I am bringing this discussion over from the Provider's Only Board.  I started a thread there on this topic as well, but I think it is an issue in which the entire membership has an interest.

The only reviews that are getting posted are from guys that have a long reviewing history.  I myself, in the last month have had 2 fabulous reviews rejected because the reviewer had no reviewing history.  These gentlemen have been members of TER for quite some time, have extremely busy schedules, and took their valuable time to write a thoughtful review only to have it tossed.

I am certainly not alone in this experience.  When I posted my experience on the PO Board, the response from other providers was grand.  They too, are frustrated by the same issue.

What does this mean for a hobbyist?
This means that you are being cheated out of reading reviews that your fellow hobbyists have taken their precious time to contribute.  It also means that the same reviewers are the ones who carry the burden of keeping providers accountable for the experience that they claim to offer.  Finally, it means that your perspective of providers is limited to the perspective of only the reviewers who review regularly and often.  

What does this mean for the provider?
A substantial loss in income.
A substantially skewed perspective of who she is and what she is offering.
A gross misrepresentation.

What does this mean for TER?
A DECLINE in your credibility of posting a fair representation of providers - the exact opposite effect of what TER is trying to accomplish with this policy.

I don't post this as a bitch or a rant.  I post this as a presentation of a real problem that is not easily solved.  I understand where TER is coming from in implementing this policy.  They wish to ensure the credibility of the reviewer and reduce fake reviews.  Unfortunately, I do not believe that they are accomplishing their goal with this policy and I believe that they are in fact, creating the opposite effect of boosting credibility.

So, I think it would be valuable for the membership to offer suggestions and have a discussion about how to go about getting legitimate reviews published and weeding out the fake ones.  This is in the interest of everyone involved.  Mr. Elms may be a brilliant man, but anyone can benefit from the contributions of intelligent people who have an interest in the outcome of the solution of a problem.

-- Modified on 11/23/2008 1:48:38 PM

I happen to like the new TER policy. I believe there are less fake reviews because of it.
Sure, nothing like a new provider coming out of the woodwork and suddenly having five glowing reviews, all by first time reviewers. What purpose does that serve? I don't mind being cheated out of fake reviews.
You have it all wrong. TER's credibility has increased due to this policy.

Hello -

Are you saying that TER has established a minimum number of reviews that must already have been approved in order for a reviewer to have new reviews approved?  If so that makes no sense at all.

my understanding was that TER was holding reviews by previously unestablished ie new reviewers of unreviewed ladies until additional reviews of the unreviewed lady were submitted by TER members with  a review history. In other words the focus was to prevent the establishment of credibility to a previously unreviewed provider by a new and unestablished reviewer.

This makes sense, in order to prevent the establishment of a review history by LE for the purposes of a sting operation, or the perpetration of a scam on TER members. I understand that it would be frustrating to ladies trying to gain credibility via a review history on TER. However, TER's primary mission is to keep the hobby safe, to essentially provide a screening method to the hobbyist, and this policy is in line with this mission.

If I am misunderstanding the policy or your point I am open to being corrected or informed as necessary.

than relax the new standards (if they are even new). It should be hard to get a review submitted, not easy.  Also, the reviews should be constantly checked and monitored by not only TER, but the members as well.  If a member sees a suspect review, TER should be contacted so that they can look into it.

Besides, I don't think it's as much of an issue as you believe.  I still see many reviews by first time reviewers.

Also consider that the guys might be feeding you a line about the review being rejected.  It would be easy for them to lay the blame off on TER when they either did not want to write a review, or the review they would have written may not have been to your liking and they chose not to write it.

I have to wonder how you found out about the "fantastic reviews" being rejected.  Did you contact them to find out why they had not reviewed, or did they contact you?  Also, how would you know what was written if it wasn't posted.

Finally, your loss of income is not the issue here as the reviews are for the hobbyists, not the providers - it's one of the things that makes this site THE only site to trust.

