I have been getting too many requests to do everything bareback. listen it’s gross okay ! I don’t understand why men that know I have sex for money (we are very clean getting tested more than a regular civi) but yeah that doesn’t know me from a whole in the wall would be so open to doing such a thing. The requests have been coming in more and more lately meaning more girls are doing it. Then the nerve they have to tell me “I will pull out” or “I’m clean babe” WTF I swear these men need some sense in their head.

According to the verbose, high horse, board pinata here, it means you will engage in unprotected sex. I know, right? Lol

Open minded doesn't mean "come fuck me raw" that's disgusting.

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Open minded does not mean that! 😞 ugh! The ignorance 🤦🏻‍♀️

This is how shit starts here. A know-it all puts out something as dumb as "open minded" = BBFS and some noobies or uneducated types will buy into it. Open minded to me at least, meant they may be willing to try things, like certain fetishes, or possibly be agreeable to role play, or things of that nature. It never meant the girl was willing to put her life or physical health on the line for a client.  
Gambler's point is also valid that it may be a meaningless term, as many will have a different take of what it really means. But assuming it means raw dogging is naive and a bit dangerous, as a guy who does get convinced into thinking that from what he reads here, may show up at a girls door expecting BBFS and that only puts a girl in a terrible spot.

Term open minded does not mean BBFS.  

BBFS means BBFS. Quit dreaming you are magician and can read through minds or words.  

Open minded means nothing more than has an open mind. Example, I don't have play with TS, just not my thing. But I have a few GF in Manila and that is all they will play with. I am open minded enough to not feel gross out or yuck and see that is just a personal preference.    

Can mean I am happy put my finger your ass, or can mean I am happy put fist in ass. Let me know when you figure out which it means. Can mean difference between you can COF and you can come on a napkin.

It amaze me people say it means one thing someplace and one thing somewhere else. It means the provider simply is open minded. Nothing more.  

Just my 2cent

Christine

The misinformation spread here is disturbing at times. My take is as yours, and bare back never crossed my mind.

but that said, what he was putting out there was reckless and dangerous and needed to be called out. He did the very same thing on the K-Girl board, bashing anyone who was looking for "PSE" claiming it meant BBFS and by doing so further muddying some already very cloudy waters.

 
I don't normally like to engage on "dog piling", but he needed to be shouted down by any and every sane and logical poster here, both men and women alike and I think we did put up a rather united front.

 
Sorry CDL if you are reading this, and I am sure you are, but what you did was reckless and counterproductive to the safety of everyone here.

I get many requests lately asking for bareback. "Open monded" or "PSE" simply means I am open minded and like to do kinky various things.  I do not offer that. This is upscale...I do not hobby a street corner....Sick fucks! Lol

A lot of folks in general seem to think that covered services/activities are not as enjoyable as bare. It is a misconception and a myth that exists in the general population and unsurprisingly, filters through to folks in this hobby. I wish that this idea didn't exist but alas!  

As someone who only ever offers covered services for discretion + health reasons, I hear where your frustrations are coming from. But I think it is also important to remember that for different folks, different risks are worth it.  

I'm told that some years ago, bbbj were not as common as they're now. Because of different variables, a lot of folks started offering it, and a lot of folks started buying it (or vice versa). Is it frustrating when I get requests for those when I only offer covered services? Yes, but it is what it is.  

I absolutely condemn clients pushing boundaries, or asking to "bend the rules just for them". I think it is a red flag and signals disrespect. I think it is also disrespectful for clients as a whole to try and change the rules of such an intimate industry and they do so flagrantly on boards all the time with the excuse of "we're the one with the money, we make the rules" attitude. Frankly, that attitude disgusts me more than anything else.  

But I also don't condone bashing other providers who may offer whichever bare services for whatever reason they choose to.  There is an over representation of clients asking for bare services on boards and it can seem very intimidating for folks trying to make the money they're trying to make.

I think it is fair to say the uncovered activities feel better to some - if not most - penises (or "penes" in some dictionaries - I had to look it up because I thought it might actually be "penii"...).  Some percentage of penises cannot maintain an erection with a condom on, so penetration is virtually impossible - even with a cock ring in some cases.  I understand that is a huge loss for some men, and I don't judge them on their quest to enjoy sexual penetration.  Likewise, I don't judge the lades who accommodate this.  For the most part, I think it is none of my business.*

*Caveat: If someone seeks me out who has a review history with ladies who are well-known for their BB practices, I will avoid just to skip any awkwardness in that regard.

There are always going to be guys asking for bareback. And they don't need  code words.
There are billions of people on this earth and each one of them is responsible for their own choices.

Suffering from self righteous indignation won't change anyone. All it will do is cause the sufferer pain.  

So, my suggestion is say yes or no, whatever your personal choice is, and move on to the next choice.  

