Backpage,CityVibe,Eros,,,etc are great ways to build business clients. You must screen clients carefully. Due to Flippers/LE issues thats all. Once you know and have client data build a website,,,maybe even try to get work in a Brothel(Legal that is). Once you have the 10 -25 repeats and assured that no one is gonna flip? Treat them like Kings..invite them to join your site and use a Google phone. Do Not post your telephone number on your website,,,because you may recieve calls from Bad fruit or Officer Friendly...Good luck doll...BTW dont kiss and tell your details..I prefer to work outside of the USA..Americans and their crummy Laws..
But some guys on this board will pooh pooh Backpage and tell you it's all a bunch of garbage. There IS a lot of garbage on Backpage, for both providers and hobbyists, but the nuggets there are worth looking for in my opinion.
And there are enough verifiable guys who still use Backpage to make it worth advertising on there.
I'll copy what I wrote in a related thread below:
I still get the most response and the most business off of Backpage.
But, as a quality provider, I'm the one weeding through the garbage. I may get 5 to 10 responses from one ad and I just don't see any of them many times ("What's up?" is a deal breaker every time).
I just had a response last night from a guy who is on Preferred 411 and another local adult site we are both members of. I often get Date-check members, TER reviewers or white-listed members.
I don't know why they use Backpage when there are so many ads on these other sites where they are members, but they do. I even get verifiable travelers prebooking me weeks in advance by finding me with a Backpage ad, so it's not just because they are looking for someone "ready now" all the time.
I see other quality providers posting on there, too, many times amidst all the "$80 specials" and fake pics, so I know I'm not the only one who knows there are verifiable guys who still fish on there.
Convenience? Habit? I don't really care where they come from as long as I'm having a good time.
So, I suggest that you post on any and all ad boards you can, and if you aren't already booked, throw something up on Backpage and be prepared to get a lot of idiot questions and idiots period. It's a relief to finally find a verifiable guy in the muck. Here's what I learned (by asking) how they find us:
(I was waiting for my other comment to post on the other thread below so I could copy and paste what I wrote there)
"Yes, yes, yes... I don't know why guys complain about backpage so much when it's so easy to tell the fake ones from the quality/reviewed ones.
Often, you can just search the escort section with "TER." "review," "reviews," or "reviewed" to find them really fast (TER gets dropped off of my ads when when I put that on there; I've seen it elsewhere, but you better believe I have the other three search terms in my ads because I learned guys search that way)
Unless she is switching Trac phone numbers all the time, her reviews should pop right up without a lot of time searching just by googling the phone number in the ad.
I even use this trick when I am given a phone number and a name as a reference. If I can't find her reviews anywhere, she isn't a legitimate reference and googling the phone number is the fastest way to check."
I have had Guys phone one of my listed numbers ..As a member of the OLD SCHOOL..I have 3 phone numbers. One for repeat clients who have established themselves with me over the years. The second for Reference data that I always *67 or expose once I see the Lady in waiting has a Website. Verify the website has been around for min of two years. My 3rd is for general questions,bookings and to Play Monkey so I can Weed out LE,Flips,Back Stabbers/Trouble makers. As the Old School we must be smart not to fall for Fake references and certain risk that could endanger our lively hood. Not everyone is your Pal in this business...Get it?
.... in general but it how good or bad BP is can vary on your area also. IMHO the scam, bait & switch rate isn't much different than it's usually seen as higher end "opposite" Eros. IMO where you advertise doesn't really matter, not in the slightest .... what matter is you (the quality of your "product", etc).
According to your profile, you work in my city. I don't use backpage for the same reason I don't shop at garage sales. I'm simply not willing to spend hours looking for the one good item in a sea of shit. I probably let a good one get away and pay a little extra and I'm OK with that. My time has value too.
I agree with you and if I was a hobbyist I would feel the same way. I constantly see guys asking if girls are legitimate that they find on the site, so even if they do happen to find a gem it seems like it's hard to trust.
You may want to advertise once a week on back page that way you can weed though the numerous calls.
One reason I don't use back-page is because I see the same ads over and over again..posted daily.. So I tend to use the verifications sites like datecheck, preferred411, and the Boards to search for a suitable provider.
