paying up front is always a bad idea..there is no guarantee she will not flake or be late..if there is no real connection..then is a waste of time and money..not too many takers in this less than sweet deal..
I have seen this tried before and am curious what guys think of bulk package dates!
Example:
Girl is offering 1 (2 hr) date each week for 2 months, for an upfront price of 3000 [Worth 4000, you pay 375/2hr with package deal (regularly 500)]
1 (1 hr) date each week for 1 month, for an upfront price of 1000 [Worth 1200, you pay 250/1hr with package deal (regularly 300)]
Of course she is a well reviewed and trusted lady, one who will honor these appointments each week and not flake or be late or not have a location. This would not work on BP, or would it? lol.
Not many takers, since most guys can't guarantee their schedule will allow for the future dates to happen. These work in sugar daddy type deals, and I have a few. It is an agreed upon rate that is paid upfront, vs. an hourly discount, but still the same premise.
Seems a bit risky to me. The provider could run into some unforseen circumstances and have to retire, move, etc then you're out whatever you've paid. This just seems like the wrong type of service to "bulk pay" better to pay as you go.
I'm guessing this is considered a Fee Simple property. Are there any accomodations for Accelerated use? Also, is there any method where an escrow can be established?
As I said, very few takers. I do travel this way now, and it seems to work better in those cases. Say that 4 guys want a provider in D.C. but she won't make a trip without a guaranteed number of appts. Each guy pays x amount upfront, to get her there, and those guys get a discount where the rest have to pay full price. Since so many guys are afraid of being ripped off, it does not seem to be well received when many girls try it.
London, This one exception makes sense. Where 4-6 men pay to get you to their town for a discount. That's assuming, it's done right away and by credit card which is their guarantee for your arrival. There are at least 2 problems I see 1. is getting 6 men to go in on this together. Not because they're unwilling, but do you know that many men who know and trust each other?
#1 is petty compared to 2. 1 is Fear that five pay the one who charges everything and he cancels the charge and keeps their money.
The big problem! They are conspiring to transport a person across state or international lines for "any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense" Mann Act and the feds love putting in Conspiring to violate the law--bigger penalty. We have at least 2 people conspiring here.
Lady you better add a lawyer to that list, ahead of dentist. Prison has dentists. Bring a friend and your chargeable. You may have liability under this without the friend. The wording was changed in the new statute from "immoral act" to "criminal act"
Come to the Providers seminar on Criminal law, Security, Personal Security and how they really work. It will be in S.D. Everybody is worried about a local misdemeanor vice bust. Providers and hobbyist don't realize this is the electronic age and your treading on Federal felonies that are easier than ever to prove.
You can't cancel a money order once it has been cashed, and when the person cashing it has the receipt, they are the only ones who can report it stolen. You realize we are already breaking the law right? Most ANY situation where a provider travels to another area is considered a felony, including when she pays her own way to get there. I do happen to have a nice attorney that is treated well....several of them actually, so thanks but I know what I am doing.
Also, why would the men have to "trust each other?" They only know each other by board handle, not at hooters every Wed. night for drinks. If one backs out, no biggie. Trip is canceled and guys are refunded. It usually works best when only 2 guys foot the bill to be honest, because yes depending on six people all with jobs and families to come through, is not an easy task.
There is a group of guys in Florida who have been doing this for years through a yahoo group, and never had any issues, but I don't know the exact details about how they accomplish it. What I do know is they have never paid more than 250 for a provider to get there even if her rate was 400.
FYI, pretty stupid to be bitching about legalities when you're on a hooker board don't you think? I travel all the time on my own dime, and it's still a felony according to your Mann Act...what is your point? No one is forcing anyone to do anything here. We are all adults who know our risks Every time a provider travels to a guy, he pays her a deposit so that's the very same thing only it involves more people. I don't blame anyone for not wanting the added risk of course, but it is no different than taking a deposit and then flying to see a client. Which one of these people do you think is going to tell the FBI what they are doing lol. .
Posted By: aces8
London, This one exception makes sense. Where 4-6 men pay to get you to their town for a discount. That's assuming, it's done right away and by credit card which is their guarantee for your arrival. There are at least 2 problems I see 1. is getting 6 men to go in on this together. Not because they're unwilling, but do you know that many men who know and trust each other?
#1 is petty compared to 2. 1 is Fear that five pay the one who charges everything and he cancels the charge and keeps their money.
