good ol' 'fucking' vs 'making love' (yes, lol I said it) when it pertains to the act of intercourse lol.
Is there really such a thing as 'making love' or is 'fucking' just fucking and will always be 'fucking'...for pleasure and/or procreation.
Your thoughts and why?
Its still good ol' fuckin' even if its slow and sensual, unless you actually are in love with that person...
Since I am never in love with my hookers, I am never making love...
I'm speaking in general...are men capable of being 'in love' and 'making love' tho?
and of course I say that with 'love' 
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Yes they are...
I believe you lol .
You don't think most men are only capable of 'fucking' on most levels...what do you think?
Could there possibly be 'love' thrown in there sometimes, possibly. I was out and about yesterday and came across 4 weddings downtown...I was like, awwww look at the beautiful bride...then in the back of my mind I'm thinking...well good luck with that!! hahahahahahahaha
I know I'm a cynic. Terrible huh. Love men, dislike commitment. Not possible for 2 people to be committed to each other this day and age. Too much temptation around every corner for gal or guy. Too much work.
Everyone should just 'be'.
and i am the furthest thing from a mangina, or as you would put it, "a pussy" as you can get.
I will agree with you about commitment though. I am perfectly capable of falling in love, and when in love I don't even have a problem with fidelity, but I do have a short attention span, and I doubt I could ever make a lifetime commitment to any woman, The thought of NEVER fucking another woman again just doesn't compute in my little pea brain. lol
but to answer your OP, yes I love to make love. I love to fuck also, but making love beats fucking hands down.
However...who do you 'make love' with if you are not 'committed' to one lucky lady. That's typically how that works, isn't it?
Gambler and Laffy are an item.
Think outside the box...that's love!
Maybe it's because GaG so badly fucks Laffy over?
He does ask for it.
Taylor should be happy she didn't start off on the P&R board, if she thinks it's rough here, she has no idea the kid gloves we were wearing when we had our little fun with her. lol
Makes his drivel all the more relevant LOL
I told Beow a few threads down, that prison computers filter out TER!
so it's no wonder he was able to figure out a way. Well at least he claims to be smart and who am I to call him a liar. He also claims that birds are very smart animals, but I guess when you are outsmarted by a wascally wabbit for decades, the bar gets set pretty low.
Our taxpayer dollars hard at work 
it's a lifetime commitment that I can't seem to get my arms around.
Part of me doesn't want to grow old alone, but another part of me just can't imagine NEVER being with another woman for the rest of my life.The only alternative is to make vows you don't mean, and I won't do that. Unlike most of the guys here, I don't cheat, I just don't like living a lie and I won't live my life that way. So I live for the moment, and sometimes that means being in a committed relationship, but I am simply not in a place where I could even consider making a lifetime commitment. I hope that makes sense.
Become a Mormon.
Thank you
2013 = 28
and that whole magic underwear shit is a bit much for me to swallow as well. lol
respect your comment Gambler on all levels. I've seen married men and single men as it's all part of the biz, however, there is a stronger 'connection' if that's what you want to call with those who are 'single'. But I have a great time with those who are not in the same breath, it's just clearly different. Hard to explain.
have a commitment with someone emotionally while each partner having his and her permission to physically stray when desired. That's the only kind of relationship I could possibly have with someone, and it works very well when both partners are on the same page. 
In the real world most of the "intercourse" between 2 people is just "old fashioned f*cking." Routine "dating", "one night stands"etc. Each partner is primarily looking for their own enjoyment.
Sometimes, rarely, a couple do find "love" in a relationship and as "romantic" or "corny" as it may sound each puts their partner first; the physical act of "intercourse" then is just one part of their overall lovemaking as much as a kiss, or an embrace.
Maybe there isn't such a thing in reality as "making love" - but one can hope.
Even when I was a civilian, and when/if I date/pull in the civilian world, it is important to me to fully enjoy anyone I end up in bed with. And to fully enjoy them, we both must have fun. I don't enjoy one-sided encounters with anyone- in any world- civvie or this one. Also, I don't want to be put first. I want to be there *together*- at the same time, giving and receiving equally. That's the best sex, fucking AND making love.
For me it's all about the connections between me and the other person. For me I have to be in love with that person to actually make love, that's just me. If I'm not "in love" with that person we are just having sex, "fucking" as you put it. Don't get me wrong, going at it like 2 cadged rabbits can be fantastic and is most of the time. But for me I think I might be different from most men. A little self-disclosure, I was married once before, for only 6 months and was a widower at 26. I'm now in my 40s and have never really had the true authentic emotional, physical and spiritual connection with another woman that I had with my wife. Sure we made love, sometimes mad "monkey type love", but there was always a higher level of connection. Sure I've dated numerous women since the death of my wife, some have grown into long term relationships, but I have yet to feel the same connection with another women. So long story short, for me "fucking" is just "fucking." Who knows, maybe I'll meet someone in the future that I have that connection with......
