I've been perplexed for some time about the correlation in the 'performance' scores of escort v massage.  I can't recall the others, but there is one new review posted today of Alexis (818 area code) that is an example of what I find confusing.

The TER review guidlines only refer to 'provider' which would seem to encompass both the massage & escort categories equally. These guidlines indicate that a provider can't be rated higher than 7 in performance unless one (or more can't recall) of the following is on the menu:  Kiss with tongue, BBBJ, really bi, or more than 1 guy at a time.  

Alexis advertises as an escort.  The TER profile lists her as both escort & massage.  Fine so far.  She has 3 reviews, one of which gives her a 9 for performance.  That's OK until you see the review mentions only a massage & HJ release.  The other 2 reviews (scores of 7) also say pretty much the same thing.  Looking back at the TER profile shows a "no" to any type of BJ, let alone BB, & a "don't know" to the other services supposedly required for the score above 7.  In fact most of profile points were either "no" (including sex) or "don't know."  So how is the 9 warranted?

I'm not trying to trash any of those who wrote the reviews...it's a legitimate question in my mind because I've seen the same sort of thing in the past.  There's something I apparently don't understand.      

-- Modified on 8/27/2001 12:53:03 PM

I would have to agree with GW.  Granted scores are very subjective to each reviewer, but the guideline must be followed.  If a provider does not give bbbj, does not kiss with tounge, doesn't like bi, or does not do more than one guy, there is no way she should receive a score higher than 7 in performance.  I know, I know, some might argue that a provider is really a sweet heart, a true GFE and all.  But IMHO, the guideline to the physical performace takes precedence when it comes to score.  Again, giving performance score is very subjective.  So please, no flames.  Thanks.

we come up against this all the time-   objective vs. subjective scores.   Some guys are actually using a scale about how they FEEL after an episode-  satisfied/drained/like they got intimacy   --- others are using the scale numerically-6 for a cbj, 8 for a bbbj, in the manner set up in the prose.

Personally, I treat all reviews like a college entry form-  the essay is a big part of the grade.   I DO think that those who get hung up on numerical scores are missing out-like this is a game where stats are usueful!

I think its all good, since anyone who is expecting to reach numerical checkpoints in this field needs to think more about what this is and what they are expecting.   These ARE ladies, not orgasmbots!

I would agree with you greywolf. However, I must admit that in the past I have given an 8 in a situation were 7 is technically the best that should be given on an objective, strictly by the book basis. I normally will elaborate in the details narrative as to why this was done, however, so as not to mislead anyone. Sometimes it is difficult because a FBSM shouldn't be higher than a 7, but lady may indeed, "go the extra mile" in a FBSM to make the experience that much better (than FS that is more mechanical, but meets the "requirements" of the higher score).
JMHO
pt

I did not read all the requirements prior to the first review I posted and subsequently gave a score of 8 or 9(I forget) to a performance that was technically a 7.  However, the passion and enthusiasm involved with the session warranted a high score.  I agree with the person who stated you should read the descriptions in the paragraph section to get complete details of the encounter.  This should help with your expectations...

Well,GW, you have hit upon a tough one. I went back and re-read the TER criteria, then I checked about 30 of the reviews of my favorite lady. I chose her as an example because she does none of those things which should warrant a score above 7, if the TER criteria is used correctly. Yet, she is rated at 8 or 9 most of the time. As a matter of fact, I rated her a 9 myself when I reviewed her a couple of months ago. Which, I believe, illustrates two points; Most hobbyists rate the ladies they visit by emotion and feeling much more than by any set criteria, AND to many of us, there are more important things than those 4 factors contained in the standard TER criteria. For example, I don't care if she is BI, I am not a fan of the BBBJ, I don't want another guy in the action. A wet kiss would be nice, but it's not that important, either. What IS important is, that the lady "makes love" to me with her whole body, that she performs in a way which leaves me with a feeling that we have BOTH enjoyed our time together, that I don't feel rushed.
  This is why I pay little attention to the numerical scores when I am shopping for a new experience. I simply look for those who do the things I like, rule out those who do the things which I don't like and/or believe to be unacceptable health risks. One more point; The TER standards state that TER staff will downgrade any review in order to comply with established standards. I would hope that my favorite lady, and others as sweet and worthy as her would not be downgraded because they don't do bbbj, or allow two guys, etc. perhaps TER staff should develop a new, more inclusive, more realistic set of criteria. How "bout it, staff?

It is so hard to rate this.  Every one of has a way of rating the providers.  To me, a girl may rate a 7 (seeing I have had many 10's to compare them too but another guys may have just had his best orgasm ever and give her a 10.  YMMV in full effect.

Part of the idea behind this scale was to give providers who had "additional" services a higher rating than those who don't.  
We have not been enforcing the rating system as well as we should but we are open to suggestions..