Good luck



-- Modified on 11/23/2008 2:17:06 PM

As is said, the reviews are for the hobbyist - and it is these which others read, evaluate, and use to make their decisions on whom to visit. By relaxing the rules, it makes it EASIER for the put-ups and the self-promoters to gain access to the reviews. I, for one, have only posted one review, at the lady's request, but it was an honest one. Most ladies I see are UTR and don't want reviews, which I honor. But saying or making an insinuation that TER has no responsibility or right to edit, review or hold reviews is incorrect. This is their playing field, and their rules make it safe for the hobbyist ... enough said.

i have only a modest review history and have never had a problem getting the reviews accepted except for my first. it was rejected. i asked why. i was given a reason. so i fixed it and it was accepted.

so being very close to my first review, i can't say that there has been a problem in my own experience.

Is this ‘problem’ mainly one of new reviewer and new provider (or provider with fewer reviews)? Or is it one of new reviewer regardless of the provider? I see that you have 5 reviews. While you are not what most would consider ‘well reviewed’, given their quality you seem well on your way.

It seems that the underlying question or issue is “how does a new reviewer become established”? If a new reviewer submits a review of a well established or better established provider then there is at least a path available for staff to verify the review in a reliable way. Maybe staff would deem this process to difficult, but the option is available. Maybe they already do this, I don’t know.

I know that a provider can petition staff to remove fake reviews, but is there a process to petition staff to re-review submissions that have been rejected? What’s the threshold required by staff before they trust a provider’s word? Is there some secret formula of quantity of reviews in combination with the quality or establishment of the submitter?

I believe staff’s present process of holding on to these reviews from new reviewers until some minimum quantity (from a reviewer) is reached. This process seems easier for staff than the possibilities I outlined, but also more frustrating for providers. Hopefully some good ideas will surface.

First of all, please stop taking topics from the Provider Only board and speaking on issues as though we speak unanimously through you.
While a handful of providers expressed their concerns regarding this matter I hardly think that it is as prevalent or problematic as you suggest.  Referring to our board in a one-sided manner (in addition to compromising our discussions) is precisely why it is verboten to refer to it outside of the forum.

Regarding your topic:

I along with many other providers on TER have had no issue amassing a substantial body of reviews (and some of us in a relatively short amount of time).

TER is extremely diligent in its pursuit of an honest database.

TER doesn't simply do away with reviews without examination; reviews are a source of REVENUE for the website.  Obviously the more reviews that post, the more money it generates.

TER administration and staffers carefully consider account activity (including logins, location etc.) of both the provider and hobbyist in question.  I'm sorry but a member who says "Hey Torrid, I wrote this amazing review for you but it didn't post and I've been a TER member forever" isn't necessarily telling the truth.
"Forever" could be 3 months with one instance of logging in in his book.

I suggest to providers who have issues with their reviews posting: take this issue on with administration privately.  Aside from numbers being altered, with dozens of reviews to my name, I have never had an issue with new or relatively new posters with legitimate TER history (multiple logins, research over a span of some time) posting reviews on me.

Another thing is this:  if you want to be reviewed heavily court the review population.
I quickly became popular by targeting heavy hitters, simply PMing them and saying "Hey, I want my name out there.  I want for people to know who I am.  Come see me because I'm great."

If you operate on the fringe or don't procure enough business to generate reviews you can't blame the review system.

-- Modified on 11/23/2008 2:59:31 PM

The policy has never been stated directly to me or my reviewers or to any of the other providers that I know of.  

I know that I myself already have a credible review history from credible reviewers, yet my reviews consistently continue to be rejected if they are from first time reviewers, even if the first time reviewer has been a member of TER of many years.

I agree it should be hard to submit a review, not easy.  But what should those standards be?

You may believe that it isn't a big issue, but I assert based on the response from the other providers that it is.

I know that I am not being fed a line by my reviewers because they sent me a copy of both the reviews that they wrote and the response that they got from TER when it was rejected.  

The reviews are for both the hobbyists and the providers.  This is a two party system whether you want to accept that or not.  Neither one of us can survive in the hobby without the other.

