And that you can be a good pimp too
or more, involving overnight experiences, what do you think when you are asked for that?
Without saying, it's still a business transaction, and should be nothing more than that to keep things in perspective. You should hope the guy can keep that in mind and perspective, but there are no guarantees, to say the least.
A friend told me that first time is no big thing, second time is a bit more, but 4th time and more after that, puts him in a different level, especially when it comes to time and fees charged
Without saying, it's still a business transaction, and should be nothing more than that to keep things in perspective. You should hope the guy can keep that in mind and perspective, but there are no guarantees, to say the least.
A friend told me that first time is no big thing, second time is a bit more, but 4th time and more after that, puts him in a different level, especially when it comes to time and fees charged.
I think his name is Dave
-- Modified on 3/2/2014 10:49:08 PM
-- Modified on 3/2/2014 10:50:05 PM
Actually lame posts seem to be outnumbering the plain old stupid variety by quite a margin lately.
and if you don't have a screwdriver handy, I've got an icepick you can borrow.
One other thing, Does Dave really expect us to believe he has a "friend"??? and supposing we take that at face value, what makes this friend such an expert on the hobby?
No wonder I don't have a girlfriend. 👯👯👯
When a client starts seeing you on a regular basis, 3rd or 4th date, overnight or just a couple of hours, it might not be all that tied up with emotion other than the obvious. He knows he always had a good time with you, he thinks you're gorgeous, he LIKES you, and maybe he's hoping you'll give him a deal on the requested donation.
What often happens, IMO and based on my experience (YMMV), is that around the 4th, maybe 5th date, the beautiful lady develops a financial crisis and the regular customer is asked to help out. "Who else can I turn to?" She might ask, and since she's been seeing so much of the guy, maybe he'd like to graduate to SD status.
The client then finds that saying no sort of makes it awkward to call up a couple of weeks later to book an hour or two on a rainy night. A lose/lose if I ever saw one.
So does that mean that repeating is a bad idea? For either party? No, not if both keep in mind where it might lead. She risks ending up with a stalker, but might gain a sugar daddy. He hopes to get a little extra free of charge at the risk of being hit up for a big time cash outlay. Either way the "relationship" might have to end, and it will certainly change, either evolving into a different unspoken contract or, again, simply grinding to a stop. Sad way for good times to end.
Maybe that's why it sometimes feels like unrequited love.
So, like everything else, keep your head clear and if it smells like bait, pass.
Why does the guy have to get a financial break after seeing a lady a few times. What's wrong with "she rocks my world, so I am going to keep seeing her until she no longer does"
Even the biggest manginas here seem to have ATF's, if they can manage more than four dates without fucking it up, why can't the two of you?
They'll be wanting frequent customer punch cards. Or they'll be sending their ladies breakup letters after the third dates if the service or rates are not to their liking. I thought we repeat because the girl rocked our world the last time, and we'd simply like to have an experience like that again. And yes, providers probably give better service to regulars somehow. I don't think this entitles you to a discount over time. It's not like she needs less money or her time is less valuable because she knows you better.
And Dave could at least have the balls to ask for a discount himself, rather than say that a "friend" suggested it.
-- Modified on 3/3/2014 1:11:44 AM
How do you explain that the experience seems better each session after session?
Don't know why.
Maybe it is your handle.
Or the fact you say things like Amen.
Either way. I say you are a stinky piece of shit.
Sorry if you have a problem with that..
It's just my opinion. So no biggie....
-- Modified on 3/3/2014 5:27:13 AM
Hey, I admitted several times I'm an AH.
I'd rather be that than a dummy or a lamo turdwell.
You're neither of these.
Fact is you're one of these weird, often drunk, attention seeking immature dweebs here.
Not unlike my friend Dave sometimes, but he's also a Mangina.
One minute: friendly, thinking we 're on messaging terms.
The next: getting overemotional about some imagined slight or else drunk or else trolling for a rise.
I have fun with my board friends.
I didn't ask for your approval but thanks for "sharing" anyway.
