When I first began I did the gifting thing because the ladies said it "was not necessary, but greatly appreciated." Dummy me, I thought it would raise the level of the session to penultimate heights. I eventually learned my lesson, fully realized the parameters and expectations of these relationships, and concluded that paying $400 to $800 an hour , and repeating my business, is gift enough. I agree with GAG, nothing wrong with bringing a bottle of wine that the two of you can share and enjoy. But this isn't Match.con, and the only courting that needs to be done is handing over the envelope.
I fully understand guys getting the "mangina" label for certain things. I'm trying to figure out why bringing a bottle of wine or a gift like a small box of chocolates is being a mangina.
Educate me, please.
And you're adding to the weight inflation problem...and from what I've read the gals would rather have this anyhow. Oh..and don't forget to bring the rubbers and some tampons she'll need later. And take the dog for a walk and take the trash out
Personally I think gifting is sappy, and makes the client appear unprofessional.
Educate me, please.
The client isn't a professional. The hooker is. Jesus. Are you terminally confused or don't understand the meaning of simple words?
Professional
7 .a person who engages in an activity with great competence
From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
pro·fes·sion·al adjective \prə-ˈfesh-nəl, -ˈfe-shə-nəl\
: relating to a job that requires special education, training, or skill
: done or given by a person who works in a particular profession
: paid to participate in a sport or activity
Full Definition of PROFESSIONAL
1
a : of, relating to, or characteristic of a profession
b : engaged in one of the learned professions
c (1) : characterized by or conforming to the technical or ethical standards of a profession (2) : exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner in the workplace
2
a : participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs (a professional golfer)
b : having a particular profession as a permanent career (a professional soldier)
c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return (professional football)
3
: following a line of conduct as though it were a profession (a professional patriot)
Now I'll give you the last #3, but even that's kind of a stretch.
before you found something that proves your point. But context is important, too. And in this case context says your use of "professional" when said person is paying a real professional is idiotic. Nice try though.
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Nick, just treat others the way you would like to be treated. I prefer to be treated like a professional.
It's a classic contradiction in terms.
It's when guys fall all over themselves to "court" a provider that the label is truly earned.
I doubt anyone here will call me a mangina, unless they have added an "asshole" category to the term, but I have brought both wine and chocolates to sessions in the past. Actually I have only brought chocolates once, and we washed those down with the bottle of Patron I brought, (that was the first time I have mixed tequila with chocolate, and they went rather well together) but wine I have brought many times, of course we almost always end up drinking it together.
In short I don't believe there is any one act that defines a mangina, it's more of an attitude, just check out ROGM or Turdwell for any helpful hints on the subject.
Maybe you and Pimpathy should have a talk. Looks like you're not professional. How does one become a "professional" hobbyist, though? Doesn't that mean that the hobbyist is getting paid?
and Pimples is TSTTT, he is just like that annoying elevator music. You know it's there, but you do your best to ignore it.
Whether it be hobbyist, dickhead, or asshole... keep it professional grade.
Didn't you follow the thread yesterday? Bring a fucking bakers dozen of glazed donuts for some of these gals. And don't throw more guilt on that...make sure you bring a 2 liter bottle of some diet cola.
And why knock on ROGM...what's wrong with bringing diapers, fast food and driving your favorite hooker to her next appointment?
Maybe it's the "my provider" that is irritating you? Fine...how about "stay strong pretty lady"?
I'm also thinking of starting an exclusive club strictly for mangina's. They pay an annual fee of $ 100 and pay another $ 50 referral fee to mangina needy hookers looking for that special "Mangina seal of Approval". Want to get in on this pyramid?
I doubt anyone here will call me a mangina, unless they have added an "asshole" category to the term, but I have brought both wine and chocolates to sessions in the past. Actually I have only brought chocolates once, and we washed those down with the bottle of Patron I brought, (that was the first time I have mixed tequila with chocolate, and they went rather well together) but wine I have brought many times, of course we almost always end up drinking it together.
In short I don't believe there is any one act that defines a mangina, it's more of an attitude, just check out ROGM or Turdwell for any helpful hints on the subject.
When I first began I did the gifting thing because the ladies said it "was not necessary, but greatly appreciated." Dummy me, I thought it would raise the level of the session to penultimate heights. I eventually learned my lesson, fully realized the parameters and expectations of these relationships, and concluded that paying $400 to $800 an hour , and repeating my business, is gift enough. I agree with GAG, nothing wrong with bringing a bottle of wine that the two of you can share and enjoy. But this isn't Match.con, and the only courting that needs to be done is handing over the envelope.
But, I'll take your word for it
.where the service/commodity offered doesn't(IMO( equal its pricetag. Do you takw a gift to your attorney(still not mrfisher)? Dentist? Physician? In many female cases*psychiatrist*?
However, I've taken books, gift cards, penile extensions etc....so what do I know 
I think the women that see some of the jerks they do should be charging quadruple. You immediately come to mind. Actually they should just flat out reject your lame ass out of the gate. In other words, they should show you the same amount of "respect" you show them. And we can call it even.