Review status - Unapproved...HELP!
Posted by joepagar  , 11/14/2008 8:10:02 PM   [joepagar has 8 reviews]
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=279003&boardID=12&page=1

Warning: do not pay for VIP membership
Posted by maciek34  , 11/13/2008 2:03:44 PM  
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=80748&boardID=39&page=1

RANT: ter arbritary rejection of reviews (or is it ?)
Posted by viva_viagra  , 10/26/2008 9:18:09 PM  
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=276225&boardID=12&page=1

Review rejected...
Posted by coolermaster1979  , 10/19/2008 9:08:46 PM  
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=45230&boardID=33&page=1

Anyone else having trouble getting your Reviews Approved?
Posted by filmproducer  , 9/22/2008 7:32:15 PM   [filmproducer has 52 reviews]
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=209779&boardID=1&page=1

What am I doing wrong?
Posted by mrhughes  , 9/13/2008 10:21:17 PM  
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=43941&boardID=33&page=2

Review Unapproved?
Posted by theboz54  , 8/9/2008 8:44:41 AM   http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=42261&boardID=33&page=1

Duplicitous review approval standards??
Posted by JD1543  , 7/31/2008 9:05:17 PM  
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=41897&boardID=33&page=

Is this anyway to run an airline?
Posted by Yankee-doodler  , 5/15/2008 12:16:09 PM  
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=38900&boardID=33&page=

There's really nothing else to add.  

Overall, the review system seems to work fine and I applaud TER's effort to cut down on false reviews.  

No system is perfect, but I don't believe that the current system leads to "A substantially skewed perspective of who she (provider) is and what she is offering" nor does it create "A gross misrepresentation" as the original poster stated.

I seldom post responses where I feel I don't know enough to contribute inteligently, but this is my 2nd post on this thread, and I feel an obligation -

The country is in a recession, believe it or not. Our oldest and strongest brokerage firms, banks and the auto industry is in turmoil, looking to the Government to bail them out. It would seem logical that the hobbyist would also be effected by this, to some degree, which would translate (in many cases) into fewer visits. The reviews, therefore, would seem more important, since fewer "visits" equal fewer reviews, so each one would be important.

A comment above (actually 2) referenced that everyone who says they are writing a review may, in fact, not follow through. This is a hobbyists's right, just as it is a Providers right to chose not to see someone.

You have started a number of threads on this Board since early this year, most of which have carried your picture as well as a link. Most Providers do not include a picture, but you've certainly gotten some free advertising from it. In the 8 months since you've started posting, you have 5 reviews but have referenced in many posts that you are "very busy." So I guess my question would be "why are there only 5 reviews in 8 months?" Did all of the others get rejected by TER?

Reviews are meant to offer the Hobbyist an insight into the Lady. TER has a procedure that seems to work, and as was stated above, yours is a "Provider" and an Administrative" issue. While I have every respect for you and the other wonderful ladies here, if I go back and look at the other Threads you've started, and this one, it calls to mind an old Shakesperian Phrase - "Me thinks thou doest protest too much." Your 5 reviews are great ones ... don't blame the Hobbyist if they decide not to write one too.  

First of all, the topics I have brought from the PO board over are my own.  I can do as I please with them.  I didn't mention anyone's name or compromise anyone's anything.

I do not wish to target the heavy hitters myself.  I wish to continue to target the population that I currently serve.  This population does not review constantly.  I should not have to fuck people just to get a review.

Further, I procure plenty of business.  I just don't procure the same business that you do.  The clients I serve are extremely cautious and discreet about their identity and do not wish to post anything ever.  They don't post on the discussion boards and they don't post reviews.  It is a huge honor for me to have convinced any of them to submit a review period.

I AM SICK TO DEATH OF IT BEING OTHER PROVIDERS WHO COMPROMISE THE CREATIVE SOLVING PROBLEM PROCESS WITH THEIR OWN ISSUES OF BEING THREATENED BY NEW PROVIDERS.

Good for you honey that you have pages of reviews and that you have established yourself to that degree.  Others have not and are experiencing this issue.  If you don't find it to be a problem and don't have any solution to offer then don't say anything at all.  Why do you have to try to silence another provider from trying to solve an issue that she and others are experiencing????? Miss alias! And how ironic that you choose Gloria Steinam as an alias...a woman who proudly supports other women!!! Shame on you!

Do you know how many providers email or pm me supporting me or thanking me for saying what I do but are too afraid to post their feelings on the public board because of this kind of post??????

