I am curious how any of the following would or have played into decision-making:

1) You pre-book with a provider at her "normal" rate.  Then you see that she has arrived in your area and posted an "available now" ad on P411 offering a discounted rate which is $100/hr less than you booked her at for later in the week.
2) You have seen a lady at a her old rates prior to a rate increase.  You ask to be grandfathered in and she denies.
3) You spend a reasonable amount on gifts ... more than $50 and don't receive a thank you note afterwards.
4) You send a follow-up note afterwards, but don't receive a response.
5) A lady that you see tours.  When she tours your city she charges 40% more than another comparable touring city.  
Would any of these result in you not seeing the provider again?  How would any of these change your behavior (e.g., I would see her again, but I sure wouldn't give her a gift again)?

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no acknowledge for a gift.  

Good manners are always important.

1) hasn't happened, wouldn't care if it did.
2) hasn't happened, I wouldn't ask, and if her rate hike was significant enough, I'd pass on seeing her again.
3) hasn't happened, and it won't since I don't buy gifts. I'll buy us a bottle of wine to share, but don't expect anything from her.
4) hasn't happened, wouldn't care if it did.
5) hasn't happened, if it did, I'd pass.

Here's my survey... door # 1, 2, or 3?

I agree with all your answers.

As to your survey, the answer of course is all three. Only fools would leave such beauty sitting there with no one to do.

...all three doors, please

...first one, then the other.  I'd say first one then the next and then the next until I'm finished.

You seem to be actively looking for grievances and taking business matters too personally. If you're not happy, you're free always free to move on to another provider. But you might enjoy life more if you adopt a more positive outlook and remember this is just business.

1. Different passengers pay different amount for airfare on the exact same flight. Likewise, different people staying in identical rooms in the same hotel on the same night may pay different amounts. These pricing variations happen because both airlines and hotels are willing to offer last minute discounts in an attempt to maximize occupancy and revenue. The provider is doing the same thing. She has travel costs to cover and didn't get as many advance bookings as she had hoped for, so she is just trying to pick up a few more appointments with a last-minute discount.

2. The price is the price. Does your mechanic grandfather you on old pricing? Does your plumber? Does your dentist? If this hobby is getting too expensive for you, there is a lot of free porn on the internet. Being grandfathered by a provider can backfire on you unless there is a real personal connection, because now your business is less valuable to her than new business. You may find your appointments sometimes getting bumped back later or even cancelled.

3. I too like to give gifts to my favorite providers. I can understand why you might enjoy a thank you note in return, but personally I enjoy more her reaction at the moment of receiving the present.

4. Good providers often get plenty of business, and spend a lot of time screening and corresponding with potential bookings. If they are that busy, they may not see an advantage to responding to correspondence that is not related to a specific appointment.

5. After visiting a given city, a traveling provider may get a feel for the supply/demand for her services. If she easily filled her dance card on a previous visit, she may realize that she can charge a higher rate there and still get plenty of business. Why should she settle for less?

You need to remember that you are not just engaging in a business transaction with an independent contractor. If the provider is good, or at least has good marketing, you may be competing with other customers for her time. All other things being equal, she will want to do business with customers who pay full price and don't waste her time after the appointment is over.

1) You pre-book with a provider at her "normal" rate.  Then you see that she has arrived in your area and posted an "available now" ad on P411 offering a discounted rate which is $100/hr less than you booked her at for later in the week.
-I'd cancel and probably not re-book
2) You have seen a lady at a her old rates prior to a rate increase.  You ask to be grandfathered in and she denies.
-if I went through the effort to ask and was denied, I'd drop her from my rotation (but I'd never ask)
3) You spend a reasonable amount on gifts ... more than $50 and don't receive a thank you note afterwards.
- I'd drop her from my rotation
4) You send a follow-up note afterwards, but don't receive a response.
- I'd drop her from my rotation
5) A lady that you see tours.  When she tours your city she charges 40% more than another comparable touring city.  
- I very likely wouldn't book an appointment.

It's also the difference between the guys that always seem to be happy around here and those that are constantly whining about this, that and the other. You don't look for perceived slights, the OP obviously does.