I've found some very nice ladies on bp. Right now, in the city I hope the most in, there are a number of top 100 ter ladies with ads on BP. Of course, some of the TER snobs will never want to see you if you advertise on BP. Oh well, to each his own. As others have mentioned, lots of "junk" on BP, but it doesn't take me to long to go thru the daily ads to find a lady I might be interested in. Just make sure you screen any BP respondants, just like you would any other inquiry
You have to spend some extra time to weed out the fakes. You get a good bang for the buck. I had 5 appointments this month and spent $1100. That is 6 hours (one 2 hour, four 1 hour appointments) for and average of $183/hour. If I saw $300/hour providers it would have cost me $1800 for 6 hours.
One chick with Blonde hair in her 30's has been on BP for months since April...I went to her website and it said Warning virus..How do you Not know that some site couldnt be LE ads? When girls are Snared who knows what they will do to avoid 30 days or 2 years probation?..Never trust reviews,website content because the same way teens hack and create bogus info. So can Officer Friendly,,How do you know that the girl is a Real provider? Those ref's dont mean nothing unless you see her face to face? A bold face Liar will find it hard to Pose in your face..versa over the phone... I aint trusting No one unless I I havent met her since 2005 or longer...
You may find some touring ladies in San Diego that have that 5 c note scale. Or an occasion a double for that rate. Its best to build a client list from BP,CityVibe, and 3 other quality sites that I wont mention. Once you have the client Black Book then go under ground.You may want to bring in another gal so when your sick someone can mingle with the flock.A really good book @ re[tirement can sell for 1,000's....Heidi Fleiss is a perfect resource...except she talked way Too much..
I have not used BP in a long time. However I have used it in the past before I was on TER.
Post an ad in TER and see how many hits your website gets in 24 hours, then post that same add in backpage and see the same thing. My experience was about a 50:1 ratio for BP. You can look at its national stats and its got HUGE numbers.
Huge numbers do not necessarily mean qualified clients, but if you get three hundred web hits, all you need is two legitimate hobbyists with references. Its all a matter of numbers. Once I posted an add in Las Vegas before I knew what I was really doing when I came out from UTR, I posted on a Friday afternoon and had over 800 distinct hits on my website by Sunday.
LE is very strong on BP, so I caution you. However if you think for a minute LE does not stick its nose in TER your fooling yourself. They are everywhere. But for absolute crushing volume BP is an 800 pound gorilla. Also there are just simply some rural areas where BP is or may be your only option. Please be careful.
Grace, I believe if you do a search on the newbie board you'll find a thread on this very subject. Seems to me a week or so ago a new provider asked pretty much the same question. The answers covered it pretty well. I couldn't begin to recount it here.
What turns you on in an add? Pictures What do you look for? Rates and other pertinent information. What do you avoid? Ads with lots of words and no real information. I see your pictures don't tell me how pretty you are. Give your stats so I can figure out if the pictures are hiding anything. If personality in the session is your best selling point then the the words should give real examples not over used generalizations. Also guys do remember ads of ladies they are considering so change your words from time to time so that each time they get more of the big picture. Its like a phone call where you only get to answer one question, it may take several calls to get all the information you need.
First I want to say I do use BackPage. But it isn't for everyone.
"What turns you on in an add? What do you look for?"
Four things:
1, Pictures- please show enough of you to tell if we want to book you or not. Postage stamp sized photos are not useful
2, Informative ads- I want information on reviews, contact information, and prices.
3, Personality- Put something that is you in your ad. There is a lady that puts a little story or quote on her TER ad. If she ever came to Utah I would book her in a second. Megan Erotic I am speaking about you. Love your ads.
4. Professionalism- Misspellings, grammar errors, and the like make me run away.* Also things like over use of symbols, and catchphrases like "its me or its free". Ladies that read like they can command money for more then there pussy are a real turn on.
"What do you avoid?"
1, Bad or no photo- Ladies with photos that too small, too poor of quality, over Photoshoped not get me to look into them. Face shots and nude shots aren't need but I need to see if I am even attracted to you. If I am not attracted I will click to the next ad in less then two seconds.