-- Modified on 11/23/2008 3:25:41 PM

I am a fairly new hobbyist and I haven't had any significant problems getting reviews posted. My first review was flagged because it didn't meet the format requirements. Once I focussed on following the directions closely, I didn't have any problems.

TorridAffair – I think you underestimate the seriousness of the problem of fake or misleading reviews. I am finding more and more that first and second reviews are posted by friends of the provider. Sometimes they are basically fantasy by some white knight trying to get into a provider's good graces. Once my reviews are published, I sometimes let the provider know, but I would never send her an unpublished review. Ummm, that a bullshit thing to do. It's flirting, not being a responsible member of the TER community.

If this is such a problem, it would make sense for the providers to come up with a solution and work with TER to solve it. It appears that you were trying to do that on the providers only board. The current system seems to work well, but everything can always be improved.  

Also, I think Gloria offered some creative problem-solving in her post and you rejected them with much disdain.  You might not like them, but they may prove helpful to other providers.





-- Modified on 11/23/2008 3:31:33 PM

-- Modified on 11/23/2008 4:06:34 PM

maybe you should stop by!!!

jazz32

Perhaps if her suggestions had not been dripping with condescending tone and insult, my response would not have been so disdainful.  

Other providers may in fact find her suggestions very helpful.  Good point.

If the problem only effected providers, then you would be correct.  Providers should be the ones to resolve it on their own with TER.  However, as my original post pointed out, this problem effects both hobbyists and providers.  Therefore, it merits a discussion from both.

Addressing your post:

1.  The topics that you have brought from the PO board are in reference to your own thoughts.  However, you usually accompany your thoughts with hyperbole in an attempt to demonstrate overwhelming support for your thoughts or ideas.  Four or five responses does not equal the hundreds of providers who participate in that board.  You are NOT representative of all providers who have access to it so your continued exaggerations are lost upon me AND irresponsible.
If you haven't noticed, you are the ONLY provider who routinely brings our discussions (excuse me, your "thoughts" and the support of others) onto the General Discussion board currently.  

2.  You "should not have to fuck people just to get a review" ?

REALLY?  Are you serious?

Where are you?  This is TheEroticReview.com.  It is a medium designed specifically for clients to evaluate SEX WORKERS and choose based upon their interests and preferences.

TER graciously ALLOWS providers (to their benefit) to participate in the forums and review process (in the form of contesting fake reviews and monitoring their profile).

I think that you need to reevaluate the sense of entitlement that you have towards TER and review sites; your life will be happier for it.

If you don't want to play the game and utilize your resource (i.e. "fucking" your fringe clients for reviews as apposed to mainstream clients until you have established credibility and enough business so that you don't feel a lack of new reviews cuts into your ability to generate interest and income) that is completely your prerogative; the lack of reviews posted is no fault of TER but directly resultant of your strategy.

3.  You don't know who my clientele is Torrid- don't presume you do.  I built my name using the tools at my disposal and am afforded clientele in virtually every market that I have targeted.  I walk a fine line between exclusivity and accessibility and enjoy the best of both worlds:  hobbyists who openly write reviews and clients who don't refer to themselves as "hobbyists" nor would write a review to save their life.

Considering that 4 out of 5 of your reviewers have contributed more than one review (and 3 out of 5 have many reviews) I don't really think that you're courting a clientele which is any different than the rest of providers who participate here for visibility.

4.  Established providers stifling the creative processes of unestablished providers?  THAT IS RICH.  Established providers have one thing that you do not:  the experience to know that constantly attempting to demonstrate acumen and savvy (coupled with photographs on a General Discussion board) is transparent and insults the intelligence of the readers.  Established providers couldn't care less about what other providers are doing, let alone providers who haven't figured out how to make the review system work for themselves in the form of simply generating them.
LOL

5.  My alias: darling, consider my alias a favor.
I posted without my name as not to dramatize this exchange (which you have sadly opted to do).  My name is as good as gold on TER and I currently choose not to muddle it with drama queens screeching bloody murder about things that they can handle privately.  Regarding my usage of 'GloriaSteinem' it is a reference- my friends know that all of my aliases are feminist pop culture related.  At any rate, birds like you have no idea what feminism truly is (here is a hint - it's not thumping on your chest to prove that you're smarter than everyone else or that you have discovered something that other women here simply haven't).

