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If you got hit by a bus, would you have left a clue? I think I'm clueless!
captain7 1323 reads
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I'm pretty sure my hobbyist career would not end up in my eulogy, unless of course, the bus crashed into the hotel room during a session. I have Google Voice & Gmail to thank for most of it. I make most calls, texts and emails through the web as opposed to using the apps on my phone. I delete all phone calls, texts and emails throughout the course of business. It's not a shame thing for me, it's more to "protect" the SO & the kids.
I suspect most, if not all, providers would leave a clue, but, that's just the nature of their business.

While there is no "personal" info that would lead anyone to a provider, my life in this game is an open book with lots of links to sites, etc.  It is much simpler to live out in the open, and not in the shadows where I need to concoct lies and cover stories.  I'm a really shitty liar and am happy not to have to do it.

Panthera121068 reads

A good P.I. can dig and find, but I have all of my passwords memorized, disposable phones and 4 different computer/devices which are clean or well encrypted. You can control what you have stored, but cannot control communications to others and they may have stored your information.

Then you have social media which leaves a lot of footprints and invades your privacy because you have less then what you think.  

Just don't forget that the government has everything so if necessary they can write your biography for you.

AnotherDonJohn883 reads

That's probably the single most incriminating thing I have.

Although I'm more blackmail proof than many.

We are probably not as anonymous  as we think we are.  That said, I do wish a tech savvy hobbyist would weigh in on the use of Google Voice, Gmail, etc. as a means of covering ones tracks.

I use GMail, only logging in from my browser, and only on my smart phone.  Instead of Google Voice, I use another app (Pinger) to txt and make quick phone calls. The app is deeply buried in my menus and all notifications are off.  I also delete everything.  

I guess it's possible a highly knowledgable tech person could find the stuff, or your communications could still be tracked back to your smartphone's IP address, but not sure.  I try to be careful, but not paranoid either..

Sparta

There are lots of them:

Read the service agremeent for your broadband; there's a good chance that it says that they reserve the right to collect browsing information. Most modern routers are full-fledged 32-bit computers that run Linux or similar, so anything that a web-server or phone can collect, they can too. This came up a while back: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/13/dlink_routers_have_admin_backdoor/  I seem to recall others.

Anything that gives out your home IP address identifies you, since the ISP knows your credit card info and address. There are ways around that: you can use a proxy, and there are both free and commercial ones. I haven't done much with that, but if it's in the right juristiction it may be hard for anyone to force the operator to hand over your info. Some may not keep IP logs, but that's as hard for you to verify as agency claims about destroying all of your info.

You can also use a system like Tor, which bounces your traffic all over the world to make it hard to figure out who visited what page. There's even an Linux-based operating system called Tails that boots off of a CD or USB stick and gives you a special version of Firefox pre-configured to use Tor. (There are others also, and I have no opinion on which is best.) The advantage to that is that it's easy to keep your personal and hobby browsing separate when they're not on the same OS. I know that early versions didn't mask the traffic through your router (so the above problem applied), but they may have fixed that. It's pretty easy to use, and has an option to add an encrypted volume for your hobby-related files (much like Truecrypt, which I know some guys use). Gmail doesn't like Tor, and some other sites are equally fussy. Hushmail works fine.

Even then, you can still be identified by what's called the MAC address of your computer. That could be connected to you if you used the same machine to read your regular email, or if the manufacturer kept a list of MAC addressed and who bought which machines. One way around that is to buy a computer on Craigslist. Use a throw-away e-mail or phone to contact the seller, and pay cash. I heard one guy say that he liked to get used iPads that way and do his hobby e-mail from coffee shops. The MAC can also be spoofed, and some Tor related projects are working to do that automatically.

When I got my first hobby phone, I thought of the fact that my regular phone and hobby phone would switch between cell towers along the same route, meaning that someone with access to computers at whatever carrier[s] I happen to use could connect the dots and figure out that they're owned by the same person. It seemed paranoid at the time, but according to Snowden & Co., metadata collecton does in fact do that. They also flag anyone who turns on a phone only briefly, and look for any other phone turned off at the same time. The only way to avoid being flagged might be to leave your regular phone at home - and on - and take only your hobby phone. You would have to turn your hobby phone on only when you're not near your house. That would make it a pain if your car breaks down, or if you had to call in an identifiable way for some other reason. Also, if you're driving, lots of juristictions have plate-readers mounted in their squad cars, so they may have a record of what cars were in the areas that your phone traveled through. Private security cameras may catch that also, but that data isn't as likely to be in a database that can be easily connected to others and searched.

Browsing habits can be unique, too. I thought about my normal choice of search engines, mapping software, and e-mail service, and it was actually pretty identifiable. It probably wouldn't be as much of an issue for someone who normally uses gmail, google, and google maps, but whatever you use will show up in browser cookes and referrer information that's passed to destination sites when you click a link.

I just looked at what I wrote, and I'm sure that a lot of people will be thinking "What did you DO? Nobody would go to that trouble to track down the random punter." That's actually the moral of the story: This isn't the 90's. The data is all online and searchable. Twenty years ago that type of data analysis would have meant having an investigator drive around asking random store managers for their security-camera tapes, then watching them one-by-one; now it's so easy to get your hands on police plate-reader data that private recovery services use it to track down stolen cars. Lots of major websites already have agreements by which they hand over data piles to the Fed, so there's no labor involved. Police departments could afford to use this to nail 15-year-olds breaking curfew.

