Not looking to get BASHED here hence the alias..... But with so many providers offering specials is it disrespectful to ASK if a provider will offer a special?  No disrespect is meant... just an honest question.  

Also, if a provider gives you a special and then believes you saw another provider at a higher rate... should she get pissed? Thoughts...???

Question 1: I wouldn't ask but I guess you can...

Question 2: No provider should get pissed-off about anything that you do outside of the time that the two of you spend together. Does that mean they won't? Lol, it depends on the lady...

If a provider wanted to offer a special, she'd offer a special. Most ladies are doing it, so it wouldn't be difficult for her to take that route as well. The fact that she has made a conscious decision to NOT offer specials when so many ladies are doing so should tell you that it's probably not of interest to her, and that she is still able to see clients at her non-special rates. So instead of disrespecting her, consider contacting one of the many providers who are offering specials.

Of course some ladies wouldn't find your actions rude, but I think a large percentage would, especially if they value manners.

Good luck.

I suppose it wouldn't be disrespectful if you couched your question this way:

"Hi Sweetie, I was wondering if you have a special going this week."  This way you're asking for info on what she might be running and not asking for something exclusive for yourself.

You go to the super market and notice the strawberries you love at $2.49 a pint. Would it be okay to summon the store manager over and ask; “Is there perhaps a special on the strawberries this week?”

Get the picture? Asking for specials if they are not already advertised is in poor taste no matter how you phrase it. IMHO

Woild it not be ok to call your local store and ask if they planned on having any specials in the coming week???

That is all more along the lines of calling a provider and asking if she has any specials in the works. To compare analogies, your's would be more along the lines of showing up at a providers door and asking if she will offer you a discount.

Truth be told, I can't believe that providers have managed to convince their customers that asking for a discount is somehow "disrespectful". This seems to be the only business where the purveyor of services seems to be able to set the rules of behavior and dictate to her clients how, when and how much she is to be paid and any deviation from her "rules" will end up with the client being denied said services. You really have to give credit to the womed of this country for how thorough a job of emasculating the men of this country

To save a few bucks and simultaneously drag the encounter into the realm of ordering a pizza?

For me dealing with the donation is something that is handled as subtly as possible, never discussed, and the donation left as discretely as possible.  I'm looking for a fantasy of intimacy, not two deep dish Supremes for the price of one.  

My .02

MVR

Until then...I'll just say if you want firsthand experience, men do sell sex too. After sucking a few d**** for money, I'd love you to report back to the board on whether or not you think the consumers (men you've been sucking) or you should determine what is and is not appropriate in terms of discounts and rates in this particular illegal business.

I dare you to be a male prostitute to men for one week! And then let me know your perspective on the matter.

No need to delay, start posting ads today!! http://minneapolis.backpage.com/MaleEscorts/

Ciao!

By the way, to those who are concerned, I'm not disrespecting GG. I'm just saying that sometimes it's easier to understand something when you walk the walk or have the particular experience you are discussing. This goes for all of us.

Have a great week everyone!

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I love to bargain, but this is one area of my life that I don't even try. I just wait until
a lady I want to see has a special. And today, many of them do.

There is no amount of money to get me to "suck a dick" as I am heterosexual and I find the concept revolting. Sex between a man and a woman is something that most of us find "normal", so a better analogy would be for me to sell (rent) my body to women that I find unattractive.

My point is that if a woman finds what she does so reprehensible than maybe she shouldn't be in the business to begin with. OTOH if she is fine with what she does, why would negotiating rates be so insulting. I negotiate rates on other services all the time, including reducing my rates at times. I don't find it insulting, it's just business, and I have been doing what I do for over thirty years, and I am quite good at what I do. I am however a realist, and I live in the real world where people on occasion try to get a better deal. Sometimes I say yes, most of the time I say no. The same choices that you as a sexual provider have available to you.

Some girls offer different rates every hour, this really pisses me off. You show up seeing one rate, you get there and the lady is offering a higher rate. I just turn around and leave.

Ok, you win.

Good discussion.

Xoxo.