You accuse others of condescension constantly, yet in turn offer it in virtually every single one of your posts following sound advice (case in point here).

Lastly, do you know how many providers exchange mail regarding you discussing quietly how obnoxious you are?  I don't care about what crosses your PM box; I do you the courtesy of not providing this material, do us the same.  It doesn't prove your point.

Take your anger elsewhere, I feel none.

I was simply providing you with my thoughts; that you choose to ignore them for the sake of continuing to dramatize your "discussion" means nothing to me.

-- Modified on 11/23/2008 4:04:30 PM

......you give the impression that it was discussed by many providers that agree with you.  That was not the case. As Gloria stated, it was a handful and not all of them are of your opinion.  You are making it out to be a huge problem and that the providers are all behind you on this topic and bringing it here.  I for one would never be so presumptuous as to speak for anyone but myself.

By bringing any topic from the PO board to the general board is wrong. I don't care if you are the author of the topic. Ladies commented on it in private. They don't expect someone to broadcast their comments. Albeit you have not named names. The sheer fact of you saying it was discussed there and you felt the need to bring it here gives one the perception that we are all in agreement with you. I did not comment on your post on the po board and from now on I will never comment on any post you make on the provider board. I wouldn't want what I thought was a private post brought here.

I think you just need to relax and stop trying to be the Norma Rae of TER.  I for one don't want nor need a spokesperson.

-- Modified on 11/23/2008 3:54:44 PM

I have been a member of this board for almost 3 years.My reviews are old because  every time some one writes one it gets rejected.  BC not enough detail or who no’s . I have had 3 in the last month rejected and I am very well reviewed on an other board. So I will continue to participate here and place adds and have a banner or 2 up on my site but I will no longer direct traffic here. All 3 reviews that I have here I brought here. I know it’s not a lot but if they stop rejecting my reviews it could be …….OH Well.

1- If you read the Policies, it is clearly mentioned:

- Finding problems in reviews? Suspect fraud in a profile? Use the "Report a Problem" button on the review to get it corrected.

2- Are you 100% sure those rejected reviews were by long time members?

3- Have you read "Staff" recent posts? He always have a good answer for such questions, because he knows what you don't, and you may regret posting this on a public board instead of contacting TER and resolving it without getting embarrassed.

Can't wait for Mr. Elms's response....

===========================

PS. Take my response as a friendly advice and not a personal attack,....

Yeah well if we are not here to review then who you have to review. Sorry babe but this is a crock. Member’s review the reviews ha ha ha are you kidding me. That’s not fair at all. My
Reviews are solid ask around even if I’m not your type there isn't any one out there that can say I am not reputable. I'm pissie about this BC as I have said I had clients come here from other boards and only to have their time wasted. What kind of business practice is that? I don't know how TER makes there money but if they get a bad rep for selectively reviewing only the ladies reviewed or only  the   reviewers they want is that going to be enough to pay there bills. Don’t get me wrong I personally don't like a juicy detailed review all that much but it is annoying to tell my clients to come here only to have them tell me they were rejected. Just a thought.
Cheers livie.

My posting was in no way an attack on TER.  In fact, I believe I made that crystal clear Tony.  As I said, I understand why TER has this policy.  I have brought this to the attention of staff numerous times, only to be told to have my reviewer contact them.  When my reviewer contacts them, he gets some vague reply that doesn't solve any problem or resolve any issue.  

I can't wait for Mr. Elm's response either.  And, I do not take your advice as a personal attack.  Just wanted to make clear that I am not attacking anyone either.  Just trying to come up with creative solutions to a problem. I believe that there is more than one way to solve this problem and was hoping that another way that would be useful to Mr. Elms would come from this discussion.

I have stopped by Jazz.  Whenever a newbie asks about this they get the same tired response.  Keep writing reviews and eventually yours will get posted.  I'm sorry, but that just doesn't solve the problem to me or to my clients who don't want to write a bunch of reviews.