Mangina's aren't born, they are created. It evolves, over time, by listening to the hookers and drooling over their "Pamper Me" page on their website.
Many people here (and by "many" I mean...ME) think wine and chocolates are a "gateway drug" to much more mainstream manginaism.
Oh sure, today it's just bringing a $6 bottle of Strawberry Boone's Farm and the Russell Stovers mini- sampler box you picked up in the discounted bin at Walmart, but tomorrow it's Cristal and and the Golden Speckled Egg.
Look, a professional, hard core hobbyist has the experience to know where the boundary is. But do YOU have that ability? Well, do ya punk?
Pacify me here. Stick with her desired donation, put it in the Peanuts card you got her with Snoopy hugging Woodstock and call it a day for now.
There is always tomorrow for you to send your photo for verification to achieve full mangina status
Is that non-mangina enough? 
Next think you know men will be taking women to restaurants instead of locking them in the kitchen to do "women's work".
sheesh, do we have to teach you everything? lol
If your gift is essentially trivial - and you truly believe that it is trivial - then you haven't tried to exert control.
A bottle of wine that you split - or favorite condoms/sex toys that you use - is not manginaism because you are getting direct benefit out of it.
A small, trivial gift - some flowers, whatever, makes a nice way of handing over the envelope without drawing attention to it. Let's face it $20 worth of flowers on a $500 session - ain't even a tip.... Not manginaism because you are essentially using it as a prop/ice breaker. Treat a whore like a lady....
As a counter example, giving a hooker a "loan" or a ride to her next appointment - is basically an attempt to exert control and transgresses boundaries. DEFINITE Manginaism
And, yes, my real name is Chuck L.
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...bring a gift. Back in the day when homosexuality was considered the 'unforgivable crime against nature,' guys frequently berated gentleman's behavior by calling him a queer. This didn't make anyone gay, but it could embarrass him in public and many times caused a fistfight. Today, such guys have been pretty much silenced as regards their flippant or vicious use of that accusation, so those of that ilk now call honorable men "manginas."
IMO, changing one's code of honorable behavior so as to avoid being called a mangina by onlookers would be the only way to warrant the label.
Because usually a provider is a woman I know intimately but not well, gifts are a matter of protocol. Never arrive empty handed, and extend an invitation of friendship upon meeting a stranger.
Why any of you guys give a shit about what other guys do or don't do. Or for that matter, who authorized you to be the "mangina police" and try to "correct" inappropriate behavior (as you perceive it) by shaming and bullying.
The relationship (usually strictly business, but sometimes not wholly business) in nobody's business but the two people transacting it, any more than what they do with their time BCD.
I'll continue to do what I damn well want to do, treat a provider like a person until she proves otherwise. If you don't like that, TS.
She just got smoked in that last thread so no need to bring up Ms. Steele here. Have some manners.
Look, do you think being a Mangina Cop is easy? Come walk my beat just ONE day with me and you'll see it's no tip toe thru the tulips...but we will come across lots of pansies.
And when people bring up their mangina ways or have questions about manginas in general, this being an internet chat board, sometimes requires, you know.....CHAT. So that's why it's our business.
Maybe bringing up TS makes sense, now that I think about it. You both have big time anger management issues.
Send her your photo, ask her for a discount and get laid already!
Tell her I sent you! :
When the music's over
Turn off the lights
Turn off the lights.
...that somehow the women are taking their hard-earned money for what they should be entitled to get for free. They want to standardize behavior and get us to stop romancing each other. "Strictly business!" Is their demand. Takes the fun out of it. Out here we have just what they're trying to invent at a low flat rate appropriate to any budget. Some establishments provide blow holes as a service. Personally, I imagine it to be a pretty dry experience.
is that, unfortunately, every assh*t who tries to bounce through a provider's boundaries makes it tougher for ME to have a good time. Being friendly, polite and reasonably respectful is not being a mangina.
Every time some clingy, idiot mangina tries to 'save' a provider (because she's obviously incapable of doing it herself), one more hooker gets a slight attitude adjustment in the wrong direction. I want to have fun in a session - not attitude.
IMHO discussing and defining where polite respect ends and mangina clinginess begins is a very appropriate topic for this board. Obviously, there are some who have very different ideas of where this boundary is
When I first started posting in here I couldn't figure out what the word even was (I was pronouncing Gina like the girls name). I could deduce through context that it was being delivered as an insult but it took quite sometime for me to figure that one out. I will say that I'm a bit like the Sheldon character on "The Big Bang Theory" in that I don't always get sarcasm at first, especially in here because you can't hear voice inflection or see body language. But I sure am interested in reading the different definitions.
Or a jackrabbit that's been living on sagebrush? That's where figuring out this Gina shit leads to. Forget it. Drink more Maker's Mark. I'm impressed that as an Ambassador you've got a barrel with your name on it. I don't. That makes you less Gina than me. Settle for that and be happy.