As men vote with their $$$'s, we ladies can vote with our appointments. If you feel it's disrespectful, better than trying to convince the dudes on here to your way of thinking/feeling (which will never work), vote with your appointment schedule...you don't like them asking for discounts, then be "busy" or "not available"or "not interested in the offer". They will move on and you keep your "respect" in tact.

I have found that it is futile to try and "train" a section of the population on many things that pertain to me and the way I do things. So, I control the one thing that I can...and that's me and my actions. Guess what? I am happier, less conflict and still see some awesome dudes.

What worth would that be? None. I just decided to participate in the thread today. That's all.

I rarely receive contact from men who try to negotiate or ask for special rates anyway. When they do, I delete their emails. It's that easy.

I had one client ask me for a lower rate (he wanted to see me at $100) after our first engagement (because he believes in charity, he explained). I DNSed (on me personal list) and almost vomited at the idea I had spent intimate time with him. Other than him, I'm happy to say my client base, as well as potential clients are quite respectful, and I have no problems in this area.

Less conflict and seeing awesome men is definitely preferred!

Thanks for your input.

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There would be a certain price threshold that I would refuse to lower. lol

I don't for a moment believe that I could do what you ladies do, day in and day out. I really can't imagine having to perform with a person I was not attracted to, or even repulsed by, and as you know, I try to set my standards pretty high. lol

One other thing FWIW, I am not advocating that women lower their rates, nor do I believe that insulting offers need to be treated any more politely than the tone of the offer itself. (hey baby, I am a real stud, would you consider seeing me for fifty bucks?) lol

It is only the attitude that all negotiating is disrespectful and needs to be taboo that I question.

We live in a world of contradiction don't we;

Go to the grocery store, gas station, doctors office, like sheep, we  pay the posted price.

Go buy a car or have a contractor bid the cost of your addition and you are obligated to negotiate the cost.

When hobbying, search for a provider that rocks your world but after you find one, quickly move on so you don't get too attached.

TH

Sometimes I really dislike rhetorical questions or what has to be ....I think you already now the answers given how you worded them. So...i'm gonna...yeah.

and it ain't the tequila. Boy am i glad you don't suck dick!!!LOL

Now about those negotiable rates?? How about some slack at the pump? It's cutting into my card money.

Unfortunately, once the stuff comes out of the ground and heads to the refinery, I have nothing else to do with it. Sorry.

What card money are you referring to? Gambling? or CC money for Mrs. OSP??? lmao

Speaking of gambling, what's up with that stupid betting line on Argentina Tuesday, they made them a -180 favorite to win instead of making the line more like even money minus a goal. I hate lines like that, I refuse to lay almost 2-1 on any team, even Argentina. I hope the line changes over the next day or so.

Caught the parlay on Brazil and the over today. Drinks are still on me. lol

Obviously from the varied responses.... there is no "right" answer.  Thanks for the comments ladies and gents !!!

I might see a provider who charges X on one occasion, and another who charges 2X on another.

As far as I am concerned, what I might pay one provider is none of another provider's business.

If a provider offers some sort of discount and I accept it; that is strictly between the two of us. Generally, there is some sort of quid pro quo there that is just between us. If she doesn't offer a discount and I see her, that also is strictly between the two of us.

Providers charge what they charge. Each case is individual. As far as I am concerned, no provider, under any circumstances, has a right to even KNOW what I might have paid another, much less be pissed about it. And I ain't telling.

If provider A decides to charge me $100 and then gets pissed when I pay provider B $400 -- that is ridiculous. Do I stand over HER bed deciding the terms under which she can sleep with various men? Of course not. So I expect the same basic courtesy in return.

Naturally, the way things *should* be is not necessarily the way they *are*. So YMMV.

Whether it's the donation, what transpired on said date, and anything else.

It's nobody's fucking business what goes on between you two. Unless, of course, you can't STFU and tell others. Then it's on your head, pal.

There are businesses where the client doing some negotiating is very acceptable.  Car sales, buying a house, a art sale, etc.

But there are also those where asking for discounts and negotiating is generally seen as poor form (with some exceptions possible if you are a well established client):  banks, doctors, restaurants.

I have never figured out why some are in one category and others in the other, but the rules of ettiqite certainly differ.