And if you're other post was a goodbye, I say "good riddance." Come back when you've grown the f up
Dollars remain the same. Sometimes, the time gets extended.
-- Modified on 3/3/2014 12:10:36 PM
The difference is probably very subtle. The somethin' somehthin' might be expressed this way:
A lot of the reviews talk about how good the BBBJ was. "The best BBBJ I ever had!" That's a pretty common refrain.
Maybe what the man wants is more than the best BBBJ he ever had-- as if he can remember, as if he can judge-- but rather what he wants is the best BBBJ the provider ever GAVE. Like I said, it's subtle.
As far as "paying the freight," how do you pay extra for something priceless?
as for "what the man wants" all I can go by is what he actually said. and what he said was that his "friend" expected to be in a different category after the fourth date where it came to "time and fees" That sure sounds like a financial break to me.
Love is priceless, (it usually costs you EVERYTHING when it's over) sex most definitely has a price, and in P4P it's a very quantifiable price, which is only of the many good things about it.
I hope you're not one of those cheapsies who puts the exact dollar amount for her donation in the envelop and not a dollar more. It's people like you who are so hung up on money who make providers wary about clients trying to rip them off. Retread my posts.
And when I'm paying $400-$500 for her time, yes, I'm going to put "the exact dollar amount in the envelp(e)." And, no, that doesn't make me a "cheapsie." Gals to whom I give the exact amount seem quite happy to have my repeat business, too.
The price on her site is the amount of money she sees fit to charge, she is not a minimum wage waitress living on tips.
and BTW I don't use a fucking envelope, it's a waste of time and energy and doesn't protect anyone any more than those insipid disclaimers on many websites. Grow the fuck up and get a clue.
FWIW I am not the one who is hung up on the money, you are the one hung up on the fact that you feel some need to "impress" a hooker by how generous (clueless) you can be. Are you really trying to supplant Turdy as the lamest poster here?
Pay for play sex is not "priceless" it's a business transaction, most of the time a very pleasurable business transaction, but a business transaction none the less.
It's people like you who see love where it doesn't exist and make providers wary about seeing guys too often lest they fall in "love" and start stalking them.
is it with all this psycho babble here.
You stupids want psychp babble go see your shrink.
~4 years ago or so, despite the number of times I saw her, she was very stiff about talking outside of session. BC with other guys confirmed she can win the bitch of the year award. I intended on booking a session with her so I sent a hello text. She said hi back and that she's doing well. She asked me how I'm doing and all. I responded with maybe 2 texts regarding certain events going on in my life.
For the record, she's the one who fucking asked but she snaps saying that shes interested in 'doing business' rather than chit chat about personal drama. LOL! I said "well, good talking to you too" I normally don't refer to a girl as a bitch but this girl was really out there.
However, one day she suddenly bombards me with texts asking for help and acts all friendly. WTF? Obviously, she was in some trouble with the law and was broke as well. I tend to have a warm heart towards people when they are a real friend I care about. However, this girl was obviously not a real friend and I could not bring myself to help this bitchy girl even though I tried.
Instead, I responded to her with the same exact text she sent me regarding 'keeping business and personal separate'. Well. I have not seen her since then mostly cuz she's too bitchy, over my age limit now, and does not have good people skills.
too many hotter and sweeter girls out there who treat me better.
Partly, I think it's because she has health issues. I don't think I'd ever abandon her completely but I've stopped contacting her. If she wants to get in touch, she knows how.
Unless she's in a coma it doesn't seem like she wants to communicate. ( Imo, cuz most girls seem to need more attention when they are sick)
I guess compared to a cold stiff bitchy girl who argues about everything, I prefer flirty ones. But not when they go over the top bombarding with "empty" flirt texts like "I'm thinking of you. Miss you. Love. Can we meet tonight please please? XO XO XOXO xoxo xoxo "... Those are reserved for real dates, not p4p lol
I'm sorry you had that experience.
But don't expect me to share it here.
So it's natural for him to jump to that conclusion.
yeah, I would have to agree with that statement.
Actually you sound like many hobbyists who have very low self esteem and try to compensate by being "extra nice" to the ladies in order to gain their approval. Which is just another way of defining a mangina, just in case russ is reading this.