 
Now it's Friday afternoon and I'm going to go and enjoy a BBBJ, DATY and CFS with one of my absolute favorite ladies this afternoon. I wish everyone as much fun as I'm going to have.

Mick

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I don't believe that I am having euphoric recall but BBFS with my two wives, who are now ex wives, felt much better.  

I understand you trying to sell the idea, but it is not true.

That said CFS is appropriate in my promiscuous lifestyle.

you would never have protected sex with a GF.  I don't keep up with this crap and I don't really care but many other people say PSE means anal.  All these terms are meaningless.

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There are tiers of clients and ladies out there. The BBFS types are the bottom of the barrell types and the, " I have zero respect for myself, the hobby, or my partners" types.

They are the ones who need help and should take a break from this hobby.

A provider went on vacation specificaly to have civilian sex. She was tired of only having sex with tricks. She wanted to choose who she wanted to have sex with. On the first day she hooked up with a guy and raw dogged him for a week straight. He was a lifeguard so he probably had sex with as many women as she had with men. Provider's practice saafe sex with tricks but some don't do it in their private lives. Then they bring STD back to their tricks and then blame the tricks if they get STD.

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No it was BBJCOTNQNS. Freaking awesome.

He does not believe open minded means bbfs. I know English is not your first language so you probably missed this in his post. He was being sarcastic in pointing out that "verbose, high horse, board piñata" (aka CDL) tried to tell everyone that open minded = bbfs, last week.

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That is what I do ... I don't suffer those kinds of fools! First, however, I tell them that bbfs is for wives and girlfriends, and I am neither one of those ...

Getting damn tired of providers whining about FS requests.
You think these clowns have original ideas???
They're asking because other providers are giving them that service.
But either way don't come crying to us.
Don't see the jerk and leave it at that.

In my younger and wilder days, I enjoyed the occasional "low end" underground club event, and most of the ladies there were aghast (if not disgusted) that I did BBBJ.  On the other hand, I have played with some "high end" ladies that BBFS with high-paying or well-liked regulars.  

If there is an intersection between BBFS, "tiers", and "needing help" or needing a break from the biz/hobby, the common denominator I've seen has been drug (and/or sex) addiction.  

Thank you Mimi, I am very sure it's bullshit!
Generalizations rarely tell the truth.

Providers will always get requests for BBFSCIP. From Streetwalkers to High End Upscale Escorts. You'll just have to deal with it as you see fit. Don't want to go BBFSCIP, then don't. If the guy insists, then don't have sex with him. Ranting and raving about the dangers of BBFSCIP isn't going to stop it from happening.

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It must be frustrating to get requests for high risk sex play and recognize that if that monger did not want that particular  service, you would have a client.  

It's a personal choice to leave money on the table.  

I don't know whether to thank you for giving me a horse laugh or charge you for spitting my drink on my screen.

I now have on my p411 profile a suggestion that if the providers would prefer CBJ that'd be fine with me.

I think uncovered is mostly a fetish -- it's the idea rather than the actual sensation.  

Providers should make a list of POS guys looking for BBFS and send autoreply when somebody from the list calls.

It appears he has retired from posting.

Yep! Always doctors.

When I first started escorting I offered a 30 minute “meet me in public” for $50 and have a drink or coffee since I didn’t have many reviews. I can’t tell you the number of people emailing who thought that it meant they could fuck me in public for 30 minutes.  

Like others have said, block and ignore.

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Is undercover pu$$ies and daty and rimming cleaner and safer that uncovered dick?

I have had covered and I have had bareback, and with many women I have had both, covered to begin with and after a certain level of trust transitioning to bare and while I too can only speak for myself, there is a HUGE difference between the two, and the older I get the more of a difference I notice.

 
Now that said, I am an even bigger pig than Mick and the extra sensation isn't worth dying for. I've been with thousands of women some of whom have been with thousands of men and the math is just staggering when you stop to think about it, but I only cover up to save my life and my ability to continue fucking for decades to come, and NOT because there isn't much of a difference in the sensation. Anyone who has ever had a condom break should be able to attest to the change in sensation, all of a sudden it changes from feeling "good" to feeling "fantastic", don't even try to tell me there is no difference

 
Now if you are talking BBBJ vs CBJ,  you are free to offer whatever services you feel comfortable, but as for myself, BBBJ is an "acceptable" risk to me and that's what I want when getting a BJ, providers are free to set their own rules and I am free to go elsewhere. See how easy that is?

could rival AIDS for health disaster, but exactly what is "undercover pussies"?

 
Then there's pregnancy to consider.

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Now I just stare at my email or phone like wtf and happily block then blacklist their asses. It's highly disturbing. The part that gets me is they can't be STD free right?  Who specifically seeks out an escort for raw sex?????? I figure they don't feel too bad giving us diseases because of our job and vanillas don't deserve such treatment  right? (rolls eyes) .  Or maybe because we fuck so much that we won't know who gave it to us (rolls eyes again) . This is the only thing that makes sense to me. No one who is std free is paying to have bare sex. It's not a luxury, people do it everyday, so why pay?