I reading this I sound kind of like a jerk, but I’m just being honest.
Sorry didn't mean to be a buzz kill this morning........
by far one of the best replys I have heard in a while. It's gentlemen like you as to why I keep posting on here. Thank you for sharing your story. While most think I am 'buzz' kill as well myself in the 'love' dept, I share the same hopes as you, someday perhaps, if we are so lucky, right? Right time, place and situation...3 things the universe must coincide at the same time, or it will never happen.
However on the flipside, I do believe that we only get a shot at love once in our lifetime...'true love' that is. If she was that for you, you may never find someone to 'replace' her, but you may find someone to at least share a connection with as you speak of...I too know of someone in your shoes. It is a hard pair of shoes to wear everyday.
I guess we all have to have hope right, or what's the point to all of this?
My hat goes off to you sir and I can only hope you find what it is you seek......................honesty in its rawest form is most exhilarating, while most see it as a weakness, it truly is a strength beyond compare.
Enjoy the sun today wherever you are!!! I'm immersed in flowers, so I'm happy as 2 lovers 'in love' LOL.
Does that make my statement any less true
P4P does not constitute 'making love'.
Naturally, there will be a bunch of saps who start talking about connections and other BS. The connecting is in their feeble minds, and while they "feel" a connection, the hooker is relieved to show them the door with connected feelings to that envelope.
Yes, I have made love, just not with hookers. You should try it sometime. You may even enjoy it some day.
Haven't in quite some time, I will honestly admit. I do hope to someday again. I am surprised the quintessential 'alpha' Panthera admitted to such a task....hmmm Panthera 'making love', who would've thought. Perhaps I do have hope for myself someday if you are capable of that notion lol. Thanks for sharing.
After years of evaluation, I was released.
Now that was true love.
Is there really such a thing as 'making love' or is 'fucking' just fucking and will always be 'fucking'...for pleasure and/or procreation.
Your thoughts and why?
Perhaps this is why I'm divorced. But I like fucking. I do enjoy light touching, quiet talking and cuddling during the after glow or between rounds, but when it's time for sex I want to fuck. I have asked my ATF to teach me how to "make love".
send for "The Cuddler."
F-ing is a mechanical animal act. IMHO, the concept of "making love" does not necessarliy infer "love" but of necessity includes an emotional component that transcends the mere physical aspect of the act of intercourse. Some will call it chemistry between the people.
For me personally, the feeling of desire and being desired is critical - I need that chemistry, that emotional bond in order to "perform", even if I know deep down that it is superficial and maybe even fictional, and at best temporary and limited to the time that we are together with no long range implications or committments.
If "making love" and "f--king" are the only two ways to characterize what happens on a date, then I would have to say that I seek the former in this hobby. I want to make love, which in a hobby context implys an emotional connection without, deep, long-range committed love, and not just f--k. For me (empasizing that this is purely a personal response to the question), the woman whom I consider the best "providers" for me are the ones who made me feel (I would underline the last four words if that function existed) that they sincerely enjoyed being with me. Good actresess playing a role or genune? I am sure that there were some of each. On the other hand, I didn't even bother to review those whom I sensed were only doing their job becasue a session that I did not enjoy was due to my poor choice, not their poor "performance".
There is no right or wrong answer to your question, Ms Stelle. Some will agree. Others will disagree. I beleive that successful dates will depend on each understanding what the other is seeking, or can provide, and choosing those who best match and fulfill ones personal needs.
no right or wrong answer, as is to most things in life. I just like hearing people's opinions and their take on it. Believe it or not, we all learn and grow from each other on a daily basis as human beings...at least that is what i believe. Someone you meet in 2 minutes from now, could just change your life. That is what makes life, well, life. And worth all the crap associated with 'life'.
The connection is so important to a fully satisfactory encounter, be it in the p4p world or in the civvie world. In my own view, it is important that I live life as pleasurably as possible, and so with any physical encounter, I will seek that connection. Usually it comes very easily to me to find it physically with someone, generally easily to find it emotionally, and a little more difficult to find it spiritually and intellectually. When all 4 connect- wow! And there are different levels of that connection, as well. In my civilian relationships, it won't work unless all 4 are really well-connected. But I have had professional relationships where all 4 have connected, albeit on a more moderated level (that boundary created by the exchange of money for time).
However, I don't consider fucking a mechanical act. I consider it heated, passionate, animalistic act, which can also be done between two people who connect on many levels. I love fucking.
