Had an interesting discussion the other day in the chatroom.  Seems there are many guys who only post a review at a provider's request.

The guys in the chatroom said they would post rip off reviews, but refuse to post reviews for girls they had a good time with, in respect of their privacy.  One guy said, "I pay my $20 a month, and that's how I support TER."  Good thing all guys don't have that attitude, since he's using the resources without contributing to the material he makes use of.  That $20 is a pittance compared to the information made available, and if all of us did that, well, no more TER.

In my opinion, if a girl is controlling the quantity and content of her reviews, then those reviews become worthless from our point of view.

I wonder what other reviewers and contributors think about this?  The chatrooms are unreliable since they are nothing but rah-rahs for the girls who come into chat to solicit business.  C'mon guys, grow some ballz.  The implicit threat hanging over tha chatroom guys' heads was, "If you post a review, I'll never see you again."  Guess what?  You don't have to tell em a TER handle (I never do anymore).  I for one will fulfill my responsibility towards other TER member by posting a review so they can make informed decisions.

Before I get scorched over the inevitable flames, let me point out that this post is not meant to be us-guys vs. them-girls.  My point is, reviews are the lifeblood of this site, and we have a duty to post reviews, ESPECIALLY if she doesn't want them, not necessarily just rip offs.  If she don't like that, she can email Staff, have her reviews and profile pulled, and not participate in TER.  That's a choice.  Now let the flaming begin!

hmm...  good points here. why would a provider be afraid of a review, esp if it is a good one.  that is a lot of free advertising.  the point of only posting rip offs is doing the rest of this community a disservice.  i may only have afew reviews my self, i chose those vix based on reviews here.  those vix were happy i found out about them from TER.  now let the flames start (on me).

No flaming here. Posting reviews is the lifeblood of TER.
Readers, lurkers, and even Bonobos need to know
in order to have better vixen experiences.

I feel like I OWE TER to post because TER reviews have saved me a great deal of time and money, and provided much amusement.

Providers have no way of knowing who you are, especially if you change a few details that are not all that relevant to the experience, such as the month you saw her, what time of day or night, incall or out, general location of hotel, number of pops (LOL),
and whether your schlong was soooo huuuge that she just couldn't handle it! LOL. "She fainted at the sight of Mr Anaconda as I unrolled him from the fire hose rack I was carrying."

You should actually change a few details so LE could not prove it was you if Big Brother ever really goes beserk and Anthony Comstock comes back from the brain dead. Just don't tell us she swallows when she's mandatory covered, or we'll hunt you down!!

I think that reviews are great! I have this romantic’s view on the hobby.  I actually think that a session with a good provider (you know-the professional ones) can be real therapeutic as well as rewarding.  Rewarding too can be the effect of writing a good review on your physique.  Not withstanding, there are those providers that prefer not to have their sessions reviewed and go out of their way to ask clients not to post.  Some providers feel hobbyists are no better then jocks hanging out in the locker room talking about trim! ! ! !  While still, some hobbyist find reviews an invasion into their privacy.  What can you say, membership has its privileges and if you don't buy into the benefits of reviews then you don’t write them.  I agree with you, the last thing we should want around here is an us-vs-them mentality.

Peace

Joey

I am one who does not write reviews--I pay for my VIP status.  Since this site does require money to operate, if it weren't for the paying VIP's there would be as you say "well, no TER".  So don't down play the contribution myself and others who pay for membership make to this site.  And don't tell me it's my "duty" to do anything.

As far as this whole "providers manipulating their reviews" theme that keeps repeating itself on these boards I just don't believe it's really a big problem.  Yes it has happened (I once had a new provider tell me in chat that she would give a free session in exchange for a posted review) but there also have been hobbyists who've written fake reviews.  So which is really worse?

All in all I think this is much ado about nothing.

The reviews should be posted as unbiased and both good and bad reviews should be posted. I think it is the best advertising for a provider and she can always not be a part of TER if she wishes.

Members should have a "duty" to post reviews otherwise there would be no TER, the $20 does not generate the reviews that is the lifeblood of this site. Of course no reviews is better than fake reviews. Even if someone pays $20 if they do not contribute with reviews they should not be allowed membership.

I personally always write a review and almost always are very excellent reviews. But then again I chose the highest rated reviewed providers.

Thank you to all members who post reviews, it's greatly appreciated!!