There is a term for men who get off by passing around STDs and receiving them, can't think of it but it is a thing lol. Shit is real.. people like this are sick and need a friend or a hug. A protected hug of course...with a condom on.

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I think the proper word is "STUPID" lol

 
Most responsible people cover up because they don't want to die, or have their dick fall off or their pussy rot from the inside out, but to call bare back sex a "fetish" is one of the most patently stupid things i've heard around here in quite some time. Claiming covered sex feels just the same as uncovered is probably the second stupidest.

Well, I admit I didn't account for petrified dicks.

Some people never learn and don't care either.
So it's not only some hobbyists, but some providers too.
They just don't get it.

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I don't spend my whole like looking at adult adds and porn. Any one that knows my post also knows I can not spell shit!  I can understand accidently posting a misunderstanding add.  When did we need a dictionary to post a F____ ad? Crazy!  
be well.

.... to be ok with not doing it.  Or perhaps the ones that say it isn't any better are actually barebacking and protest too much.

I had someone ask me that the other day and I was so upset. I mean seriously. Just why! If men think this is okay it isn't by any means. You should always be 100% protected condoms, birth control etc. Asking and thinking it is okay is not okay. You're putting yourself at risk for something bad to happening. Providers should never do it and clients should never ask.  Once something is contracted there is no way to fix it. Why ever should anyone put themselves in danger. Always be safe and protected. Wrap it up.

better than a CBJ.

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Well, this is a bit of a coincidence. I was coming on to this board to post on this very topic...and this is the first thread on the board.

I was on the ad board for Dallas tonight and there was a provider who states in the subject line "BBFS Provided". This caught me by surprise and I was thinking it might just be a joke or spam or something but found that this provider has a lot of reviews, is not a bottom feeder or obvious drug addict...and even includes in her website that she loves bareback FS.  She has a number of reviews from Guys who have barebacked with her and it really seemed like it is no big deal to them.  So this is a pretty strong indication that it is out there if men want it and certainly emboldens them to ask for it.  

while I whole heartedly agree that bare feels better than covered, I am not interested in it with a provider and would shy away from any that I know provide it either from their reviews or from their ads.  I have been with some who will offer it in the midst of a session but I opt to cover and if neither of us have a cover, I will stick to other activities.  

I think there are a number of things a provider can do to discourage clients from seeking BBFS...first is to make sure their ads and websites are clear that they only do covered FS...using terms like open minded, GFE, fetish friendly, etc...will not be misinterpreted when "No BBFS" is clearly stated.  Also, checking out a client's reviews to see if they have been with an "accommodating" provider or claim to have done BBFS and avoiding them is another option. Finally, just say NO. Cliche maybe, but it should end the discussion. The thought of BBFS in the hobby disturbs some, clients and providers alike, but it will always be out there - and it is each individuals responsibility to deal with it.

I agree that GFE does not mean BBFS...but I have had protected sex with a gf for birth control purposes 😏

Of course that then becomes a marketing list for those providers who do offer BBFS...seems like a wash to me.

Open minded can mean different things to different people in different situation  at different times (agree with Jake on this).I was told by a lady that she also used the phrase to convey the message that she dates clients not by race, but on the  person you are.

Maybe they come from doctors because they have more experience and know that the risks are not as overblown as the general population has been led to believe. Use common sense, look for sores, stay away from needle users, and be prepared to suffer the consequences if something should happen.
Covered is safest, but uncovered is not the death sentence that some people would have you believe. Up until the late 70s and mid 80s, uncovered sex with providers was the norm. Some people got STDs, and treated them with antibiotics.

For the record, I have done BBFS many times and never caught anything, but I have given it up because the nervousness was not worth it for me.

I presume "dog piling" involves an up-charge?

Condoms suck, anyone who says that bareback is preferred because of the "fantasy" of the act is delusional. When I started using condoms I could barely feel anything during sex, I had trouble cumming and couldn't stay erect. The condoms would slide off too, depending on what I was using. I actually had to spend a lot of time and cash looking for a condom that both fits my penis well and doesn't rob too much of the sensation. I love bare sex, it feels better and makes cumming and staying erect easier, and quite frankly, it is a lot more fun unloading into a girl instead of into a glorified mini garbage bag.

That said of course I use them with escorts. This hobby is a serious STD risk and I've been with a couple of them who live seriously questionable lives. However I wouldn't necessarily avoid a girl who offers bareback, but I would have to consider asking for a CBJ and maybe not kiss them as additional precautions, even though I do love kissing.  

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Only one getting such requests. Must be your irresistible charisma.