I'm curious to get different perspectives on this and share why I choose to offer BBBJ. For context, I'm considered high-end for the small, but noted college town I live in. Virtually all of my clients are upper-middle class, married and middle age. I told my lady doctor that I had multiple partners and felt weird using condoms for oral sex as I didn't know ANYBODY who did. My civilian friends are educated, 20something yuppies use them- not even for one night stands with random people they meet at bars. The doctor said that the main risks for unprotected oral are HPV and herpes. I have HPV (warts were removed years before I started providing) and am resigned to the fact that providing (or even just reg. promiscuity) is like playing russian roulette. However, condoms offer VERY LITTLE protection against these since they usually don't fully cover the infected area. I asked if avoiding having somebody cum in my mouth would help prevent syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia, and was told yes, it helps reduce the risk more so. Now, for HIV: There isn't 1 recorded case of HIV being passed through oral sex (!) compare that with 15% of syphilis cases being spread though oral sex. During the AIDS epidemic, condoms for oral was pushed really hard, but research has shown the possibility of spreading HIV through oral sex is extremely low, like .001% low. Never the less, I still carry flavored condoms just in case I have a cut on my mouth of something. I rinse my mouth out with Listerine after sessions. I know I'm taking more risks by offering BBBJ, but frankly feel providing is risky to our sexual health by nature. I'm doing what I can to keep myself safe, while making the clients happy. One final note, I completely RESPECT that a fair amount of providers are not cool with BBBJ. There are items I leave off the menu (Greek, more than 1 guy, etc.) bc I'm not comfortable with it and know I would not enjoy it. Guys, you'll have a much better session if you respect the provider and her boundaries. TL/DR: CBJs offer very little protection against the most common stds from oral (HPV & herp), not allowing CIM helps mitigate the risk of other STIs, the risk of HIV is virtually non-existent (i.e. you would be the 1st recorded case of an oral transfer), and I like to keep my clients happy. Providing is risky by nature.
I do it because I can't fk worth a damn lol, but I also have no diseases. Not sure if I read your post right, but if you STILL have HPV or any type of transmittable virus, infection etc. I would never advise doing ANYTHING unprotected in this business, because you are exposing men to that who don't know you have it. Condoms still provide a barrier between fluids, which is why so many of us use them for sex.
I think she is saying her HPV was vaginal, not in her mouth but I could be wrong.
Had vaginal HPV but haven't had symptoms (i.e. genital warts, abnormal pap smears) for 5+ years before I started escorting. I contracted HPV when I was still a virgin since it's so easy to transfer from skin-to-skin. I received all 3-rounds of the Gardasil vaccinations, which protect against the most common/dangerous stains.
According to the CDC, "HPV is so common that nearly all sexually-active men and women get it at some point in their lives. This is true even for people who only have sex with one person in their lifetime." My gyno says that 95% of clients have had HPV at some point.
I was under the impression that if you have HPV, you can never be certain that it goes away. It will clear in 90% of people, but you can never be certain that it's gone away.
Ok...thanks for clearing that up. I just assumed if you actually had WARTS as you said in your OP, that they could come back later on even with treatment. It's one of those things that are unpredictable and no one knows 100 percent, I guess.
HPV like Herpes is forever and can be transmitted skin to skin.
If you now have a STD you will have forever its time to turn in your stillettos baby.
You are seeing unsuspecting men married or not and theres a chance you can pass that on.
IMO that's BS very selfish of you.
From the CDC "HPV is so common that nearly all sexually-active men and women get it at some point in their lives. This is true even for people who only have sex with one person in their lifetime."
My gyno said that about 95% of women had/have HPV. I am sure this statistic is true for providers as well.
I'm just honest about it.
That you have hpv...
I disclosed to my agency when I first joined them that I had genital warts over 5 years earlier, but hadn't had any since, had normal pap smears, and had received the gardasil vaccinations. They thanked me for my honesty, asked me if I had a history of any other STDs (I haven't) and said it was fine. They said that if they screened for HPV history, there would be no girls working.
They said to test regularly, keep an eye on things, and, should anything ever happen, get treated.
Agency books my appointments, so I don't know what they tell the clients. If a client were to ask me about my sexual history, I'd disclose. But it hasn't happened yet. I'm not dishonest, but I'm also a business woma
If you now have a STD you will have forever its time to turn in your stillettos baby.
You are seeing unsuspecting men married or not and theres a chance you can pass that on.
IMO that's BS very selfish of you.
Well, Greek is my favorite sex and two of my three ATFs don't offer it to anybody, under any circumstances. BBBJ my 2nd favorite sex, and one of the three ATFs doesn't offer Greek AND only offers CBJ. She is still one of my ATFs, though, as the intimacy that she delivers is unparalled in my entire sexual experience. So, there are guys who can and will look past these things but also many more who will not. I would have missed out the most intimate experiences of my life had a rejected her for the lack of acronyms.
