You would think that it would be the other way around: not seeing a client who is OVER a certain age.

Older ones seem to "get it" a bit more. They come for the experience and respect the girls time, and are much less likely to want to come in and just pound the crap out of the poor girl.

That's not saying younger clients can't be wonderful, but they are often very different than the older ones.

Forget water boarding.

Just make 'em read the TER general board over and over again.

They'll crack.

First of all, just what really is the legal age (of consent) for a potentially illegal activity? 21? Or 18?

Some providers have explained to me that they have a minimum age for two reasons: (1) the older a guy is, the more respectful and appreciative he is likely to be of the ladies, and to know how to treat them with respect and consideration, and (2) the older a guy is (over 30, perhaps?), the less likely he'll be such a stud and wear out the poor woman with MSOG, especially when she may have a number of clients that she's seen or expects to see on a given day.
Are these truly the reasons for a min age?

And if its 21, then why would some providers I know list 25 as a minimum age? To me, it doesn't seem like that would make much of a difference. In addition, it seems kind of ludicrous: there probably aren't too many guys at 25 who are even financially established to afford to hobby, especially in this economy/job market, unless its a 1-2 times a year rare experience. And as for maturity, what about the young 20-year-old combat veteran? It all seems so rediculously arbitrary...

you must be under the age of men we do not like to see.

The reason is simple, they are more respectful, they tend to not flake, they like to make you feel good just as much if not more than themselves.

They are interested in connections, chemistry, taking their time. They do not want to come in and fuck you like a blow up doll.

They do not usually try to negotiate your rates, and ask for SALES

These are the main ones, off the top of my head.. I am sure there are more that other women can chime in on

I disagree 100% with everything you said.

Age has nothing to do with anything you mentioned.
You make it sound is as if older men don't try to negotiate/haggle, flake, or disrespect providers.

That isn't true at all.

I would imagine that having chemistry and a connection are stronger and more likely to occur the closer the provider and client are in age. So again, I disagree with your point of saying that younger clients are disinterested in having a connection/chemistry. Who wouldn't want to feel chemistry? And taking our time? Why would anyone, regardless of age, want to rush a session?

You have it all wrong.

This.....all of this.

I've never flaked, I treat all the ladies with respect, and if we truly have a connection I reciprocate in every way. I've never been rude or clumsy like one of the posts up top claims. For example, I once was going to see a provider, but when I showed up she told me she was uncomfortable. I didn't make it a scene I just said ok no problem and left. I never go over the time allowed either even when some providers I've seen didn't seem to care. I actually tell them it's time to go because I don't want to take advantage.

I wouldn't say I'm demanding, but I do try to find specific women that I know will be ok with what I like. If a woman isn't comfortable doing something I like I'm not going to try to force her to do it. I just let it go and move on. You never really know what is possible until you give it a go because reviews don't always tell the full story.

The way I see it, if a provider won't see me because I'm too young it's her loss. There are lots of other providers to choose from and I'm a very reliable client. If I have a really good time with a provider I tend to see her again and again and again. The 1st time I see a provider it's almost always for only 1 hour just to see if her reviews are true. Future visits will most likely be 2 hour appointments which are great because we can relax, chat, and then go for round 2 with no rushing at all.

Many of my favorite ladies admit they didn't expect me to be such a nice time.

Less likely to want to pound the girl?
I don't think I've read a review where the client and provider just talked and cuddled.

Also, that's what screening and references are for.

I'm the same way as you are when it comes to treating a lady with respect.
It's disappointing that some of these stereotypes were created just because of a few bad apples who had to ruin it for the rest of us youngsters.

We're definitely the future (of this hobby and the future in general).
I'm sure one day I'll find that perfect lady.
There are lots of providers out there.
Time to move on and test my luck with others.

Keep searching. It took me several months to finally find a handful of perfect providers for me. I see them each month while still exploring new providers I've never seen before.

" Many of my favorite ladies admit they didn't expect me to be such a nice time."
I would guess they'd say that because a guy like you (younger client) is an exception to the usual experiences they've had with men of certain age ranges in the hobby and outside of it.  They wouldn't be surprised about the nice time you were if you weren't out of the ordinary for them would they?

I get there are exceptions but I for the most part stand to my age minimum....mine is pretty lenient compared to A lot of ladies. Mine is 27 tho there are a few exceptions (some students, military, firefighters, teachers etc).  