No flames bigballz, but I disagree.  If a provider doesn't want reviews, I respect that.  There are thousands of reviews on thousands of providers on TER.  This is not an issue of the provider controlling the content and quantity of her reviews, it's showing respect for the provider as a person.  Just because she is being paid doesn't mean she shouldn't have the right to decide if she wants reviews or not, and by your attitude you really are making it a "us-guys vs. them-girls situation.  The ladies that request no reviews are few, and don't really impact TER or TER members one way or the other.  I also don't believe we "have a duty to post reviews".  We are all individuals and after we pay our money, we can choose to post or not post reviews.  I would be willing to bet that the percentage of members who write reviews is miniscule, yet there is a plethora of reviews on every type of provider.  This is supposed to be a fun thing, but some take it far too seriously.  Of course that's just my opinion.  Sedagive.

This isn't meant to flame you, but I'd like to say there are many reasons that I might not write a review.  I agree with the things Sedagive said, but would like to add just a couple of more observations.  

The majority of ladies I have seen are already pretty well-reviewed, & I've found their reviews to be for the most part pretty well on point.  I doubt than one more review basically repeating what others have said is really of little value to anyone.  If there weren't any recent reviews or if I fould there were something significantly different, I would write one.  If I had a poor experience it would obviously be written up to warn others, as would a good experience with a new gal or one who didn't have many reviews.  Those serve a purpose...the 40th, 50th, etc review usually don't.  As I also tend to see a few real favorites, no purpose would be served by my reviewing them every 6mos or so as I've seen some guys do.

I'd also say that IMO there are more ways of contributing to the TER community as a whole than merely writing reviews.  I find that some people who post fairly regularly on the discussion boards at times give me food for thought...& that's a good thing.

Thanks Sedagive.  I want to make one point in what you said tho.  "Just because she is being paid doesn't mean she shouldn't have the right to decide if she wants reviews or not".  I disagree with that statement.

She DOES have that right.  However, from what I've seen of Staff's policy, it's all or nothing, unless someone can give evidence that the review is false.

I would think a provider would rather have 10 good reviews up with her one bad review rather than lose all her reviews and profile here on TER.

Once again, I think this is a forum meant to be a tool for the guy rather than an advertising forum for girls.  And by not posting reviews, whether you think so or not, you are doing the rest of this community a disservice by denying us the information that you obviously used to get that experience in the first place.

Greywolf, what if they had NO reviews and asked you not to write one?  The majority seem to think, "only if I have a bad or ripoff experience".

This all came about because several guys were bragging up their experience with a no-profile provider with no reviews, I asked for an innocuous piece of info (her rate), and was told that was a private matter.  I can understand that, but they must realize that this forum is for the exchange of exactly that kind of info.  These guys are leeching off the work of others and reaping the benefits without any input themselves.  That's what gets my goat!

In the past month, I have had several women hint that a review would be appreciated.  I told them that I would not post due to the requirement of sharing too intimate information; they all agreed with me and did not push the issue.

I have had some incredible experiences recently, as well as a bad that was on this and a local board.  Unfortunately, any of the members will have to search the relavent board here or on other sites for that information.  I just got tired of meeting certain criteria to pass along information (speaking of which, I will be surprised if this post makes it to the board since my opinions are now moderated).

I am more than willing to share information, just not under the current rules of reviews.

DrX

PS I guess I spoke too soon; I am currently unmoderated.  Be careful reading, I may say something that is not approved.

-- Modified on 11/29/2002 11:28:40 PM

bigballz, I understand what you're saying.  My point of reference is the handful of excellent providers that prefer to have no reviews at all.  I can't imagine a well respected provider with lots of good reviews asking clients not to write one.  And while I agree that this is a forum for the guys, I also believe it is and should be a place for the providers to participate and drum up business.  I think if the ladies didn't frequent the chatrooms or post on the discussion boards, the guys would eventually lose interest.  Before I lost my review privileges (TER decided it could be construed as a conflict of interest because of my position at SouthCoast VIP, and I agree), I didn't write reviews of all the women I met.  However, I've always been willing to share information in a more private setting such as email or pm'ing in the chatroom.  Sometimes a public forum just isn't the right place to reveal what a provider might consider private information.  Sedagive.

I pay the monthly $20 and post reviews. I appreciate all the QUALITY info that I have read on TER. I feel that for all the info I have gained on TER - I should share info on ladies that I have seen. I do not even try to see anyone that is not reviewed.

In the past, I have not reviewed some ladies because they said that they did not want them. I do not listen to these ladies any more. I feel that info should be shared. Even though I never reviewed my ATF that I saw for 18 mos., but it was not even her pix on the agency ad and I continued seeing her after she left the agency & this biz. I just wished TER would not advertise - we do not need this community to get any bigger.