I don't see either side "dictating" the terms.  This is very much a free market enterprise and more than anything else I know the market sets the price.  What is true is that I can't expect to tell one provider "This other provider only charges X so why won't you take X as well?"  Same as telling the BMW dealer he should charge VW prices doesn't work too often.  As is oft said, if you don't like one provider's terms you can vote with your feet.

As far as emasculating, that is a different topic and probably not worth debating since I expect we are on very different sides of that one.

"Whether it's the donation, what transpired on said date, and anything else.

It's nobody's fucking business what goes on between you two. Unless, of course, you can't STFU and tell others. Then it's on your head, pal."

Mikey, this is The Erotic Fucking Review for chrissakes. If people could STFU and not tell others, this site would cease to exist. roflmfao

Are you sure that maybe you haven't been drinking just a little "too much" lately. This last post was pretty bad, even by your standards. lmao

Just because you are too obtuse to realize it, doesn't mean it isn't happening. Your's is actually the perfect post and you the perfect poster to prove my point.

Manginas everywhere are so fucking eager to have women "like them" that they have no idea that they have lost every shred of manhood in the process.

Providers dictate virtually all the terms, and guys like you are sooo willing to comply. Whether we are talking about filling out screening forms, negotiating prices, or even insisting on leaving the money in a silly little envelope. Women are still dictating to men (I use the term loosely) even in the world of prostitution. WTF? You can't even call a prostitute a prostitute without her feeling slighted or disrespected, what the fuck have you guys become. If this isn't being emasculated, what is? Does she actually have to cut off your fucking balls before you guys say enough is enough?

In fact, even aggressively trying to negotiate a discount it not only OK, but expected.  Very few people walk into a new car dealership and just plunk down a check for MSRP, right?

But, would you walk into a restaurant----any restaurant---from your local burger joint to the classiest 5-star establishment, and ask them if they would be willing to give you a discount on a menu item you want?

“I know the menu says the fresh catch of the day is $32.50. But any possibility you could lower that price?”

You “could” do this. But, really…what a tool….

This idea becomes even more absurd when talking about a situation in which you would be asking a woman if she is willing to give you a discount for sticking your cock in her mouth….

If a provider is offering a special, she will let you know. Otherwise, it’s MSRP baby….lol….

As far as a provider quibbling over what you paid her vs what you paid someone else?

Seriously? Irrelevant. A provider sets her rate wherever she is comfortable. That is all you need to concern yourself with.

No, I don't think it's disrespectful. I also think guys here spend way too much time worrying about what these providers will find disrespectful.

I'm not saying be a dick. Or act disrespectfully. But come on, has it really come to this? Where a guy has to post under am alias because of all the white knights just waiting to pounce? Just waiting to defend the ladies honor?

Stop worrying about offending the girls. They're not your wives or girlfriends. They're your hobby. They rent their bodies out for money. I don't think they're the delicate flowers some here make them out to be.

Don't look to hurt feelings, but don't walk on eggshells either. We're men, act like it!

There's no harm in asking. All she has to say is "no" or "not at this time."

If she's offended, well, perhaps she's chosen the wrong line of work.

Maybe, after having spent time together, he felt the product was only worth a $100.00.

You call him a client. And you're right, he is. But then call your time together intimate and get offended when he tries to negotiate. Why? He's only a client. A customer. So why be so shocked when he behaves as such?


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Then GaG describe manhood and how you feel a male should treat/communicate etc with a woman who charges men to have sex with her (hooker, prostitute, escort etc.)

You have picked out 3 things you personally don't like...filling in forms, a little white envelope that contains cash and negotiating price. And you think these three little things emasculate men?  Simple answer...don't fill in the form, throw the money on the table and bargain the hell out of her prices.

But don't bitch when an escort, who can and will dictate the way her business and her body is treated...even by paying customers, refuses your money. Or don't see her.

The sign says, no shoes, no shirt, no service...you walk in barefoot, bare chested and then get turfed out...who's fault is it? The establishment for emasculating(if run and owned by a woman) a dude that does not wear his shoes and shirt? Seriously GaG.

I agree...he calls it like he sees it and she(the escort) can either accept or refuse the offer.