Ok, I'll play along too.

 
1) You pre-book with a provider at her "normal" rate.  Then you see that she has arrived in your area and posted an "available now" ad on P411 offering a discounted rate which is $100/hr less than you booked her at for later in the week.

 
This would never happen to me as I don't "pre-book"  

 
2) You have seen a lady at a her old rates prior to a rate increase.  You ask to be grandfathered in and she denies.  

 
This would also never happen to me, I would never "ask" to be grandfathered although I will accept it graciously when it is offered

 

3) You spend a reasonable amount on gifts ... more than $50 and don't receive a thank you note afterwards.  

 
Again, this doesn't happen in my world. Are you noticing a trend yet?  but lets suppose I did buy a gift, I most likely wouldn't even notice if she didn't send me a thank you note, as long as she expressed her appreciation in some manner, that's good enough for me

 

4) You send a follow-up note afterwards, but don't receive a response.  

 
Once again, this would never happen to me as I wouldn't be sending a "follow up note"

 

5) A lady that you see tours.  When she tours your city she charges 40% more than another comparable touring city.    
Would any of these result in you not seeing the provider again?  How would any of these change your behavior (e.g., I would see her again, but I sure wouldn't give her a gift again)

 
Women charge what they charge, I either pay it or I don't. I certainly don't come here to whine about it.

 
I think we have established one thing here. The OP is a "whiner" and could be enjoying this a whole lot more if he's quit stressing over the small stuff. None of us are OWED anything. I wouldn't say I hate entitled people, actually I do get a bit of pleasure out of ridiculing them. lol

Exactly the same as yours.  

 
As to number 3, I don't consider $50 to be anything memorable in the way of a "gifr."  Its the price of a bottle of wine, which I may or may not have enjoyed with her, but I certainly wouldn't expect some kind of effusive fawning saying what a great guy I am for spending $50.  If I spent as much on the gift as I spent on the session, then I would expect some kind of acknowledgment, but just a thank you text in the following days is enough for me.  I don't need "notes."  Didn't his mother ever teach him the joy is in the giving?  As you say, we are OWED nothing.  

 
4.   What the hell does a monger say in a follow-up note . . . . 'thanks for getting my rocks off?"   I think it just makes you look insecure, and wastes her time.  Its a double-negative.  

 
5.   If MY city has a higher per diem cost to visit than her "home" city, which it often does for touring ladies, then I would have no problem paying a higher rate.  On the other hand, if it looked like she was gouging, I wouldn't see her.  Not knowing what locations he's referring to, I couldn't say whether 40% more is too much or not.  

 
I get the sense that the OP wants the girl to treat him like a girl would in a civvie relationship.  ITs transactional sex.   He should get a grip on reality.  

He is exactly the kind of needy, clingy, insecure kind of client who needs constant hand holding to make sure he feels "special" and ends up sucking the life out of any hooker who makes the mistake of being nice to him.

 
One thing I don't think some of these guys get is that "time really is money" If a girl makes $500 hr for the hour she spending actually fucking, but that same guy made her spend 3 extra hours coddling him,  how much is she really making?

 
You know I am the last guy to WhiteKnight for the ladies, (your one jab at me about WhiteKnighting for your "old" friend" aside. lol)  But I do get why some women get jaded and turn into MHB's after dealing with enough guys like the OP.

will be back here complaining that "he's been seeing this lady regularly, about 7 or 8 times to far, and out of the blue, she's not responding to him anymore.  Obviously, for her, it was just one time too many.

 
Most providers who aren't desperate for business reach a tipping point with needy guys where, as your math example shows, its just not profitable for them to keep going with him.  The sad part is that such guys are generally clueless about why she's no longer responding.  They think because they have become "friends" the girl should keep talking to them even when they're not paying.  I said this once before on this board . . . .  if he sends her $200 with an explanation that its to cover her responding to his next 10 texts/emails at $20 per, I bet he would get the full 10 responses he is paying for.  That might bring him into reality about "time is money."  In a business relationship, one should never confuse "friends" with "friendly."  You and I both know what the signs are when you have moved from customer to "friend," but many guys don't.  