...I heard about what went on in the chat room the night you speak of.  You don't really have any righteous concerns about the overall philosophy and state of this site--all this babble about writing reviews and sharing information is just a cover story.  What you are really angry about is that you didn't get the info you wanted about this one particular provider.  I know who she is and she indeed is very discerning about who she gives her info to and who she sees.  What really bothers you is not whether everyone writes reviews but rather that some guys have seen her and you haven't.  The fact that, so far, the guys who have seen her have not given out the info she wishes to be kept quiet means that she has done a pretty good job of screening.  (Although the fact that they were bragging about it is a little immature.)  

Get over it.  BTW I can't help but notice you post under an alias and not your TER user name.  If it's so important that ALL info be shared here why don't you tell us all which providers you've seen and who you have reviewed?  Or is that too private?

You nailed it 2K1! I was also there and the concern of BigBallz was more of an interest in one particular lady, rather than the purpose of reviews on TER and what membership means. From what I understand, this particular lady has NO reviews, so she is not being picky and selecting only good reviews to be posted. She has done exactly what BigBallz mentioned, all or nothing. In this case, nothing has always been her choice. Dana

In fact the first provider profiled in TER is exactly that, a ROB:
http://theeroticreview.com/reviews/show.asp?id=1

It is nice to find well reviewed ladies using TER and enjoy a good time.  However, this is a free country.  It is to no one’s benefit to berate other’s refusal to post reviews.

Chat rooms are places to exchange ideas and have small talks.  They are not designed to provide reliable info and verifications.  The TER database and boards are more than enough to supply those functions.  If there is no review on a lady participated in the chat room, you can choose to take a pass.  Why insist on having other members give you the detail information?

--- stop being girl crazy; just content to be a spectator.

There have been a couple of unfortunate incidents happened recently in LA chat room. http://theeroticreview.com/msgBoard/ViewMsgBody.asp?BoardID=1&Page=10&Messageid=55680  Many members are on guard against providing info to total strangers.

As far as what is the proper contribution a member should make to TER, I will quote what I had written in the past: http://theeroticreview.com/msgBoard/ViewMsgBody.asp?BoardID=7&Messageid=7718

“I have been on the side of advocating review posting for a long while. However, ...” “Different persons have different views and sensibility.  It is better to take whatever form fellow members decided to contribute and thank those that you have benefited from their contributions, be they messages posted on the boards or reviews kept in the TER database.

I have posted 25+ reviews using my TER handles in the last 7 months.  When I decided to participate in the discussion boards, a decision was made to use an alias to post my messages so that my point of views are judged by its content and not be affected by reviews I have posted.  Doing so does present me with problem of credibility with regards to my knowledge of the ladies.  I understand that and have tried to use 3rd party info to illustrate my points.”

“I have been considering the question of what are the important contributions a member can give to the TER community.

My current answer is:

4. Posting messages on the board (Give advices and info to fellow members; and occasionally a thoughtful prospective on other matters)

3. Posting reviews.  (Provide road maps to fellow members on ladies)

2. Take One For The Team.  (IMO, exposing ROBs therefore helping fellow members to avoid them is the primary function of a review site)

1. Being a paid member.  (Without membership dues, TER will have problem providing the forum for all these wonderful services)”

--- Stop being girl crazy; just content to be a spectator.


-- Modified on 11/30/2002 4:04:20 AM

I always write a review, nowadays. UNLESS:  the provider asks me not to, and her service was as promised.  In other words, if the session was fun, and all services were provided as reported, I will not write one per her request.  This has happened a few times.  I usually don't ask why.

I was once asked by a provider, over dinner prior to "dessert", not to write a review.  Dinner was good, but "dessert" was awful, but I felt bound by my word not to report this.  She had no reviews posted anywhere (I guess this is the one I "took for the team").  I will now publicly thank Keanu for talking me out of this decision.  He explained, and I agree, that she had promised services that were not delivered and therefore I was not obliged to honor her wishes, and more bound to assist fellow TER members.  He was correct.

Insofar as reviews are concerned, they are my lifeblood in this hobby.  To date I've posted 40, and 38 of the 40 have been good experiences.  I owe this to the posting membership of TER.  I do my homework, and even if some reviews are hacked from others, the consistency is comforting.  And I believe that the plagerized reviews are few and far between.  It's just that there are just so many ways you can report and describe a BBBJ (unless you are the Lost Schlong!  LOL).

I agree.  Actually, I've stopped writing reviews altogether because, well, for one thing, I'm seeing one lady exclusively and she's not not taking new clients (not that I'd want to find new ones for her anyway, sorry -you know my story).  