There's a lot of other stuff to watch out for. Maybe someone should condense it into a neat list with links to counter-measures. I'm only sort of aware of this stuff, so I'd still need to do quite a bit of reading.

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I'm in IT, and agree wholeheartedly with larnel.  You have to determine the degree of risk that you are willing to assume and use the corresponding security.  Even with a burner phone, they are triangulating your position (geographically) every time you make or receive a call, and can even do it when you're not on a call if the phone is on.  The cell towers track phones constantly.  Who is to say that the information couldn't get leaked out to someone for $$$ or friendship.  The Web is inherently insecure now.  Breaches happen all the time, and I think that it's possibly only a matter of time before someone rents one of the botnets that are out there for rent to find hobbyists or providers for blackmail.  The number of PCs that are infected with malware and even keystroke loggers is mind-boggling and in three months when Windows XP goes off support, the number will skyrocket.

I don't think there is any way to completely protect yourself.  You just have to live with the risk that you are comfortable with.

Panthera121009 reads

While I still do have a Google voice line, I have been phasing out my gmail addresses and replacing them.    I also no longer use Google's browser unless I am on a VPN or accessing Google through a private browser.  

Try DuckDuckGo or IxQuick as your browsers as they do not track, nor do they record your IP addy. You could also use hidemyass to access Google without them tracking you. That doesn't prevent the websites that you are visiting from recording or seeing your IP address while you are visiting them unless you are on a VPN or TOR

Hi Panthera ;)

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I have a crush on you, will you go out on a date with me? (I'm showing ADJ how to ask a girl out on a date, see, very simple)

very nice to me....could you have a word with him, Panthera, for me? (I'm batting my eyelashes at you) lol

Panthera12814 reads

I haven't a clue why ADJ and you are not sack material. In fact, you seem as if you are compatible with him. I would highly recommend that your first (not fist) date be 3 hours. Each of you must prepare a speech to read to one another. Each of you will wear duct tape for the others hour so there will be no interruptions. The third hour will be spent fucking.  
I suggest that you only charge him for two hours, meet him half way.

You do know that Curly is going to be devastated playing second fiddle to ADJ.

not 'my' type ;) (batting my eyelashes again) hahahahahaha  

Remember, a board persona is a board persona is a board persona...some of us deviate, some of us do not, the game is to figure who does and who doesn't.  

Do you really think I 'talk' this much on a 'date'...you're f'n crazy LOL

AnotherDonJohn879 reads

I guess you bat a lot of eyelashes on a date.:)

AnotherDonJohn975 reads

Ah well.  

And Miss Steele knows in her heart what she did wrong.

Beside, my Milf urge passed.  

Ask Billaboo or what ever the fukk her name is. I flat out told her my age cutoff is 42.

Because I wouldn't be around to care about it. To be completely honest, I don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks about me and what I'm doing anyway, that would be a complete waste of my time and energy. I don't have a SO, I didn't start my hobby career until after I left my ex wife, even though I'm not a man of faith, I still made a promise and who am I if I'm not true to my word. The only thing I'd be concerned about while I'm still living is my employer finding out, I make a very nice living and it would be inconvenient for me to lose that.

I do struggle with that. We both made a promise and we both agreed to break it, but it was still a promise. I can assure you of one thing, I'll not make the mistake of making that promise again. Notice I said assure and not promise.

I 💚 hookers wasn't the smartest idea.
Shoulda listened to the artist.

Cosette1105 reads

If I died before my loved ones found out certain things about me, if those things are important to me of course, then I would feel I have cheated them out of really knowing me.

Maybe not in my eulogy, but I would want them to know how strongly I felt about everything I feel strongly about anyway.

In this case not, oh Cosette was an escort when she was 30, but more like, she felt strongly about sex, and wasn't afraid to go full force to achieve it.

0603450onThe1114 reads

gentlemen to DELETE all email threads right before our appnt. I save absolutely nothing, and I hope to god the gentlemen I see are smart enough to do the same...I 'hope'. I have a life WAY outside of this one as do many others...get on top of it people. Good points above and many of which I already do. See, on top of 'my' game here folks.

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then technically any information that we have concerning this is defunct.so the answer to your question is in the title of your thread.
if you are giving us all invalid information that is untraceable and not connected to you because of your discretion needs
then in turn when we leave behind any traces they're not going to be traced you .
as far as me leaving behind any paper trail at a Funeral
that's not really something I'm concerned with her think about or have time to care about in my life
but thats good that that's something you're thinking about all the power to ya!
what's going on with me right now is I have two huge cans of paint and I'm in the process of taking all the hooks and shelves down and paintings in all the rooms and I am going to be painting my living room as well as my bathroom
my phone or my contacts or trail is the last thing on my mind
in the event I get hit by a bus unfortunately I'm probably not going to care about my phone or sleep matters because I will be traveling in the cosmos or better yet getting reincarnated as a white Bengal tiger.
the real wisdom is that yesterday is history tomorrow is a mystery today is a gift and that's why they call it the present.
Mmmuah,
enough with the death and destruction will you
Xo
you silly rabbit that's such a weird unusual post
don't you have anything fun and exciting going on in your life to discuss or start a topic about??
mulling over what will be left behind when you die is just so exciting I am jumping around the r oom.
remind me to invite you to the next party you're probably a real live one huh

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