All that being said.....3 of my most fave clients ever are in the 29-35 age range (occupations in no order: teacher, farmer and cook) . No one is saying older gents (45+) are perfect but the avg of better dates/experiences is a lot higher.

...if it were just a few I don't think so many would have no one under 30/35/40/45 minimums.
Sometimes it's really not that deep and it's just about preference (sometimes that's not a fun word to see if it means weeding you out but......hey). For some it's as simple as you might be their son's age or close and they just can't get over that (or being same age as their soon to be 21 y/o little brother *shudders*).  I suggest you not take it as personally as you probably are. You're very right there are lots of providers out here, many just right for you who would be glad to meet your very youthful acquaintance.

Just my humble opinion and worth exactly what you paid for it but when I read your response, the thought that came to my mind is "this is an excellent example of why some providers may choose to only see older clients". A tiny piece of free advice, sir. Let's not presume we can school a professional on how to conduct her business, be it in the hobby or elsewhere. It is a pretty safe bet she knows far more about it than you or I ever will.

what you're talking about when it comes to the overall percentage of which age groups are known for what, so don't sit here and tell her she is all wrong. You simply do not know! Overall, what she said is in fact accurate on the grand scale, and I am a provider who sees younger guys, so I think I would also know more than you about the subject. There are exceptions of course, but on the whole younger guys tend to be the ones who haggle more, ncns, and the list goes on. I don't much care about the chemistry or "older men taking their time" factor, but yes...younger guys in the hobby with only a few exceptions cause more problems for providers than older men do.

If that were not true for many providers, there would not the a damn age limit would there? Apparently, many women have had issues with this age group and the age min. only further reiterates that. Younger guys also tend to grade harder in reviews, but I doubt anyone will admit that's why they don't see them lol. I happen to like younger guys and have an upper limit vs. a lower, but it is what it is. Move on to the next provider who wants to see you. This is no different than another "Why don't providers see black guys" thread.

Many providers believe (usually from personal experience) that older men are more respectful, more interested in a mutually enjoyable session, and much less likely to be stuck up on themselves.

If she is going to run into a client who turns out to be a stalker, who thinks he's "Special" and deserves more than she provided (BBFS, rough play, etc.), or feel he can shortchange her because he's God's gift to women, it is more likely to happen with a younger kid.

As with a lot of rotten apples a few young guys spoil it for the entire category with some women.

If you are walking down a dark alley late at night and 3 young guys are standing in the shadows up ahead, do you get a little adrenalin flow?  Do you get the same feeling if 3 retierees are standing there instead?

Most men of any age are respectful, honest, etc.  But if a provider things 1 in 100 young guys might be a bad apple but only 1 in 10,000 older men will be that isn't arbitrary.  It may be a wrong belief, but that is not the same thing.

Write to them explaining that while you are under thirty, and understand why they won't see people under thirty, that you are mature; and then go on to write something mature to convince them of that fact.  Be brief and spelling and grammar do count.

By the way, the things you have written below will NOT serve that purpose.

Do not be a know-it-all, do not be didactic, and do not pretend to know their business better than they do.  You don't.

Not all gals will accept you, but a certain number of them will, and that's all that counts.

You come across as a guy who just tried to see a lady and was turned down because of your age.  If that’s the case I can understand the frustration that comes across in your posts, especially some of the later ones in this thread.

Yes, it is unfortunate that a few bad apples ruin things for a lot of other guys.  But the way you are going on about it here is not likely to improve your lot.  Look at how some of the ladies have responded to your posts:  they see you as whining—exactly the type of issue that reinforces the stereotype you are seeking to avoid.

The reality IS that a random 20 y/o kid is more likely to want 5 Os in an hour, more likely to have an overly inflated ego, and more likely to NC/NS or try and skip on paying.  Your trying to convince a lady that those odds are not real when she has probably experienced it first hand isn’t a good approach.

I have a number of ladies I have become friends with.  We do talk on the phone between visits, we do hang out OTC and understand that OTC for many of them means no sex.  They trust me to be discrete and not repeat things, not be judgmental.  As a result I do get a glimpse into their behind-the-scenes lives at times.  I’ve visited some of them in the hospital, and put them up at my place while they have recovered from injuries inflicted by clients.  It’s ALWAYS been a young client.  I’ve driven a couple hundred miles to give a lady a ride home because she had her car and purse stolen by a 20-something client.  I’ve had unexpected house guests when they flew into town and their date for the weekend NC/NSd or cancelled after they landed.  Always a young client.  I’ve had some of these ladies—as they are sitting in my kitchen with curlers and a robe completely OTC—swear they will never see a guy OTC because guys expect anything OTC means free sex; they are almost always (this one’s not 100%) talking about a young guy who only half-jokingly tells them “I’m so good in bed YOU should be paying ME!”