For awhile I had concerns about LE using reviews as a means to target the ladies (not that I feared their being used as evidence -just anonymous hearsay, but it's hard to keep a low profile with a lot of reviews, especially reviews that indicate that she's a sure thing as far as making an arrest without having to perjure yourself).  I figure now, if they have ads on the net, they're not much concerned with a low profile anyway.

But even before that, I found no need to add just "one more" review to the pile if I had nothing new to report.  For example, I saw KoKo of Santa Monica, back in the pre-Mag(gie), etc., days when she was probably the most reviewed provider on this site.  Yes, she was very nice and did all the things everyone else said she would.  So nobody would have learned anything from my review they didn't know already.  What would be the point of writing one?  The value of a review is when the waters are largely uncharted.

...is that myself and others who have met her did not get her info from someone else--we got it directly from her.  I did not have to, as he says, "leech" info from someone else.  He's mad she doesn't give him her info and mad that we won't "tattle" on her.  But since I don't view the girls as commodities (as he clearly does) he stands an icecubes chance in hell of getting any info about her from me.  

-- Modified on 11/30/2002 12:00:48 PM

I wish more of my dates would post reviews but I feel awkward asking them to, like it's a big favor.  I always assume I will get reviewed by a guy and I want the review to be stellar, so I give my best. Reviews are terrific publicity if you're a good provider.
  -Vee

-- Modified on 11/30/2002 10:05:41 PM

How I would handle your "what if?" scenario would depend on a couple of vairiables...& let's again assume a satifactory experience.  

#1--If I knew in advance of seeing her that she wanted no reviews written, there is absolutely no question that I would honor her wishes...that is to me as much a given as making sure the donation is what it should be.  The promise of no review was pretty much a pre-condition of there being an encounter to begin with.  Once I give my word to someone I'm not about to go back on it unless they give me reason to do so.  

#2--If reviews had never been discussed in advance I would be inclined to write one unless I suspected (simply as a result of general conversation) that she might have a good reason for not wanting the additional exposure.  There can be reasons which are very important to the gal...family concerns, wanting to keep low volume, fears relating to LE, etc etc.  

In either of the above situations I might inquire if she minded me sharing of limited (not the locker room stuff) about her...but ONLY with guys I've known pretty well over a period of time--certainly not to relative strangers.  And while I seldom visit them, this would certainly not happen in a chat-room or similar atmosphere.  

My number one obligation is to myself & my integrity/honesty.  Number two is to the lady.  I don't view these gals as simply pieces of meat..they're people as much as you or I.  And obligation to my board bretheren does exist, but it's my third priority.  You or others may disagree with my thinking, & everyone has the right to their opinion as much as I have to mine.

THANK GOD for you guys...!!!! I'm a fairly new provider to TER, but have been in the industry for 8 years. After reading my first negative review, I was BUMMED for days. For the first time ever, I wanted to throw in the towel....At first I looked at what I could do to improve not only my service, but the screening process failure that had brought the unsatisfied client to my door in the first place. I've always taken pride in offering a quality service and as with most other, good, honest, caring providers, I get pleasure from giving pleasure. So if a client is displeased, it defeats the purpose, right..? After reading what you guys have written here, I now have have faith in the system. I understand now that most of you are able to read between the lines and see a reviewers "self-serving Fifteen minutes of fame" mentality. I also appreciate the respect that some of you have for the service we provide and see you are aware of the reviewers that don't.  I do have a couple of questions though....If you have a preference or dislike for a particular thing(tobacco breath,large breasts,small breasts,ass etc.) why not mention it during the screening proccess and save us both time and money.?? Also, why the sarcasam and hurtful name calling...? If a provider has been up-front and truthful before the session, I believe she deserves to be spared the locker-room digs and snide sophomoric humor(??) It does look as though most true Hobbists are able to see though those reviews a mile a way...for that I am greatful.!!! The negative reviews are becoming easier for me to deal with knowing you all are able to "consider the source" Thanks guys...I love you...You made my week.!!!  Robyn

Typical flame reaction here, I'd say.

Info I wanted?  I asked about a rate.  A rate!  Now, I don't know about you, but before I'll go to the trouble to see a provider, I want to know what her rate is.  I didn't ask for a description of activities, working name, phone number, or anything else that might be construed as private.  She said she needs references (which I said I can provide), but before I go to the trouble, I want to know what price range we're talking about.  Is that unreasonable?  I can't understand what purpose denying me that information has other than to demonstrate the preferred position of this guy with respect to that girl.  