-- Staff

Staff,

It may surprise some who have read this post, but I pay little attention to the numbers myself except when I have time read only some of the reviews.  What I do look for are certain things on the profile (it's important that these be kept as up to date & accurate as possible IMHO) & that the essay portion of the review actually says.  That's really the only way I can get an idea of what time spent with the gal may be like.  And frankly there's only one item on the "extra credit" lists that would ever take place with me personally.  Thankfully the system doesn't require EACH of them.

My reason for bringing this up was the lack of consistency.  I mean if there are rules...shouldn't they be followed?  There are many ways it can create confusion if they aren't...I'm sure citing examples isn't necessary.

I certainly like the fact that there ARE numeric scores as part of the reviews, & I think the profile info is a must as are the essay parts..both general & juicy.  

It's also good to separate the numeric scoring into the two parts as has been done.  But because looks are equally subjective as performance...why not just do away with the extra credit requirements entirely???  There aren't any similar requirements in the looks category (IE: breast size, height, body type, hair color, etc etc etc) & there shouldn't be.  I really think we can be as objective about the performance numbers as we are about the numbers for looks.    

     

-- Modified on 8/29/2001 4:31:01 PM

-- Modified on 8/29/2001 5:35:36 PM

As reflected in the lack of consistancy, I think most members ignore the standards as established by TER, and TER themselves don't enforce them. Like you, I am not interested in the things which merit extra points, and I think we have a lot of company. Personally, I think a number rating should (and probably already does in most cases), reflect the level of satisfaction with the experience. the narrative, along with all the other information given elsewhere is certainly sufficient to show what the provider offers. Perhaps a little more effort should go into ensuring all the statistics are accurate. For example, if an escort does not offer BBBJ, then nothing in her reviews should indicate that she does offer such services. If this is inaccurate, disappointment and anger results. I know this is so, just listening to my favorite lady tell her stories.
  At the risk of redundancy let me state it a little differently; If I leave after an exceptionjally good sexual experience with a smile on my face and a song in my heart, I am going to rate the lady at 9 or 10, and I don't care if she is BI, or if she would allow another guy, etc. So, let's keep the numbers, but drop the standards, as now seems to be the practice with most, anyway.

perhaps the staff could just drop the items listed as "out of the ordinary" services and leave the meaning of "out of the ordinary" services to the reviewer. For some, this may mean that the lady went overtime, for another she did offer a BBBJ, etc. Each reviewer can explain in the details section why they elevated her above the "7" for a hot time. By the same token, they should explain a lower rating even if "out of the ordinary" services were provided. I think that some reviewers may feel that only those items listed on the explanation page justify the higher rating.
pt

Yes.  somewhere on this thread I read "drop the standards" .  I understood the spirit of the post to mean "prerequisites", rather than "standards" - semantics, well, okay.

Still, the meaning to me holds.

So "she" (object of the review), offers extras and thereby merits a rating of 10 ... yet, "she" is mechanical.  But still "10" by virtue of the fact that she offers the extras. Even if begrudgingly.  Hmmm.  Letter of the law.

There is a  slot for attitude, but it doesnt count for the ratings, yet over and over gentlemen say that attitude has more to do with everything than well, you know.

Does this say something about how we prefer to rate:  would you gents  much prefer  attitude to have a greater say in rating than specific acts?   Are you looking for this to be a sex act oriented or an intimacy oriented  encounter?   Do we need to have a variance in ratings...if you are oriented to TS, go here, initmacy, go bere, sexual acts, go here.  

LE of course will hone in on the sex act related encounter.

Please all forgive my lack of clarity, I am sleep deficit right now, but needed to put this observation out here. And since I hate using an alias let's just say that FF had a late late night and an early a.m. but didnt want to wait another day to speak her piece.


Anybody, help, can you give me directions, I'm lost on the corner of Walk and Don't walk.

xoxo

FF, a Provider looking for a Kinder Gentler Way, a "User" friendly way...(Use me, Use me!)

 

-- Modified on 8/31/2001 10:06:28 PM

Ah Foxy,
Nuthin like a good sense of humor to get a guys attention.
XO

it was a service". These are useful, necessary, and I feel sufficient.

I agree that one guy may rate a girl a 7 and another (perhaps with less experience) may have the best orgasm ever and give her a 10.  We all know that ratings are subjective and YMMV.  I don't see a problem with this.

I feel that the performance rating should reflect how much the client enjoyed the session and nothing else.  Anyone interested in specific extras can search the profiles or read the text of the reports.

The present system tries to indicate both what the provider does and how well she does it.  It is difficult to comply with and difficult to enforce.  By trying to serve two masters it ends up serving neither well.

Just my humble opinion.