and still sleeps with you.  Otherwise you're still a client... probably her favorite client but still a client.  

As long as she is charging you, her feelings will always be suspect. If OTOH she stops charging you, starts cutting her other appointments short to be with you, and starts making excuses to be with you instead of being on paid dates, then most likely her feelings are genuine.

and yes this can happen. but more often she is just really, really good at her job, and that's when the lines get blurry.

What if money doesn't sell?  Is Fungy spelling 'here' as 'her' and calling everyone shit heads fair?  

Sounds like you've met a gal you really like and have fallen for the fantasy.  Don't. As I've said, I've gotten lots of OTC time from girls but still always pay for the session itself.  That's a boundary that should only be crossed with great care.
But, no, I've never had a session where "dinner/drinks" were better than the sex.  If that's the case, I guess the sex wasn't that great.  Or, if you like dinner and drinks more, then you really have fallen for the fantasy.

Turns out Fungy's suffering from a dread disease: acyrologia.

Love is free my friends, but sex will always cost you.

Never would've happened though without the envelope.

My feeling is that you need to compartmentalize - just like she does.  A wonderful time - and done.... till next time.  If she really does fall for you - SHE will take the money off the table.   Presumably, she's not an idiot - she knows that the money is a barrier to an actual relationship.   The women I have talked to USE that to compartmentalize.  Until that happens - assume that it's business.  Nothing YOU can do will change that - so don't worry, be happy..... enjoy

Women may be inscrutable in some ways but if a provider is interested in dating you then she will let you know.  They're human too.

normal clients didn't buy sex? what if normal clients didn't have any money to hobby?  

1. You stop paying her (as others said)
2. You start hearing the real sh-t about her life- not all roses
3. You can still get her to spend more, not less time with you.  
Then, your feelings are not betraying you...to kickass marketing.

We get bored, and we also tend to want to hang out with people who are interesting.  

Compartmentalizing is important.  And you will definitely seem creepy to her if you try to be more than a friend.  I've got a good handful of provider friends.  But I haven't tried to move beyond the friendship and prefer to maintain the boundary of the envelope.

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think that we are dating when we are just friends and nothing more...   lol

I have had many LTR's with many different providers, obviously all of them ended for one reason or another, but never in any of the "real" relationships did either of us ever stoop to the "well you are just a hooker/john" accusation, no matter how pissed we got at each other.

Aside from that, I agree completely with the rest of your post.

What if drugs for manic depressions didn't sell?   Can we just have sex with a provider to relax and get thereputic treatments for depression?  

Oops looks like your rock hard penis is limping now lol

but now it looks like he is the original and you are the cheap copy. He doesn't really pull this "Great American Hobbyist" crap off very well either, but he does it better than you.

I think you should find yourself a new schtick, as DA has stolen yours and the copy is quite frankly better than the original. I guess you could sue him for trademark infringement, I would suggest you hire mr "still not a lawyer" fiser to represent you, his fees are quite reasonable.

Here he comments on being the "world traveler hobbyist"...but I do recall that somewhere he was also the "worlds greatest hobbyist".

While I don't really believe that he actually went to many of the places he claimed to have, except maybe TJ, he did get enough things right to at least have a very good friend that had.

and yes I know, the thought of UDon't having a friend is a bit mind boggling in and of itself. lol

when I was gone for a while

There is one woman who I love being with. Am I "in love?" No, been in love, this ain't that. And the idiom of being in love is strange to begin with. I think it affects how people view man/woman relationships in a very destructive way. The media and even religion kept this nonsense alive for well over a century, so it's stuck.

a World Class Hobbyist, for his exploits South of the Border and in the Far East, spreading his seed and collecting diseases to give to his bride.

But I seem to recall that as well.

...Hear what one of them told her best provider friend during those arguments.( I did twice.)

I will confess I did have a few LTR's, rather short LTR's I will admit (Kind of like Jumbo Shrimp) that ended because I realized I was still nothing but a client. Maybe her only client, but a client none the less, and those conversations went rather predictably.

I just like to help people, just the way I am. It was hell on me to not call the ladies I have met after the ice storms we had. It broke my heart to find out that their power was out for days. But I didn't call. This community demands that I not reach out to people that I normally would but so be it. I can't expect providers to believe that my offers would be NSA. So I too compartmentalize. Hope Carolina is good to you!

I occasionally have OTC time with providers I see, but i know what the relationship is and is not because we've talked openly about it. The boundaries were clear from the start. It sounds to me like you don't know what the boundaries are in the relationship because you haven't discussed it. I remember the first time a provider suggested we go to lunch on a day I wasn't booking her and I was like really? That led to us having the whole discussion about OTC time....after that discussion it was clear that she just enjoyed our conversations and looked at me as a friend. So I treat OTC lunches and dinners like a bonus and get a boost knowing that some hot chick wants to spend time with me OTC. Plus you gain a friend.  The fact is there are quite a few providers that see clients OTC. Be careful not to misinterpret what's going on here.

Question: so on a day when you have some OTC time like a lunch or dinner is that the end of it for that day or does anything else happen for which a donation is expected?

All the OTC time I have had has been impromptu and not on a day when I would book or am available for a session but if we did have a session after you can bet your ass I would pay, and that's because we are clear on what OTC entails. For the lunch or dinner I always pay and I would assume is expected although I've never asked. The gentlemen in me tells me to pay anyway.