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You book or you don't.  What do feelings have to do with a business transaction?  As others have said: your price is the price, what others pay is irrelevant.  My granfather paid $0.25 a pack for cigarettes, should I still pay as much for.my own vice?  You don't expect a thank you note from a waitress at a restaurant that you eat at every day for the tip you leave her on the table do you?  As far as the higher touring rate?  My area (NYC and Long Island) are fairly expensive, even transportation around town ain't cheap.  If her price is too high for me, I don't book, but I also don't go online and complain.  Her costs are her costs.  Man up junior!

I think he was a bit too "nice" to the OP for my tastes. lol

 
But yes, I totally agree with Vincenzo.

 
As for your situation, ironically I was in a situation that could have been almost as awkward a few months ago. During "downtime" on a date the conversation turned to food and she mentioned how much she liked sushi, so naturally the giving guy I am, I suggested that maybe next time we could go grab a bite together. I really wasn't thinking about whether it was going to be on or off the clock, it was just a spontaneous offer that I made, but her answer was perfect to remove all doubt about the relationship. She told me "I would love to do that and I have a special rate for dinner dates" Her point was made very clearly, but very "gently" ours was a business relationship, not a romantic one.

 
OTOH, I do have a lot of "hooker buddies" who would never dream of charging me to go out to dinner, but unless you are actually dating, going back to the hotel for a "quickie" most definitely deserves compensation.

My responses:
1) Never happened to me.  A lot of guys seem to be complaining about this however.  If I were looking at "available now" ads in the first place it is most likely because I am horny so she would probably get a second date out of me.
2) I don't ask to be grandfathered.  Usually a lady puts a blurb about her policy on her email distro.  
3) I do give gifts but they rarely have significant monetary value.  Does not apply.
4) I've done this, but only if the lady does something extraordinary and not for a normal appointment.
5) There is a lady that tours and has a rate of $500/hr for Chicago and NYC, but then for whatever arbitrary reason charges $700/hr for my city.  Not sure that $200/hr is enough to change anything.  

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1, 2 and 5 dont affect my decision to see provider in the future.  3 and 4 do affect my decision as they shows appreciation and common courtesy.   If the provider cant take a few minutes to do 3 and 4 then I would have 2nd thought of future visits.  I think its good business to do 3 and 4.

1-NA to me..I don't see touring ladies.  
2-I wouldn't ask...it is what it is. But they'll usually extend me the courtesy
3-$50 more on a gift?? Not really me so I'll pass
4-No biggie.
5-See 1
Seeing that this seems like a "touring" question...See number 1

... my response is, WTF??

When I give a provider a gift, I always deliver it in person.  And I always get an in-person "thank you" for the gift.  I don't see why a thank you note is needed.  

On grandfathering, like you and others said, I wouldn't ask.  I've been offered grandfathered rates before, from my ATF and others.  But I've always paid their going rate.

...knowing this place is full of hedonistic pigs ...especially since I'm one too. 😎

Its supposed to be the customer that gets hustled for extra, not the hooker getting hustled for freebies.  You seem to know that, but you let your emotions get in the way on this one.  I note that with each successive post, you become a little more bitter about this guy.  That's good, it will keep you from getting taken again.  As GaG says, unless YOU tell him he's your boyfriend, and that he doesn't have to pay anymore, every time his dick comes out, you should get money, regardless of whether its quick or not.  For many guys, EVERY time is a quickie by hooker standards, so you should always have a one hour minimum for any kind of sex activity.  Never charge by the minute. Lol

1:  Wouldn't bother me but if she were to offer me the discount as well, I'd be pleased and more likely to see her.
2:  Depends on if I think she is worth seeing at the new rate.
3:  If she thanks me when I give her the gift, that's fine.  Some sign of her appreciation is necessary but the when and how is not that important.
4:  No big deal.
5:  If I'm seeing her, I'm already paying that rate.  My discovery that she charges more in my city won't matter.