I take very little personally in this business. If you like me, book me, if you don't there are so many other hot women to choose from. Same with my clients...I don't like something about a dude...I don't book, as there will always be more where he came from.

simply because you have to put money in an envelope instead of tossing a wad on the table, then you didn't have much manhood to begin with.

As far as I'm concerned, anybody can set whatever rules they want for their own business. If I don't like the rules, I shop elsewhere.

BTW, I don't try to negotiate rates with my barber or my lawyer either. Do you?

And bat my eyes?  LOL

Actually, this particular gent is well known for being a haggler on the MN board. He does it to everyone. He sees some of the ladies initially at full price (the ones who aren't willing to give a discount at the beginning) and then he asks for low rates (sometimes free) because he thinks he's entitled to it as a now "repeat". Some ladies accept his tactics, I didn't. And it's not he felt my rates were worth only $100/hr with my almost four pages of 9/10 reviews, he simply felt that there was a need for charity in our economy. His warped sense of entitlement extends beyond me. So please don't insult me further with comments like "he calls it like he see it" about me being worth the low rates he proposed to all of the ladies. I was simply providing an example of someone being crass, and I find your posts offensive.

Xoxo.

Just like some people feel it's ok to not say "excuse me" when passing others in the grocery store or to not send a "thank you" note after receiving a gift during the holidays, some people feel it's ok to ask for discounts.

You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. Neither is right nor wrong, but clearly we have a difference of opinion, and that's ok.

Have a great day!

Ohhhhh there can be many answers but there's only ONE right answer.

And let’s stop letting these providers walk all over us. They are not our wives. They are not our girlfriends. This is not my beautiful house.

These are girls who rent their bodies to us for money. Who cares what they think is disrespectful, or how much we offend them. Fkc them!

I'm not saying be a dick.

Ah…crap....I have should have posted this under an alias....now I’m gonna be walking on eggshells…...


Sigh….lol…

You rock. Fuck yada-fuck. Don't like the prick, probably never will.

Peace.

I don't think I'd ask anyone to offer me a special...Kinda rude!  I've seen quite a few who had specials (as long as they where GFE's that I knew about).  I had one let me continue to see her at that rate after we met.
Ladies offer specials for a number of reasons, not just because they are hard up, or low quality (which some guys associate with specials).
Then, of course, we have the guy who would NEVER accept a lower price from a lady!  LMAO

“Your's is actually the perfect post and you the perfect poster to prove my point.”

I have no idea why you think who the poster is affects whether the argument made is valid or not.  If someone different made the post would it be more acceptable?  I doubt it.

Just what “terms” matter to you?  No provider has ever forced me to pay a certain rate I didn’t want to pay, I just find someone else.  The same with incall/outcall, blonde/redhead, one hour/two hours, CBJ/BBBJ.  They say what they are willing to do, I choose what is important to me.  If it fits, fine.  If not, there are plenty of other options.  For screening I only give info I’m comfortable giving, usually just my Date CheckorP-411 ID is sufficient.  I’ve never given my name to a provider before we meet.

Does the whole envelope thing really matter to you that much?  You’ve ranted about it pretty strongly several times now.  I have never felt threatened by the envelope or what piece offurniture she wants it placed on.

As to having the ladies like me, well of course!  Guilty as charged.  Like, not fall in love with.  Like, as enjoy being with each other for a few hours or overnight.  Maybe if you tried it you’d find your dollar goes a lot farther.  And if you don’t, all it does is make me look better by comparison in their eyes, and the rewards for that can be substantial.

I seriously don't understand your irritation.

props to you for your approach.

out the diva & primadona attitudes. If I wanted those pissy ego rules mixed with my sex life, I'd just get married again.
just sayin' 00

if you ask a lady to give you a special rate and then she finds out you saw another lady at a much higher rate...do not be surprised if the "special" lady doesn't see you anymore. We price ourselves at what we think is right for us. Questioning our rates is like telling us that you don't think we are worth what we are asking and to answer your question it is disrespectful and in addition to that...it is an insult.

I just bet the whole shabang. That way i can sit back and allow the dinero to ROLL in. Watch for the Brazilian lines to freak you out too.