The big problem! They are conspiring to transport a person across state or international lines for "any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense" Mann Act and the feds love putting in Conspiring to violate the law--bigger penalty. We have at least 2 people conspiring here.
Lady you better add a lawyer to that list, ahead of dentist. Prison has dentists. Bring a friend and your chargeable. You may have liability under this without the friend. The wording was changed in the new statute from "immoral act" to "criminal act"
Come to the Providers seminar on Criminal law, Security, Personal Security and how they really work. It will be in S.D. Everybody is worried about a local misdemeanor vice bust. Providers and hobbyist don't realize this is the electronic age and your treading on Federal felonies that are easier than ever to prove.
with one of the DC area providers. She was offering such packages. She is now retired...
First of all, I would say that you have to trust the lady. You have to trust that she will honor the commitment and the provider the session with same enthusiasm after receiving the money up front. There are plenty of hobbyists that have been burned by ladies who would flake out after receiving money...
Second thing is that it also depends on your personality. Most people who have a monthly budget want to taste different pussies and not be with the same girl. Variety is what most people desire in this hobby. That is another reason most people would think twice from jumping into something like this with both their feet...
The provider who I was considering setting up this kind of arrangement with, was known to honor them. I had done my homework and PMed other hobbyists who were very happy with her when it came to the packaged deals. Too bad she is retired now...Any guy considering this should diligently do his homework.
paying up front is always a bad idea..there is no guarantee she will not flake or be late..if there is no real connection..then is a waste of time and money..not too many takers in this less than sweet deal..
paying up front is always a bad idea..there is no guarantee she will not flake or be late..if there is no real connection..then is a waste of time and money..not too many takers in this less than sweet deal..
NEVER pay up front for anything, or EVER loan a provider money either. NEVER EVER ! OR
Not every lady is a grab-cash-and-dash type of provider... I actually have a good reputation I want to uphold and prove that I am a respectful person when treated respectfully. I would never take advantage of a clients trust and risk loosing millions after the fact is made public. I say millions because I don't have a "retirement" schedule like some ladies, my time in the biz is expected to be at least 5-10 years (being 21 most guys can see how I wouldn't retire two weeks after offering the package.) and the amount I can make is not capped at some distant number.
But like others said, obviously do your homework first.
Posted By: BeenStrokin
Posted By: macdaddy1944
paying up front is always a bad idea..there is no guarantee she will not flake or be late..if there is no real connection..then is a waste of time and money..not too many takers in this less than sweet deal..
NEVER pay up front for anything, or EVER loan a provider money either. NEVER EVER ! OR
I have seen a number of providers disappear , some get arrested, some move for work, some have family issues or health issues and quit. Not worth the hassle. I'd be more interested in a provider giving you a free 2 hr BCD session for every 4th you've paid full price for. Same deal for the provider and the gent feels that he's getting a good deal, besides if she quits you don't feel robbed. I had a lady I was seeing when I was working in NYC (10yrs ago) and she would do a 2 hr dinner date OTC and 2 hrs desert for every $4000 in regular apts, even if it took a yr. I really enjoyed that but not sure if anyone does similar arrangements now.
I don't give any free dates, but I will do buy a 3 hour and get that for the 4 hour rate...something along those lines. I have SD type deals where we just work out an arrangement. He pays x amount of bills or in cash, and I see him once or twice a week. We are both happy, and these are men that live locally so it is easier to accomplish. Barter deals are even better. How many providers need dental and medical services, but don't want to pay? These are the best deals ever for me!
I don't want a guy paying my bills with his card, I'd rather get cash and pay them myself. I don't know if you meant this? I will, however, tell a guy if his gift is helping me do something else - IE a 2 hour date just bought me a brand new 2013 model bicycle, one that I will ride every day. I bought the bike, but it was his cash that helped me get it so it is sort of from him.
I had a sugar daddy once but then he went broke :/
I think I'm going to come up with a package that doesn't have to be like 4 dates within a month, but rather something like 4 dates upfront, you can use before the end of the year or later on a case by case basis (so their schedule can be flexible... like you said some guys don't have time each week). If for some reason he moved or I moved YES I would refund the funds he didn't spend! Although I probably will have already spent them, my emergency fund can cover these types of situations so NO ONE is high and dry.