2, Uninformative ads- I spend the time to screen the ladies I see and if I have to hunt down what I need to start screening it reduces the chances I will do so. Kind of like email to you with out screening information go on back burner unless you really need the work.
3, Too good to be true- If it just doesn't seem to b legit I will move on.
4, Too much attitude- Things like putting down you completion, or being confrontational or combative is a big turn off to me. Yes hagglers are annoying but you ad isn't the best place to tell them off.
I posted a rant about it a while back. Link below if you want to read it. It goes into detail on what information I am looking for. it even in my last post has link to a good example of what I was talking about.
For everyone's viewing pleasure a photo from MPLStudios.com. Don't know the models name sorry.
The traffic and volume of providers to search on BP is like no other site. The eye candy is off the chain.I recently found that with hitting the link to view the ads in full versus brief speeds up filtering process and you can cover more pages faster.
Posted By: GraceBrighton
From what I'm hearing I think I will keep my distance.
BUT... I still have unanswered questions!
What turns you on in an add?
What do you look for?
What do you avoid?
what do you look for ? Turn on's full pictures in sexy pose usually showing off the ass..also boldly worded post that get the juices flowing...I can care less about something going into a story.
look for something listing prices, location, incall or outcall. Things that are off limit things. also reassurance that your picture is real since there is so much B&S going on. Also some reassurance of no up selling since that is a problem. most providers talk about specials to match other providers and then when you call them the story changes.
What to avoid? I get turned off when their picture or ad is listed way too much..listed every daily on BP and the same ad on other sites I listed..How effective can someone be when they are spreading themselves too thin or either have too much available time to post. Also try and avoid photos that don't look real or look like a model..you can usually tell this from the background or if it's too good to be that person.
I've occasionally checked out BP when I've been bored since there is always some eye candy and it can be a good laugh sometimes with some of the ads posted. However... If I can't find anything on the advertiser that is positive (such as good reviews on TER) or can somewhat verify them (such as them having their own site) then I'll move on. Honestly... it's been a really, really long time since I've taken a shot on a "newer" lady that I've found on BP or the former CL. (I'm always looking for new talent though..)
BP is loaded with bait and switch agencies in my neck of the woods which are generally easy to figure out. That's in my neck of the woods... where there are only 2 agencies that I can think of out of 100's that are not scams. (Haley's Private Collection and 100 Proof are the only two legitimate ones I know of and I don't think they would even consider advertising on BP.)
It's fine to advertise there and obviously after reading Reagan's post there is a big benefit to doing so. If I was a provider coming out from UTR... I would use it to build up some good reviews on TER and go from there. (You can certainly ask potential clients from BP if they are on TER and what their handle is or turn them on to it. Clients from BP may not be on TER just because they don't know about it.... so turn them on to TER and have them post their first review.... of you.)
Second... I don't think the majority of providers realize how much it matters to participate in a positive manner on the discussion boards. Simple little things that attract our attention and make us take a closer look. I've honestly set things up and seen more then one provider after a cute comment to one of my stupid posts or a nice/sassy/cute comment on somebody else's post after checking them out and seeing something I liked. Every time I have set something up going this route... it's always been a really, really good experience. In fact... my highest rated experience came from a provider who had a really entertaining comment to one of my posts. Somebody I probably would not have seen otherwise...
Hell... I just checked out you and Reagan....
I'm not sure what the quality of clients you are going to get from BP since I'm not a provider.... I would think that you are going to get the more experienced and higher quality clients from TER and P411.
Well.... I like to think that I'm a higher quality client then your typical BP user anyways.... LOL!
Just my thoughts on the whole BP thing...
Posted By: ReaganMoore
I have not used BP in a long time. However I have used it in the past before I was on TER.
Post an ad in TER and see how many hits your website gets in 24 hours, then post that same add in backpage and see the same thing. My experience was about a 50:1 ratio for BP. You can look at its national stats and its got HUGE numbers.
Huge numbers do not necessarily mean qualified clients, but if you get three hundred web hits, all you need is two legitimate hobbyists with references. Its all a matter of numbers. Once I posted an add in Las Vegas before I knew what I was really doing when I came out from UTR, I posted on a Friday afternoon and had over 800 distinct hits on my website by Sunday.