Who’s afraid of the big bad wolf………..
Not me Torrid I do agree with you on this one and your right for the people it dose not pertain to then may be they should  not comment and certainly not with an alias. If your right your right I think alias are cowards so that makes them wrong. In this case any way.

Your post about what was going on your providers board only confirms that. The minute some of you ladies aren't getting a 9 or 10 or not having a new review in your respective city database some of you providers are up in arms.

Although I haven't submitted any reviews yet; when I do I am confident they will be posted as long as I follow the TER guidelines.

The review system of Ter has to be stringent in order to deter and eliminate fake reviews. Yes, reviews generate business for providers but that's a bonus for you ladies. The actual intent of reviews are for hobbyists to evaluate if they want to see an escort; To see whether if the provider is a rip off or whether they are worthy of an appointment.

The review system wasn't meant to give providers only 9's or 10's; But for hobbyists to be honest in their reviews, whether they have a good or bad time. As far as I know Ter has the best review database of any escort site and the system has actually gotten better.    

Apparently, it is difficult for some people to interpret the plain English language, because I never said I was speaking for ALL providers, nor did I even imply it.  But to make everyone happy here, there are some providers who are perfectly fine with the way things are and don't want anything to change.  However, there are also some that do want things to change and do experience the problem I have expressed.  I don't speak for anyone but myself.

WOW this is really just mean I don't understand why you feel the need to blast here like this?
No one is perfect she is trying to  solve an issue that others do have weather you see it or not but you just cut here down like a dog and you say you have no anger as your smashing her face in the dirt. I’m sorry it doesn’t look that way.

not a 2-way street.  If a provider has good TER Reviews, then her business is better.  This is only true because the reviews are reputable for being accurate and controlled by the hobbyists, not the provider.  The very fact that a provider cannot create their own profile, but must wait until a verified review creates it is ONE of the basis for the credibility of the reviews.

The other basis is that the Reviews are vetted, monitored, and regulated by the TER, which has no connection with the providers and does not solicit them to become members just to attract the hobbyists like the other sites do.

If any member who has had a review rejected failed to contact TER and try to work it out, then it's on them for it not being posted.  EVERY time I, personally, have had a problem requiring TER's support, I have been OVERWHELMINGLY taken care of and satisfied.

If the gentlemen to whom you refer came over here and tried to submit a review, yet didn't work with the site to either correct the problem with the review or remain patient enough to establish credibility before having the reviews accepted, then THEY wasted their OWN time, TER didn't waste it.

Note: Caps used for emphasis, not shouting.

to a question which is asked by most members.

By pointing to your own reveiws you made it personal....

You keep talking about a "solution," yet your definition of "solution" is to have your reviews posted easier.  To me, that would be a problem and a serious erosion of TER Review credibility.

We cannot have providers directing reviewers to the TER site or thinking about the reviews as "theirs." That is just as problematic as a restaurant asking its favorite customers to post reviews about their restaurant.

The reviews NEED to be arms length from the providers to maintain their integrity.

Plus, you have awesome reviews. So please stop asking your clients to write reviews. If they happen to write them, I'm sure they will be wonderful, but we can't have providers trying to game the system.

TER found on thoses review is better than allowing 1 fake review,...

so, no - it is not a 2-way street.  These reviews are here for the hobbyist.  TER allows the providers to benefit from the reviews by linking their own TER usernames to them and directing website traffic back to TER, but the provider does not control the profile.  This is the foundation for the TER Reviews credibility.

Your rejected reviewers had the option to work with TER to either correct the issues with the reviews or show some patience while they establish themselves with the site through participation or demonstrated veracity.  That is the solution to your "problem," not having the provider advocate for making the review postings easier.

In answer to your first question about what the standards should be.  Whatever standards are set by TER, it their site and you (and your clients) have the option not to accept them by walking away.

Good luck

Why? I’m lost here if you must be an established provider to have reviews posted then what’s the issue why the rejection?   And if a guy is new or just new to TER why dose that make him unworthy?     And   Ya   know I have to say there are other ladies out there that are having this same issue. It  is not looking fair from where I sit either. So what is the real deal?

I joined VIP early on and spent lots of time navigating and learning the ins and outs of the site. I must say this is an incredible community with lots of people willing to help.