There is much to be said for having sex with someone you REALLY love, and it's nothing I have ever found could be accomplished in a paid transaction. Nothing can replace genuine feelings and a connection with a person you know without a DOUBT wants to be there, and in the hobby you really never know 100 percent.
certain in the 'real' world as well...isn't it all an illusion, whether it's pay for play or not?
you can still be truly in love with a person that does not always love you back. In the real world, the person is not being paid to be there, so they can simply leave when they are no longer interested. That is a far cry from what we do here.
Love exists, honey and for many people. My parents have been married for over 40 years, and still have sex. I could not do it, but hey...whatever works.
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be trusted? Ever? My parents (would've been married for over 40 too) so I had a great example of how it is 'supposed' to be...just not sure like you, I could 'do it'. But yes, whatever works for each of us.
You are trying to compare an hour to YEARS of trust. That's not really the issue. You know a paid transaction is not love...EVER. It can lead to that in some rare cases, but it cannot be bought. That's all I am saying. Why do you suppose there are so few male escorts who cater to women? Because "most women" don't want an illusion or just sex, they tend to want genuine emotions, and can't get that by paying for it.
Even if I only know a guy for say 3 months in real life and we are having sex...that is still more intimate than banging one guy who paid me. Sex on demand and sex when you TRULY want to do it, are nowhere near the same thing. I don't buy that any provider is just wet for every appt. and if she is, she works less than I do lol.
sex is sex, regardless of its pace, intensity, or the mood shared between two lovers.
for what it's worth, i tend to favor an overall gentler and more tender experience than the average girl. i don't bill myself as a sensual artist for nothing.
sometimes i like it to be gentle, sometimes with a bit more fervor. i suppose it depends both on the person i am with, and my mood at the time. both are enjoyable, but in different ways.
I enjoy a spirited bout of athletic sex as much as anyone, but why can't that be followed by a stretch of snuggling?
What I love about overnights is the ability to just drift off into sleep with the other person in your arms.
It doesn't mean you are going to have to get married in the morning.
Let's leave the baggage at home, shall we?
Then send for this guy. But if it's cuddling you need, please see my post above.
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you put ticks to shame.. and i wouldn't have it any other way!
I have nothing against ticks either, and wish they wouldn't take it so hard. It weighs on my conscience.
Thank you. That was beautifully put.
Simply fucking is just two people hightailing it to the bedroom (or any other convenient place) to maul each other.
Making love...well, first the male takes the garbage out. Then the male takes the dog(s) for a walk, and scoops out the kitty litter box. Lastly the male puts the clicker down and turns OFF the TV.
Then...and only then, do the two people fuck.
If that ain't love...then I clearly missed the question.
Is there really such a thing as 'making love' or is 'fucking' just fucking and will always be 'fucking'...for pleasure and/or procreation.
Your thoughts and why?
missed the question. haha
"Yes dear...you're right and I'm wrong"
Then we can make mad passionate love
But I will insist on holding on to the clicker.
love you....sorry couldn't resist on that one.
She seems to want to always make sure it's handy...you know, just in case I poop out after 3 minutes of fucking LOL
It's the raw passion/instinct men and women have. Grab the hair, nails on the back, slam the headboard fucking. And it always feels good. Making love is what happens afterwards. Leave the white envelope behind or share intimate moments..
but very few people are in love even if they think they r.Just my take on it. Many that think they are I guarantee would be the first to stray. Thats not being in love. I agree that there is too much temptation around every corner in this day and age.
I am also going to say as I am sure I am not the only lady thinking it that there has to be a better word such as provider than hooker. To me a hooker stands on the street corner and I think most of us ladies on here are not that if not all of us. Even though the act may be the same I am offended by the use of that word. Sorry if this post offends anyone. Dana
I like doing both, and certainly there is such a thing as making love. I associate passion and intensity with fucking, and sensitivity and vulnerability with making love. I tend to be a more passionate than vulnerable person, but can be both at times- sometimes even at the same time. So I have been in situations in which I am both fucking *and* making love. Best sex ever!!
I agree. When you find the right woman that you devlope chemistry and trust with and book longer sessions (2hrs. or more) you can experience intense fucking and making love and both in the same session. When that happens it is the best sex ever!!
I love a good fuck and actually was asked today by a client what I liked most to which I replied " a good hard fuck from behind" his eyes went out like stalks. Whoops, don't think that was the answer he was looking for but it was the truth!
Yes, there is a difference. In particular with the foreplay and afterwards. Making love is something that is only achievable if you are actually both in love with each other but that doesn't mean to say you can be highly sensual and erotic and tactile with the person you are in bed with if not in love.
Sometimes we want slow, sensual and gentle and other times we want a good hard seeing to. The best is the build up when we can have both I find.
a nice latte from starbucks xxx a show that bugs me at the mo on catch up is this thing the boss, all the sex bits are guys just pulling up her skirt and doing it in 6 seconds, great but is that all some people's sex life involves doubt it.