Are we talking about providers who don't have their stuff together? There are more than a few, most
often older (> 35) who are successful , keep on top of their spending, manage growing a single daughter to college and such, and have many many regulars who see them over 4 dates, maybe 20, or hundreds. Visit as friends, help out as tutors, etc. so a "queen" provider who has their life together instead of all of these nubiles who are lost from the beginning as providers struggling to finish college part time or always in debt or whatever. i.e. a civvie professional who became a professional provider in their 30's. (in my personal example, left for good). too classy and pretty at her age
To be a fat, old, balding voyeur with a wife working in a whorehouse to support your degenerate ass AND your hobby?
I guess being a voyeur is ok if you are into that sort of thing, but the rest I will take a pass on, including having a wife working in a whorehouse, not that I have anything against whorehouses, just having a wife PERIOD, no matter what she did for a living.
So, to answer your question, NO it would not be nice.
It's always more fun to see a guy repeat over & over again, the comfort level eases, the conversation more personal, the sessions more intimate.... Trust is established... I would rather have repeat clients all the time, also you let them do things you wouldn't w/a new client like give personal checks, gift cards, definitely specials.... More comfortable doing overnights!!!!!
I'll splurge on a really great dinner, fun things like a couple's massage, unique boutique hotels for special overnight trips, nice gifts, etc. One of the greatest thrills I had was during an evening date and hearing the words " I was hoping to spend the night with you". Yowza!
It's tacky, and I give them out to real regulars like candy already. If you are a man who can't handle booking multiple appointments, then please, just recognize that that is one of your short comings and don't put that shit on us. We are trying to be nice to you, but whiney, obsessive, breakup letter sending guys are literally repulsive, even to us.
So is a girl who calls up to ask a client for money. It's one thing for a guy to of his own choice go out and spend a couple hundred, it's another when you make him feel obligated without knowing his actual financial situation either. I got into this business with literally $15 to my name, no possessions (house burned down), and $50,000 in debt between school and medical bills, and I have never once asked for money because there's no reason to in this business. If a girl does this, I can almost guarantee you it's because she's a wasteful, immature girl who bailing out is NOT going to help. I've seen it a hundred times, and it kills me to see bitches, not women, manipulate the men and take money away from the women who at least try. Cause really, it's not hard. These girls are just as bad as bait and switch and fake pic users, IMO, and I wish clients would grow balls and stop feeding into it.
And I've stopped accepting grandfathering. If gal decides to raise her rate by, say, $50 I'd rather just pay the new rate. If that money means more to me than it does to her I should find something different to do with my funds.
On a couple levels.
I never want to be the reason anyone stretches themselves thin. If you feel like you need to ask for a discount, please. You can't afford it, and I'm only saying that because I actually really do care. I have an old client that basically went into financial ruin trying to "help" a girl making 20k a month, and I don't know how I would feel about myself if I ever knew I did that to someone.
And... even with the best intentions, we know who's paying what rate. If a grandfathered, semi grey listed client emails at the same time as someone willing to pay more.... You know how it goes. This is actually the exact reason I don't pay my vets grandfathered rates. If there's an emergency, I want that bitch ready to get to my house STAT! Lo
And that you can be a good pimp too
Most aren't looking for ltr's, but are looking for repeat clients. I'm sure discounts for longer appointments are given if they're not difficult and the two click well.. customer appreciation should not be mistaken for love or a possible relationship forming.
Most agree on here that going in knowing fully that this is NSA p4p, nothing more, is the safest and least stressful way to do things. Otherwise guys have to be politely cut off.
Attachments based on fantasy will lead to disappointment. When we do our job, in session, any lady charging a hefty rate is thinking not only of that client, but also any potential clients who may hear of how she performs. She'll be putting on her best act - and preparing physically and mentally to look and be every man's dream. We're human like every other woman, but detach ourselves from that reality so you can escape that reality as well. GFE = girlfriend fantasy experience in my opinion.
Xo
C
-- Modified on 3/3/2014 2:57:02 PM