I saw my first two providers this week and posted a review for one of them already.  The review was posted within 36 hours of my submission.  I will write a review for the other lady I met shortly and I don't anticipate any problems.

Thanks to TER my first two experiences were incredible.  I met two very nice and genuine ladies with great reviews and I would very much like to keep in touch with them.

reviews posted, but, in most cases, you have to have some credibility as a hobbyist lately to have your first few reviews posted if they are for providers with few reviews.

For example, There were 463 new profiles created in the past TEN DAYS.  That's 463 providers who have not been "established" who had at least one review posted for them.

It's not the problem it seems to be.

thread seems to contradict your assertion.

I am sorry if you find this difficult or my comments unsettling, but they were honest and provoked only by her choice to bypass my objective thoughts regarding the issue at hand.

The point here really is:

TER provides extremely open lines of communication in terms of maintenance of our profiles.

Really.

Resourceful providers and those who invest the time and energy into finding a solution to their review woes are capable of doing so - and not to the detriment of the system.
Maintaining integrity of the review process is the #1 priority of TER, not ensuring that every review of every client who is ASKED by a provider to post one becomes a part of the database.

Personally, I have dealt with more than my fair share of issues with TER during my time in the business and to exceptional results.  I find administration's attentiveness, response time and interest impeccable (considering that they owe me nothing).

Being that I have resolved a number of issues through the proper avenues I have very little sympathy for other providers who aren't equally resourceful.  

If you say that you can't get a single review posted, its time to bypass new reviewers in favor of established reviewers in the form of creative advertising or specifically targeting reviewers in your market (impropriety isn't necessary, offering special rates to VIP members only is entirely permissible).

We all have the capability of encouraging steady reviews - there isn't a magic trick to it, nor is anyone targeting the girls who can't seem to get one to stick.
The reality is 1 out of 20 clients writes a review.  You have to WORK steadily in order to amass a review body.  You have to TARGET clients who write them frequently.

Anything less is acceptance of fewer reviews.
Complaints about this acceptance will always be fruitless.

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I have never asked anyone to write anything but the truth.  And, I ask every single person I see.  Fair.

Not fair...only reviews from a particular population who tend to have particular experiences.

If you think the reviews I have posted are awesome, you would be blown away by the ones that are not.

First I get attacked for speaking for ALL providers, when clearly I was not.  Then, I am attacked for making the problem personal.  Can't win.  I give up.

Shame on me for bringing an issue to this group and trying to illicit intelligent conversation.

I'm still not comfortable with your asking people to write reviews. Personally, if someone asked me to write them a review, I probably wouldn't on principle. And I love writing reviews. No one has ever asked me so the issue hasn't come up.

I personally don’t care about he reviews per say as you stated  only 1 in 20 writes reviews so the fact that tey aren’t there dose not mean I’m not working. Luckily. But yes I would like to have more current reviews  here on TER I like the board and do want to support it. May be my clients did not work with TER that I don’t know. But I do know  they wont keep at either. And I will not ask.  I just wish you ladies  would not talk down to one an other I know it sounds corny but it is truly terrible. Just a thought.

is that they not be raunchy.
When I 1st started I was RJ bouncing betty  and the reviews were so out of control I had to change my name Due to  the way some guys thought they had a right to speak to me based on the reviews. So yes I will ask if you choose to write  please be discreet. That’s probably why mine get rejected. lol

Torrid jan, nazar khoone iroonit be joosh byad o hamaro doshman e khodet bekony,... maha hamamoun ego darim bazy jaha khooneh bazia jaha badeh,...

Movazebe khodet bash,...

That was a very well written review, and your choice of company well chosen.

Yes, that could be the problem.  I've have a couple reviews rejected for not having enough details.  But I included more of my experience and they were then approved.