That said, reality is that it would be almost impossible for a new-to-me provider to convince me to see her if BOTH Greek and BBBJ were off the menu, it just goes too far against the GFE experience that has spoiled me and too far towards BackPage experiences which are much less expensive to obtain. Guess my point is that the BBBJ is pretty much necessary from a marketing standpoint, especially absent the Greek, given that I already have a provider who doesn't offer either
I don't know how GFe gets so blown out of proportion in some pls minds but Greek facials com swallowing these do not define GFE these are more PSE.
I know its all loosly opinion based but a GFE experience is the additude the intimacy not if she swallows your jizz.
I found this supporting your repl
Yeppers...health care gurus unite lol.
You would have to do the voice for the opening of the series.
The adventures of Maaagic Meeedic and BPM, crusaders against the EVIL VD.
MM
eidted cause that's what I meant to say, so fk off! lol
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oh and I'm almost drunk, so mistakes get made at this stage haha
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refused to get in the pool, so we headed to warmer places.
MM
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I will tell you though, my koolaid probably has a hint of Crown Royal in it. I have hit it heavy the last few days.
MM
well you got those pictures of me, didn't you? Did that make you thirsty?
Crown Royal makes it all taste better, forget the pineapples... that doesn't make it sweeter.
about to hit the Crown again in a little bit.
I don't think pineapple and Crown would be as kind on my palate. I have a good friend that makes it for me with just ice and lemon and is pretty good.
well the pictures, my my my
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I clicked on that link, though I've been there before.
Didn't find any "documented cases" of HIV transmission through oral sex.
Just the CDC telling us "well, it might happen so don't do it".
I do know of one documented case of HIV transmission through insertive oral sex.
He got bit. She was an HIV street prostitute junkie who bit him when he tried to fuck her throat.
What exactly is a "documented case" anyway? You take an HIV positive woman and get her to blow a bunch of guys in the lab, then see how many convert the virus?
The CDC is a worthless site for STD information. They are paternalistic and unscientific, concerned with telling people what to do rather than giving them the information and letting them decide for themselves.
Follow this link for the truth about HIV/oral sex "documentation".
Read it again. They say:
"There have been a few cases of HIV transmission from performing oral sex on a person infected with HIV."
There is no "might" or ambiguity in that sentence. Now if your point is that it is VERY, VERY rare, as to be almost of no concern, that is a different argument.
Yes, I read that. Where is the link to the actual case studies? And, yes, there is ambiguity; are they talking about "reported" cases or "documented" cases? (read the info from The Body in my link).
In ANY reputable study, ANY time a statement like that is made, there is a citation from the actual case to document that assertion. The CDC never does that, because, as I said before, they think they are above offering proof, and think they can just make a statement and people will accept it as true. Apparently, they are right.
Seriously? Who else could make this statement without offering any proof:
"There have been a few cases of HIV transmission from performing oral sex on a person infected with HIV."
and have you say, "oh, it must be true then".
Actually, it is not "documented" which is the only misinformation. The CDC is more CONSERVATIVE about infection because they have to be. I would rather be safe than sorry. Before now, we thought HIV had a shorter dormant stage and now look...can take up to 6 months. We also thought it could not be transmitted by a variety of means, and we were wrong. Fact is, these diseases come back bigger and badder each and every time. I would not be doing shit if I knew for a fact a guy had something.
Quote :
Whether a case is "documented" or not depends on the definition. But I agree with Dr. Cummings -- to my knowledge, there has never been an unequivocally documented oral to penile transmission.
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/HIV---Prevention/HIV-Transmission-from-Unprotected-Oral/show/1375117
The link I sent is from the foremost site on HIV research in the country. I didn't bother to search around for the newest quote, but the information is there if you want to look. And anyway, the link is not about current research, the important thing I was trying to convey is the info about "reported" cases vs. "documented" cases.
True, and the reason it is so hard to document is because rarely does a person ONLY have oral sex without having regular sex. It is nearly impossible to predict WHERE the virus entered the body, so there are no 'documented' cases, but still. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to interpret that if it's transmitted through "bodily fluids and blood" that oral is a means of transmission.
It is so easy to get a cut in your mouth. Even if you bite your lip, a chip cuts you, or you just flossed, all of those things lead to open wounds and minor abrasions, that make the area vulnerable. It is easier to contract if you are the one GIVING the oral, than if you are getting it, though. I think the bottom line is if you KNOW you have a disease, you should go above and beyond on the protection side.
I met a woman during training to do HIV testing that believes she got HIV from oral sex with her male partner. He was infected and did not tell her. They were using condoms every time for intercourse to prevent pregnancy, but she would blow him without condoms. Could she have possibly got it from something other then oral contact with him? Maybe...but the likelihood from the behavior is it came from performing oral sex, repeatedly, with an infected partner.