Truth is, by seeing a provider with no track record I'd be violating my own self-imposed rules for this hobby.  So this appointment will never happen anyway, I won't book someone sight unseen.  Exchange of this sort of info is integral to the purpose of this site, as I've said before.

I also explained why I use an alias.  It's nobody's business what my TER handle is.  I write reviews for EVERY provider I see, without exception.  The fact that I've had so few negative experiences speaks to the quality of information to be had on TER.  I certainly don't want a provider to know who I am on this site, especially since it appears that providers will lash out at clients who post unwanted reviews.  Client screening means she will have much more of my personal information than the reverse.

Lastly, certainly none of this is meant to appear to be a slam on the provider in question.  I have no problem with her, and will not name her here, even though the guys in the LA chatroom certainly know who I mean.  She has treated me with nothing but respect and friendliness in the chatroom and I wish her well.

The only bad reviews a lady with integrity should get are from those with unsuited expectations.  If a lady doesn't want to be reviewed, all she has to do is contact TER.

I disagree that TER shouldn't be allowed to be visible in search engines.  It's good for the whole community that everyone have good experiences.  Those same newbies post reviews of ladies not found here, adding to YOUR database of delectable vixens along with scam alerts.  

Also, I think no-shows should be allowed to be posted as a review in a providers profile.  Some providers stack up dates with the full intent to cancel, no-show/no-call creating negativity with hobbyists waiting for hours for a date to never show up.  Posting a warning on a board doesn't really help.  Too many read the reviews and don't read the local boards.  

TER needs to have a 'lite' review that gives the basics:

Does the provider answer phone calls/emails in a professional manner?
Does the provider resemble the woman in website pictures?
Are the age, measurements, hair, tattoos, etc... accurate?
Does the provider supply the expected service at the agreed upon rate?
Is her incall in a safe location where you have a decent expectation of not getting killed or having your car stolen?

let`s get real about what really matters...interested in hearing what would be the short form for out-call,simple garden variety
commonsense is the MOST PURRFECT human quality....BIG hugs

If a provider doesn't want a review, I will respect that request if she is otherwise honorable. Trust and honor is much more important to me than the 15 days free VIP membership.

If a provider wants a review, I will write one. She will not dictate it, although I will include the retail price on the review. I've been around a long time and have never been afraid to negotiate, but I believe that's personal between the contracting parties.

When I look at the reviews of a provider I have interest in, I am as much looking at who reviewed her as well.  If there are 12 good reviews from guys that for me are total strangers, I would be more dubious than I might be for a provider with only 2 or 3, but from guys whose reviews I am familiar with and have demonstrated the consistencies that I look for.

But what bothers me the most, and what I wish TER had the ability to fix somehow, is the fact that the profile, which reflects the experience of the first reviewer only, is very often wrong or out-of-date in terms of a provider's basic services (ie-BBBJ vs. CBJ), sothat I do a search for a specific service many of the providers currently doing these services don;t show up because their profiles are inaccurate.  But that's an entirely new thread, I guess.

Gee, I guess since I was the person in the chat room you were so vehement with about this topic I could respond.

I wasn't going to tell you anything about her.  She doesn't have reviews, or a public site.  From what I can tell she cherry picks the people she chooses to see.  If she had been interested in seeing you, then you'd have found out all about her, including her rate.

From my perspective, you seemed on a rant and determined to force your viewpoint, no matter who or how many you had to run over or attempt to intimidate into giving you the information you were looking for.

I haven't, don't and won't write reviews about providers, and I've been a member of this site for a long time.  This is a personal choice I make, and whether you like it or not, it's still my decision to make.  I've had some of the women I've seen who have specifically asked me to write a review of them, and I politely refuse to do so.  I also respect that some of the providers make the choice to keep not only their reviews off, but their site information as well.  So long as this is working for them, and what they want to do with their services then who are you, I or anyone else to tell them or anyone that they should be doing differently?

After observing your bullying tactics, under a psuedonym no less, I'm not sure how you could expect anyone to give you any information.  And whining about it here isn't likely to garner you much support either.

If she desires one or she did not perfrom as promised. There are one or two very generous ladies who sort-of-work and do not want anyone to know unless they tell. Respect is required in a case like this. IMO

A chat room is more public than any conversation held in a crowded restuant, club or theatre. There is no way private information should be shared in a chatroom environment by a 3rd party. N0 WAY.

There is value to adding to a stack of reviews if the last review was over 90 days old. I think the providers want to ensure the hobbyist that the reviews being listed are current.
You may not need to add to details but making sure that the most recent review is posted ensures the hobbyist that the services offered have not changed..