...worry way too much about reviews. If your meeting a provider as a hobbyist was contingent upon receiving provider reviews, you may worry too. This topic of reviews has come up so much in the time I have been on this board (since August). Unfortunately, in that time, I have received only one review!!! I cannot receive business without being a “well-reviewed” provider, because hobbyists tend to remain on the cautious side about new ladies (read the newbie board and you will see this is the advice given to newbie’s almost daily…”stick to the well-reviewed”). I understand the logic, while I still believe IMHO that any provider worrying about reviews is legit and not exaggerated. Until another wonderful gentlemen decides to TOFLT, I will continue to see UTR gentlemen who tend not to be from the TER community (unfortunately). I hope this posts sheds some light on why some (I use some to not generalize) providers might worry about reviews and why their concerns are legit. Thanks for listening.    ~Giamarie
BTW, thanks TORRID for posting this post. It is nice to see various types of discussion AND opinions on this board. TER should always allow room for diversity. Although I wish I could post regularly, I understand it would not help my cause of getting any new reviews, given the responses I witness daily to certain posts…so, I applaud you for having the guts if anything to put yourself out there. Also, thanks to GLORIA for the advice on how to get reviews. I will try that and maybe something will change.
Now back to just reading and not writing on the boards. This post should last me another four months!

He is a member here but never wrote reviews..Since this was special to all three of us he tried to post a review.

He's not new nor am I..His review was rejected..

I see many newbies and most say the same thing...They feel that if seeing a lady who is reviewed already can't get a review why bother even writting a review at all.

We need each and every member of TER to get involved..I love this community and what it stands for to all of us..I understand needing to keep reviews real and not allow phony reviews to be posted...

Is there any easier way to get some of these newbie reviews posted before the gentlemen decide to move on.I have posted about this problem on the newbie board a few times myself.

Kisses Haley

If it is in fact a new policy they should make reviewers aware so they don't waste their time and can post where they will be accepted.

TER is a business. They presumably do the things they do to maximize their profit, grow their business and manage their risks. Nothing in life or business works 100% according to plan. Reviews are the core of their business. TER has clearly made a commitment to keep the honesty and integrity of reviews as high as possible. The processes and procedures they keep in place to achieve their goals I’m sure are weighed against other forces that may from time to time conflict. Balancing these other forces has got to be a trade off. One example is the ease of use by reviewers. Another is the costs born by TER to implement their approval process and adjudicate claims of false reviews etc. When a new or relatively new hobbyist posts a review it’s natural that the procedures demand more scrutiny. When the first reviews are submitted for a newly arrived provider, they too require extra care. When both ‘new’ conditions arrive together then double care is asserted I’m sure.

In some businesses there is a simple two way customer/supplier relationship. In most others where there are three or more parties involved but it is a linear or straight line arrangement where party One sells to or serves party Two (like a wholesaler) and then party Two sells to party Three (retailer level). Party Three (the end customer) never even sees party One (the wholesaler).

What we have here is more like a ménage trois or three way triangle where all three parties interact . . . much more difficult to manage effectively. I am equally sure that TER is constantly on the look out for ways to improve their business.

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Because this reflects an inconsistency in the application of policy.  The experience that my reviewers have had as well as the reviewers of many other providers does not match this one.

FYI: He has been a member for almost a year, and as he mentioned he did all the research during that time and finally posted his first review. There is a difference between a member who signs up today, submits a review today, and never comes back to TER again!
and a member who has signed up a year ago, have visited TER everyday and finally submits a review.

Calm down and use your common sense, do not be judgmental about things you don't know!

You are right there is a difference.  Perhaps I should be more patient and wait for you to reply for my calls for help before I make judgments based on appearances.

However, I know that in my case my reviewers do not fit the prototype you described of signing up one day, submitting a review, and never returning again. I know this because unless the TER reviewed providers who vouched for my clients when I screened them lied to me, my clients must have a history of searching on this board.

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I wish you would have waited for my response on PO board. You are wrong sweetie,... I'm sorry,...
You are not going to like what Staff have to say about those reviews,...

Please tell us how this one ends. I beg you. This is better than a soap opera. Now that she opened Pandora's box the truth MUST be revealed.

perhaps the type of reviews you describe should in fact be posted but marked in a special way until corroborated by further reviews. The marking or labeling could indicate that the review, though posted, is considered tentative - and that caveat emptor applies.....

I was told by several TER hobbiest (face to face non-BDSM visit) that I would have more visits once I received my first review.  

We as providers are not creating the stress of getting reviews all by ourselves.

Note* I do not have a review but I still give Great GFE Customer Service!

Raquel