Mrs OSP? I can't get her to spend a dime without YELLING at some poor retail clerk first.lol She keeps buying crap for me. I'll be the first husband who went broke because his wife loves him. LOL

Your other pregunta; TEXAS HOLD 'EM baby. I think i'm a(dick)ed!!!!!

As far as my barber and my lawyer go. My barber gets about a 100% tip from me everytime I see her, she is a hot little vietnamese lady (just married unfortunately) who gives me a scalp massage and a facial (no not that kind) every time I see her for less than the price of a simple haircut anywhere else I have been. My lawyer is a different story, I often negotiate with lawyers, not always but ocassionally.

Incidently, as I have already stated, I don't personally negotiate with sexual providers, but I don't see where they get off being offended when some poor schmuck who makes less than a quarter of what they do, asks if there is the possibility that a lady who is known to run specials would run one for him. Just how the fuck is that insulting?

here allow me to help you up off the floor.

literbike = 1
Gambler = zilch

Gonna go another round with her? LOL

I was not inferring your services  were only worth $100. Here's how I took the sentence...he calls it...meaning he haggles you down to the $100 dollar mark....like he sees it...the ladies should be giving back. Either way the guys an asshole. However I still stand by my later remarks in that you either can see him at his call or you can refuse.

I have never had a complaint about not using an envelope, and I would never repeat with a provider that was offended so easily. Thirdly, I don't negotiate price, but I don't consider doing so insulting or disrespectful.

I make considerably more than any provider I know, and people are constantly trying to haggle with me, occasionally asking me to perform services at prices that would have me operating at not only  no profit, but in some cases would have me accepting jobs that would cause  me to incur hundreds of thousands of dollars in losses. Do I feel insulted at such offers? Of course I do. Do I go on a rant and tell all my prospective clients that my prices are non negotiable and that any attempt to negotiate prices will be considered disrespectful? Of course not, I am a business man, and shit like this goes along with the territory.

The idea that a woman who charges hundreds of dollars an hour can convince a bunch of guys that make a fraction what she does that attempting to "get a better deal" is somehow insulting to her is laughable to me. Anyone who thinks this is not a prima donna type of attitude is delusional IMO. Of course credit is to be given to the women for convincing the majority of men that attempting to negotiate is insulting and disrespectful, kudos to them for managing to keep men under their thumb, even in the world of P4P.

It's a free market, and the market will determine exactly how many hoops a woman can demand a potential client jump through before he decides she is not worth seeing. I will admit the apparent consenus, on this forum at least,is that men are willing to jump through endless hoops in order to see the woman of their choice.

I can only speak for myself, and I can only vote with my wallet, but there are only so many hoops that I will jump through to spend my money and I have had no problems with my approach. I don't even attempt to book with women that insist on screening forms, and I have no desire to book with the "platinum pussies" that charge the equivalent of a house payment for a couple of hours of their time. This still leaves me with literally thousands of women who are happy to accept my money.

Your rather specious analogy aside, I have no problems with "no shirt, no shoes, no service", I do however have a problem with "Coat and tie required, screening required before seating, and only Diner's club accepted. No exceptions, and all customers that question management policies will be asked to leave" Seriously LB, would you attempt to make a reservation in a restaurant with that type of policy?

I do see your point but what I am taking from your post/s is that by you expressing yourself, things might change if the guys "man up". It won't happen. The guys that disagree with certain things we ladies do or don't do, will just see those women who suit their needs and vice versa. Only jump through the hoops you feel you can jump through and leave the rest.

Same way that the ladies can disagree about certain things guys do/want...won't change anything. Both sides just have to find, in the human soup of providing/hobbying what one is comfortable doing/accepting and then leave the rest alone.

I know you don't like prima donna pros or little white envelops or forms...I won't ever CIM or deal with marathon events or BBBJ uncut guys...my preferences and you have yours but for me to complain and want hobbyists to forgo CIM and take less than 59 minutes to do the job and have all uncut guys accept a CBJ is rediculous to say the least..they don't pick me and I don't book them.

Seriously there is a lot I would change about this arena...but I can't control that. I can control who I see and what I do and leave the rest alone.

