubt about it, but for ANYONE, to air personal info on this site is outrageous. His methods were scummy, but his point was proven, and we should all learn from them. Zin, I would hate to be on Michelle's bad side, if she knew me. Stop worrying about banishment, and worry more about discretion.
Anyone can be mean when pushed far enough and Michelle was pushed very far. We should question Miki's judgment for becoming friends with Bill, and allowing him to use her like he did.
When you honestly believe someone is attacking you, you bite back. Michelle honestly thought that it was Miki attacking her, for information bill knew about Michelle was info Miki knew. Miki armed Bill with this ammo, and set him free with it. Miki knows what Bill is capable of and she is laughing and happy that he did her dirty work for her, making her ass smell like roses so she can play the innocent victim here.
Tune into the New York board, it should have never been brought here anyhow. (to either one really)
With all the gtg, coffee clutches in coffee shops, stand up comedy events, and the close knit gatherings in nyc put on by the two girls at large.. It should've been talked about in one of those places.. Not HERE! Man, I am glad I live 500 miles away upstate . HA!
Removal isnt the answer. People just come back and do the same, but worse. Ignore Ignore Ignore..
Damn good question. Michelle has always been my favorite person on these boards due to her charisma and intelligence. She is never afraid to say what she thinks and I have always admired her for that. I am sure there are certain people who are gleeful over her departure, but I know there are others, like me, who are fucking pissed off like you wouldn't believe. It would be nice if those ladies and gentlemen would come forth now and say so. The ones from the LA board and the NY board that always enjoyed her presence here. Post here on this board now and be sure to write Staff a letter to let him know you aren't happy with this latest decision to ban Michelle. If you are really her friends, now is the time to step up and show it. Liking Michelle doesn't mean you have to side against Miki...so speak freely.
For reasons that should be obvious to anyone who knows me, I have no interest in getting into the middle of this quagmire. But based on my personal knowledge, I would like to make one thing clear: Miki did not put Bill up to anything. Bill is a complete free agent.
Going forward, I hope we all have enough common sense to avoid talking about the personal lives of providers or hobbyists on public discussion boards, including chat rooms.
Not sure I understand Ock's post. I certainly didnt put Bill up to any of this. I dont think I've ever even had a discussion with Bill about Michelle except once when a couple of months ago he made a random comment to me about not liking her tattoos. (Gee, there's a surprise). Actually, I've always admired her tattoos.
This entire episode has made me re-think my views about the TER discussion board. My current views are similar to Anneke's. Public comments about the personal lives of providers and hobbyists should be avoided. If I have not always lived by that rule in the past I intend to do so in the future.
Ock, if you want to talk with me privately, feel free. I'm open to constructive, well-meaning criticism.
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