Good luck being viewed as anything other than a commodity. Which might be an acceptable label for many women.

not getting shorted or stiffed, and not having to deal with customers' personal drama, I think most would be okay with being labeled whatever you want, as long as they get the money they were expecting.    

No need to do it in a confrontational way.  You want to make yourself clear and at the same time put him in a box that he cannot get out of gracefully without looking like a complete dick.  When he suggests going back to his hotel, say something like, "Its so nice of you to want to thank me for TAKING OFF WORK to have dinner with you by going back on the clock for another SESSION HOUR with me.  I love it!  You're such a sweet and considerate man.  I wish all of my customers were like YOU!!!"    Let him try to get out of paying NOW!!!  Lol    (Get the donation when you first enter the room, just to be sure.)

"Will fuck for food" lmao

 
Sorry to be laughing at your misfortune, but I typically laugh at the guys when they are played for a fool and I'd hate to be accused of treating the ladies any differently. lol

Like a year ago women were posting about being viewed as a commodity as if it could only be indicatve  of being a bad thing.  

They were like we are people, and we have feelings. Yeah but, your are selling companionship based on blocks of time. Which makes their time a commodity.

By saying their TIME is a commodity.  Before, you said THEY would be viewed as a commodity.  Since time can be a "consumable", I agree it can be viewed as a commodity in the abstract.  The hooker, herself, is not a consumable, as she can be used over and over until she eventually wears out.  If she takes care of herself, she can seem just as new and fresh to a new john as she did ten years earlier, so the wear and tear is often slow and subtle over a few decades rather than years.  However, just like with a classic car, there are magical things that can be used for restoration, giving the appearance of newness while hiding the real age.  

“she can be used over and over until she eventually wears out. ” isn’t that by definition a consumable?

Just saying 😁

of a commodity.  Commodities are usually consumed only once, either by manufacturing them into something else, or consuming them into our bodies as food, etc.  Cotton is a commodity, and can be manufactured into a T-shirt, which manufacturing is a form of consumption of the cotton.  Paper money eventually wears out, too, but I don't think many would call it a consumable commodity.  Would you call a 1938 Packard a consumable, just because its not running at the moment?  I don't think so.  (For the haters, I'm not suggesting any of the ladies here are that old.)  If you have a link to any of the dictionary/definition sites that say a person can be a commodity, I will stand corrected.  Commodities are mostly raw materials or agricultural products used in manufacturing or for direct human consumption that are mass produced at relatively low cost, leading to SMALL PROFIT MARGINS.  How many hookers have you met that worked on a small profit margin?  You should have actually looked at the definition of a commodity before you spoke, but you are not required to.  It just depends on how you want to look afterward.  Lol

 
BTW, the sole exception that comes to mind that would fall within your challenge would be some of the aboriginal tribes in New Guinea who MAY consider a person a commodity because he/she CAN be consumed, literally, but again, it only happens once for each consumed person.  

That's fine. It's not my place to say that.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/commodity

To me, commodities are available at a scale that can be contracted to anyone on a large scale (1 million barrels of oil; 10 tons of wheat). Commodities are also fungible. That is, (as long as everything is within the specifications) oil is oil and wheat is wheat. You might get the first million barrels off the ship or 100,000 bbl from each of ten shipments: all of the spec'd oil is supposed to be equivalent. You might get 10 tons of wheat from silo 17 or silo 71 or some mix: it's all supposed to be the same wheat.  
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Consumables are meant to be used and used up (in the extreme, they are disposables). Paper towels are fungible (like a commodity: one roll of paper towels is identical to any other) but most are use once and throw away so they are a consumable. (A standing purchase order for "the delivery of 10 cases of paper towels per month" is not a contract in the commodity sense, at least not to me. Paper towels are still a consumable, even at very large scale.)  
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Maybe it has to do with the end user? When commodity oil goes to the refinery it becomes commodity gasoline until it is delivered to the customer from the gas station. When I, the end user, buy gasoline at the pump, it is a consumable to me and no longer a commodity.

with admitting that they sell sex, but they would probably prefer not admitting that they ever give it away for free.  lol