you can't support our troops, wish them godspeed and hope for their safe return and still be against military action?
Many go into the military for many different reasons. Yes...they all know when they enlist there is always that chance they will go to war, or an over seas conflict ect. But just by virtue of the fact that we raise our flag, and say we are proud and support our men and women overseas does not automatically mean we are For this war. i do not think our feelings or opinions on any of this are that black and white.
They spit all over my father when he came home from Vietnam. I am sure their are many of you out there with similar stories. He got damn tired of being called a baby killer. He joined the Marines for a couple of reasons. He went to Vietnam because they sent him there. And when he came home our country for the most part didnt treat him any better than most of you would treat Saddam or one of his cronies. Are we going to do the same to those fighting this time? remeber the old saying...those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
There are those of us painfully aware of whats going on. Some of us are trying to explain to our children what is going on when we in fact have are still trying to sort it all out in our our minds and hearts. You can protest a war and still feel pride in our country. Because the last time I checked, that was a big part of what makes America great,...you can disagree with the goverment and their actions without fear of death based on your opinion.
There is no harm, no foul in challenging what our goverment does. We supposidly are the ones who put these people in office. But remember there are sons and daughters...husbands and wives who are not home with their loved ones tonight. They are doing what THEY feel is right, just as you do by posting your opinion.
As time marches on and all the arm chair generals add their .02, I know less and less about why and how this all came about...or how it will end.
Lets not degrade those who bless our brothers and sisters overseas, because you can protest a goverment action and still wish for our troops to come home safely.
~~Lass
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My god people, we're tearing each other apart here. What the hell is happening to us?? I can understand that we are all under a higher level of stress lately due to the obvious, but it seems that everything that is said lately sparks it's own little war of sorts, no matter who says it.
In the grand scheme of things, i know that we that read this board and enjoy it so much(usually anyway) comprise just a minuscule microcosim of society as a whole, but i would hope that there is still a relatively good cross section of people here. That being said, if it's happening here, want's going to start happening on the streets soon??? It kinda makes you wonder alittle before stepping out the door in the morning.
I do support our men and women in all military branches. Not because i do or don't feel any particular way about Iraq. How i feel doesn't come into play. I support them because they deserve it. It's the least i can do for the people that go to places i hope never to have to go and do the things things i hope never to have to do so that i may sit here and write this. Right or wrong has little to do with it to me, they get my neverending support because they chose to give there life for me if that's what it takes. That's all i'm going to say on the issue, and i only said that much to clarify that one thing for everyone who reads this.
Perhaps we could all try to reel ourselves back in alittle, or check our thoughts on certain things at the door alittle more and get back to the basics of what we are all here for in the first place?
While i don't post often, i do very much enjoy my time digging thru the site as a whole. But lately it has become it seems to remind me more of Jerry Springer out takes then The Erotic Review.
Yes,yes, i know......General Discussion should be just that, and maybe if the issues at hand were alot more cut and dried, it would be. We do all have the right to say what we wish, just as i am now. It seems lately that we are being hit with a lack of credible information while at the same time being flooded with so much of it that it's causing sensory overload. I know, that makes no sence at all, but it's the best i can put it at the moment. All of which adds to the confusion which may lead to fear which usually manifests itself as anger.
Maybe we can all try to get back to discussing the thing that brought us all here in the first place. The thing we all look forward to and enjoy so much. Hobbying!!!!! :-P
That being said........let the flaming begin.
Wow! a man after my own heart....I agree! Are we having fun,yet?!![]()
Sweet tastes better than sour! Don't worry be happy! ![]()
Passed some young girls on a side walk today, maybe 13-15 years of age, waving peace signs and yelling peace slogans at motorists. Thought I'd give it a try, so asked them what age they thought were the men and women out in the sand going to battle for us. They answered 19-23, which I considered pretty perceptive. I then asked how they will feel when 6-8 years from now their 19-23 year old boy and girl friends (and maybe themselves) might very likely be out in the same sand fighting the same battles against the same but far more technologically destructive enemy. There these girls' perception died and they hemmed and hawed, and as I walked on I sensed a considerable drop in their peace slogan enthusiasm. None of us know for sure the relative risk/reward of this thing and the right answer only will be written in the prognostigators' guesses as to what might be or what might have been, so like most big decisions there's an equally big risk. All I know for sure is that we don't want to be on the losing side because political democracy and economic capitalism are inexorably linked and the former collapses without the latter into class warfare and eventually totalitianism. I'm not a Bushy and believe the coup he and his Repub friends pulled was unforgivable, but on the issue of Iraq and like situations I agree with him. And those young girl;s I passed on the side walk -- I think deep down they also now are more likely to.
Hardly debate, just asking them to think one step further than fashion and popularity. One small step. Interesting that they did it with little more than recognition of enlightened self interest. Just like most of us and most of our leaders and most of other nations' leaders. Sad but true, we must watch out for ourselves as well as being compassionate for others, cause no on is being particularly compassionate toward us.
Correction: With enough heat, and something shiny for the back.
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