A few of my regulars might be up for this (the ones that come biweekly), and that would allow me to get a car NOW while the weather is turning instead of waiting for graduation in May.
Thanks for all the input people.
Posted By: London Rayne
I don't give any free dates, but I will do buy a 3 hour and get that for the 4 hour rate...something along those lines. I have SD type deals where we just work out an arrangement. He pays x amount of bills or in cash, and I see him once or twice a week. We are both happy, and these are men that live locally so it is easier to accomplish. Barter deals are even better. How many providers need dental and medical services, but don't want to pay? These are the best deals ever for me!
meetings. I do mine monthly usually, and it's a win/win. No, Alista they don't use a credit card to pay the bills. It's just an agreed upon arrangement that if my cable and electric run about 400, that's what they pay for x amount of time. The barter deals have saved me thousands every year, so I would never stop doing that.
that kinda narrows the gene pool. I have advanced one girl some $$ on a couple of occasions and she came thru so and gave me a deal on her usual time so I guess I've done something similar already. The key was this was someone with whom I have a very good connection and have seen on a number of occasions prior to advancing fees. I am close to positive that there's no way in hell I'd do it with someone I was meeting for the first time!
being well-reviewed only gets you so far and "trusted" is a word that's never been tested until she has your money in her bank account. The simple fact is that sometimes life gets in the way when it comes to scheduling appointments. She has to cancel this week, you can't make it next week. The next thing you know it's been weeks or months trying to schedule an appointment that YOU already payed for. Next, she starts to give priority to guys who's money she doesn't already have since she has already spent yours and you, Mr. Payed-up-front, go on the back burner.
Up front would not be a good deal in this world for obvious reasons. This is just a thought but could similar results happen if the lady offered a gentleman something like a frequent flyer program with 2 (2hr) date for the 2 months as suggested by the OP? I'd be more inclined to a pay-as-you-go with the last one(s) either free or discounted knowing that it might not work if flakiness, retirement, etc gets involved. At least with that idea there is no up front and should either party reneg on the last one(s) at least one got what they paid for with minimal loss. There is a little incentive to make good on the deal with the chance to start it all over again once the last one(s) is over with, that being steady income for the provider and steady jollies for the hobbiest. What a country!!!!!
I have no idea if this holds water with anyone and perhaps it's already been tried but it's at least an idea hoping for the likelyhood of someone on either side being burned being a little less.
I'd want her to put in a Client Trust Account in a bank, just like your lawyer does. If the lawyer geta sick, dies or even if the bank fails the government and the Bar are good for it.
Providers are over elevated here. On the honest side, beside sickness, family problems of all kinds, death, a greater chance of each of these, they aren't the most stable. They can't be. Safety may require leaving at anytime. Now what about their need for money? They're going to take care paying customers b4 you when they are in a squeeze and that can happen to anybody for an unknown amount of time.
Look at it from a business perspective, your buying a commodity to be delivered in the future. This commodity isn't measurable as a risk/loss/time formula. It's a gamble and you're being offered awful odds.
And the bank, government or Bar association are not remotely responsible for this.
Simply put...anything along these lines is simply never going to happen with this illegal (oopps...did I just say illegal) business.
Bottom line...DON'T give a hooker money up front. Any more than you'd give your cousin Jane the money. Neither will pay you back LOL
But at least you might know where to find your cousin Jane
Posted By: aces8
I'd want her to put in a Client Trust Account in a bank, just like your lawyer does. If the lawyer geta sick, dies or even if the bank fails the government and the Bar are good for it.
Providers are over elevated here. On the honest side, beside sickness, family problems of all kinds, death, a greater chance of each of these, they aren't the most stable. They can't be. Safety may require leaving at anytime. Now what about their need for money? They're going to take care paying customers b4 you when they are in a squeeze and that can happen to anybody for an unknown amount of time.
Look at it from a business perspective, your buying a commodity to be delivered in the future. This commodity isn't measurable as a risk/loss/time formula. It's a gamble and you're being offered awful odds.
rate. If you don't care about a discount, then problem solved but it won't work both ways. I am not going to discount a guy just on his word that he "might" see me again 2 times that week. He can pay the upfront rate for discounted dates, or pay the full rate each time. Makes no difference to me either way. The guys I have such barter deals or arrangements with, know me enough to realize I am true to my word. If I broke my damn leg, I can assure you my mouth and vagina would still work lol.
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