Knowing "how" or when the exact moment infection happened cannot always be determined. Sometimes multiple types of risky behavior are involved, so the highest risk behavior is going to be determined to be the gateway, whether that is true or not.
What act
What fluids
How much fluid
How long of contact w/ fluids
These are the questions that help assess risk and possible infection. People will spin things wherever they need to in order to justify their own behavior...that's human nature. We are all adults, and will choose to believe what we want, take calculated risks, and face possible consequences if we chose wrong. Such is life... 
But I have met a live person that states she got HIV from oral, so even if those stats are low, I choose to believe that is possible, and take that into consideration when I am having sex with someone that I am not fluid bonded with.
Only 5 of 57,900,000 people who've contracted HIV/AIDS (36.1 million living & 21,800,000 who have passed) allegedly did so through oral sex (or %0.00000863557 of cases). I would bet my life (pun intended) that most if not all of these peoples had ulcers or cavities at the time of transmission.
The largest study to date on HIV oral transmission profiled +20,000 cases of without a condom (passive and non-passive with an HIV+ partner) and did not find 1 (del Romero J et al., AIDS. 2002).
I don't think it's a stretch to say the risk of contracting HIV through performing BBBJs is virtually non-existent.
Though I can't /won't do without DATY, HPV is the leading cause of mouth cancers in men.
I'm not giving it up either I love it way too much.
MM
The title of this article is " MY GIRLFRIEND FOUND OUT THAT SHE HAS HPV "
HPV, which stands for human papillomavirus, is the most common sexually transmitted infection and is passed on through genital contact. There are over 100 types of HPV. The most common types causing genital warts are types 6 and 11, and for cervical cancer, types 16 and 18. What most people do not realize is that HPV usually has no signs or symptoms, so those who are infected may not know that they have it and may not realize that they are passing it on.
Although your girlfriend was diagnosed with HPV and you may have already contracted it, both of you can still be vaccinated. The vaccine protects you against more than just one type of HPV. Make an appointment to see if you are eligible for a vaccination to protect yourself and prevent the potential spread of the infection.
The good news about HPV is that for nine out of ten people who are diagnosed, the infection will clear within two years. Most people with HPV do not develop any further health problems as a result of the diagnosis, but sometimes these infections do not clear and can cause genital warts, warts in the throat in rare cases, and cervical cancer in females or penile cancer in males. Although there are no treatments for HPV, fortunately, there are treatments for these conditions.
If you have questions about an HPV diagnosis and what it means for you, make an appointment for a doctor’s visit together.
You must have watched that same episode of "Private Practice" I did the other night where the dude got throat cancer from DATY on his partner with HPV.
Haven't personally looked it up to see if it's true myself.
was the most known cancer resulting from HPV, not throat cancer lol.
Cervical cancer in women. Oral cancers in men. Must be some connection.
No, it is very true. And according to the website I linked to, if the trend continues, there will be more cases of throat cancer caused by the HPV virus, than cervical cancer caused by the virus.
Haven't personally looked it up to see if it's true myself.
Bbbj may be relatively safe but what if you have a teeth scraper
Cudos to you for working through your own way to justify doing "what you do!" Obviously you could not have expected to post this and expect the peanut gallery to not comment with their own "Expertise." I offer NOTHING with respect to the CDC, NIH or other sources of "scientific information." If you read through the comments you should come to the conclusions:
* Scientific knowledge is subject to change - try to keep up to date.
* Scientists (MD scientists as well) - are VERY OFTEN OUTRIGHT WRONG!
* As stated by one - the CDC is conservative by its very nature (rather be wrong than sorry)
* Each person - should make their own decisions about where the "risk" line is - take cigarrette
smoking for example - there are some forms of lung cancer which occur only in smokers! its like
Russian Roulette.
* Science is not precise. There are folks resistant to the HIV virus (somewhat rare, but the exist)
and some resistance is mediated through specific CCR receptors. This should not be taken as a
license to have unprotected full insertion sex, however, it is a tool to investigate drugs which may
help control the infection.
Having said all that, it is good that everyone set their own risk level and keep in mind that others will act in a similar manner - but that their acceptable risk level may not be the same as yours, and their set of information upon which that risk level is based also may not be the same as yours
Thank you for this thoughtful and articulate reply. I agree with all of your conclusions. Have a wonderful day, Mr. Superdude!
(disclaimer: heavy sarcasm)
Those who:
1) Are well-reviewed themselves or only see well-reviewed girls
2) Charge high rates and/or say they are low-volume, or book girls who do the same
3) Work at a reputable agency or book girls who do
4) See only 'upscale' girls or men
5) Swear they are clean
7) Don't do BBFS
8) Don't do Greek
9) Don't see [insert stereotype group here]
10) Wear condoms (still can get an STD w/condoms used for all activities)