I think there are complete assholes on this board and I wouldn't piss in their ears if their brains were on fire...but to challenge them in the hopes they will be more civil etc...is a complete waste of my time.

..."I can only speak for myself, and I can only vote with my wallet, but there are only so many hoops that I will jump through to spend my money and I have had no problems with my approach. I don't even attempt to book with women that insist on screening forms, and I have no desire to book with the "platinum pussies" that charge the equivalent of a house payment for a couple of hours of their time. This still leaves me with literally thousands of women who are happy to accept my money."...

Then what's your issue? You seem to have solved it right here.

In response to your last paragraph...simply don't patronize that restaurant. If that's their policy...that's their policy...find another restaurant. That's what I would do. But i there was something on that menu I wanted bad enough...I'd comply and deal with the rules. Choices...aren't they great!

but I do offer my dissenting position in the rather dim hope that those hobbyists that have not been indoctrinated into believing that following the rules and demands of the providers posts here is the only way to enjoy the hobby.

There are many here like me that won't jump through endless hoops to see a provider, but if a newbie were to get all his information about the hobby by reading this forum, he might come to the mistaken conclusion that if he refused to comply with all of the rather unreasonable demands made by "some" of the providers here, he would never be able to book an appointment.

I am here as proof positive that a man can enjoy this "hobby" without caving into every demand that some providers make.

I don't advocate being an ass about it, but just as a lady has every right to refuse a client, we have the same right to move on to the next, less demanding lady of our choosing. Just trying to give the other side of the argument equal time. Lord knows the providers side of the issue gets more than its share of "air time" here.

Another way of putting it. If it's okay for providers to list and advocate for their preferred way of doing business, isn't it fair for their clients to voice their opinions on the subject?

Because this is a man's board isn't that what you guys do on here anyway...voice your opinions on everything...including how we should operate things? Of course you do...we ALL do.

Mainly us ladies do it on our websites and yes we comment on here because this is the playground you boys hit, and what better audience to sound off to.

OK this has about run it's course for me. Vote with your dollars, book whom ever you want...bottom line if it gets too out of hand it then becomes an "us" versus "them" and no one gets laid because everyone is too busy fighting or hating on the opposite team.

it's true that the hoops are for everyone to decide whether or not to jump through. I've had ladies attempt to require DL proof. That's just NOT gonna happen.



What? You weren't looking for MY approval? LMAO

How we act in the "real" world is completely different.

In the real world I have no debates on this subject, I simply book with who I like and pass on all the rest. I am sure the same works for you, in reverse of course.

TER discussions boards are designed exactly for that, Discussion. Providers and hobbyists have the chance to get their opinions out there, anonymously if desired, and have the chance to see other peoples POV.

I don't want to monopolize the discussion with my POV, nor do I want it ignored to the benefit of people with different opinions. The provider side of the issue is quite well represented here, most of the men just accept the providers POV as the gospel. I am just trying to get the other sides POV out there.

It's natural that the providers would want a policy of no negotiating, full screening, jump through every hoop I ask for, etc. On the other side of the equation, there is a segment of hobbyist who don't want to comply with any screening, want bargain basement prices and think providers should comply with every request these guys make. What is right and what is reasonable is somewhere in between these two extremes, how far in either direction you believe is a far and reasonable compromise naturally depends on your own perspective.

I have absolutely no problems getting laid, and I doubt you have no problems attracting clients, obviously the system is working well for both of us, and there is equally as obviously room for disagreement. lol

I do agree, we have probably worn this topic out for the moment, but we have proven that two people can disagree on this subject and still remain civil. I still like you, and I hope you still like me. lol

Now that's what I call a spirited debate with opposing angles but done without resorting to name calling and BS.

Yes I do like you...at least the board you, since we have never met. Have a great night GaG.

Let this thread be proof that people, even assholes like me, can disagree without being disagreeable. lol

Have a great night as well LB

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I've met GaGambler (who is apparently the dumb brother) and he's nicer in person than he is on the board.  I mean, hell, he bought the drinks AND got me back to the airport with just enough time to not miss my flight.

Then again, I'm nicer in real life too, so maybe it was just him reflecting my niceness back.  

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