LE is very strong on BP, so I caution you. However if you think for a minute LE does not stick its nose in TER your fooling yourself. They are everywhere. But for absolute crushing volume BP is an 800 pound gorilla. Also there are just simply some rural areas where BP is or may be your only option. Please be careful.
Your 100% on target. The quality of clients is often vastly different. And as the saying goes sometimes you find a diamond in the rough, it applies to both provider and client.
I did EXACTLY as you mentioned. I posted locally and in Vegas to get my first reviews. But I went through a million responses. Honestly, I learned more the hard way than I should have. But I also had a few incredibly astute hobbyists actually take me under their informative wings and point me in the correct direction. And for that I will never forget them and hold them special in my heart and mind. These guys read the boards often, you know who you are and kisses to you as always.
BP has its drawbacks. But if your looking for sheer numerical hits to review and respond to, there is no other site like it. The response rate is a factor of 20 larger, though the quality is often that same factor lower.
Then they check TER for reviews before making contact.
I run into them all the time. I just had a guy the night before last answer my Backpage ad who was from P411 with 11okays. It just simply isn't all or nothing (only non-verifiable or verifiable), there's just more garbage you have to weed through on the provider side just as there is on the client side.
If I was booked solid from other sources, I wouldn't advertise on Backpage at all because you are more above the radar. But, because of the sheer numbers, it is a great way to find a same day date when you have an empty time slot. Advertise everywhere you can!
Posted By: Drunk_LasVegas_Tour_Guide
.... I'm not sure what the quality of clients you are going to get from BP since I'm not a provider.... I would think that you are going to get the more experienced and higher quality clients from TER and P411.
Well.... I like to think that I'm a higher quality client then your typical BP user anyways.... LOL!
Just my thoughts on the whole BP thing...
Posted By: ReaganMoore
I have not used BP in a long time. However I have used it in the past before I was on TER.
Post an ad in TER and see how many hits your website gets in 24 hours, then post that same add in backpage and see the same thing. My experience was about a 50:1 ratio for BP. You can look at its national stats and its got HUGE numbers.
Huge numbers do not necessarily mean qualified clients, but if you get three hundred web hits, all you need is two legitimate hobbyists with references. Its all a matter of numbers. Once I posted an add in Las Vegas before I knew what I was really doing when I came out from UTR, I posted on a Friday afternoon and had over 800 distinct hits on my website by Sunday.
LE is very strong on BP, so I caution you. However if you think for a minute LE does not stick its nose in TER your fooling yourself. They are everywhere. But for absolute crushing volume BP is an 800 pound gorilla. Also there are just simply some rural areas where BP is or may be your only option. Please be careful.
Seeing that there are so may Legal dramas this Month...I avoid public sites all together. Most of my S ister Ref's live in Canada,,,to evade the silly American dramas. Now you must never back stab a Sister in arms. Therefore she will come to your rescue to Alert you of a Not so safe individual,,Scratchy Offender....You may lose a client here in there,,Males are fickle. So always reach out to their Co-horts. Men like these who are above LE...Caviar is always better than Tuna fish...
So, I download the BP mobile app and cruising around, looked great, its convenient cause it shows the pic of the girl before I even click on it. However, it does not synchronize with the website. For example, after viewing the mobile app on my iphone, I've seen all of the providers available. Then, for some curiosity, I check the BP ads on my computer, and there were many ads that I saw that wasn't on my iphone. Can u believe that? WTH, anyways, now you guys know.
Backpage,CityVibe,Eros,,,etc are great ways to build business clients. You must screen clients carefully. Due to Flippers/LE issues thats all. Once you know and have client data build a website,,,maybe even try to get work in a Brothel(Legal that is). Once you have the 10 -25 repeats and assured that no one is gonna flip? Treat them like Kings..invite them to join your site and use a Google phone. Do Not post your telephone number on your website,,,because you may recieve calls from Bad fruit or Officer Friendly...Good luck doll...BTW dont kiss and tell your details..I prefer to work outside of the USA..Americans and their crummy Laws..
I stay put on one board at a time . I have always felt that BP is a glorified CL and only a matter of time before it winds up with a lawsuit just like CL did.
If the board has members who pay into it , like here like CV ,RS2K or Euros that should be plenty to utilize.
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