Those ARE the kinds of experiences many of the ladies have had.  It’s what you are up against whether you think it’s fair or not.

Suggest instead you use the anonymity of the board to make your 1st impression with a lady a positive one.  The biggest tool you have are your words and posts—give her a glimpse of YOUR persona, how YOU are likely to be 1-on-1 before she ever knows how old you are.  Convince them YOU are not one of THEM, not because you say so, but because of how you act on here.  Convince them you are one of the “nice guys” even before they know your age.  It’s their rules, so they are allowed to make exceptions.  Hey, that’s how I got to see London even though I’m 50 years older than her limit!    If I can get to see a stunning lady like London, then any guy has hope.

I don't have an age limit...
Although I have to admit that the few friends (can count them with the fingers of one hand) that are in their 20's can be a bit more demanding, which most times I don't mind.  And since I know them, I can turn down their request when I'm tired or simply not in the mood for an exhausting meeting.  BUT!, there have also been those that can't hold it for too long.. and they are just too easy!  lol!
They have never been disrespectful nor clumsy... Haven't got any bad experience with any of them.

If you asked me if what would be my ideal age?  I would say anyone older than 28y/o would my preference.  


LDL

Agree with everything you said.

Do you have younger male clients to base your statements on ?


Thank you
XLVII = 5

I don't mind a person's age, its how they communicate and treat me.

If they're mature during their introduction its all good.

I can't say they're my favorites, I don't even enjoy dating men in their twenties.  But thats more of a temperament thing than not being able to hang with them sexually because I can.  I'd much rather play an entire session than lay around and talk about myself because I'm much more private these days than I was in the past.

I don't have a minimum age but I do have a maximum age.  I refuse to see anyone over 70 anymore unless their references indicate that it won't be like fucking a corpse.  Its just too much.  Other girls can, I just can't or won't.

don't call a plumber.  I had to get something fixed on my snowmobile last year and I called a guy who had done some work on it before.  I told him what I needed done and he said, "I don't do that any longer.  It's just a little too involved and I've tried to simplify my business."

I didn't go on some discussion board and complain that he refused me service.  LOL.  I got a referral and moved on.  His business....his choice.  This is the woman's own body they have a right to establish any guidelines they see fit.  You also have a right to go somewhere else.  

As for not fitting the stereotypes, maybe you should try a short e-mail explaining yourself if there is someone you really want to see.  Maybe they make an exception.  Maybe not.  Maybe if you get a few referrals that you're very mature for your age and extremely respectful....that might change some minds.  Might not.  

Give those things a shot if it's worth that much to ya or just find someone that fits your needs.  There are those gals out there.

I am a complete newbie at this, but if you've done any reading at all (on this website), you'd get that it's not about the sculpted greek body for MANY of these ladies.  I've seen one provider who said her favorite client weighed almost 400 pounds.....said she loved seeing him because he was just a gem of a human being.  

Let's face it, most providers have a sexual itch that needs scratching.  But it's more than that for a lot of them.  And the same is true for most of the guys.  There is a reason that almost every review references things like intelligence, sense of humor, conversation, etc.  Yeah, it's a lot about the sex, but I've been with more than a few fence posts......no thanks.  

Some of this stuff is genuine....some is acting.  I'm guessing it's important to understand and figure out the difference.

I think you can boil it all down to MATURITY.  That's not an age factor, but an experience factor.
Also, how the gentleman was raised.  With respect and manners or NOT.

College student age...Business major...22-24 years old.

Your probably a decent enough guy. Good grades, and a few drinking buddies.

Let me do a comparison between you and others in your bracket...

You-Are respectful of other people in general
Your peers-Look down on anyone not like them

You-Don't expect something for nothing
Your peers-Don't have a clue about what it means to work for a living

You-Have a respectful outlook on women
Your peers-Think of them as sex objects

You-Appreciate a woman having sex with you, and understand that even in the civie world that it comes with a price tag.
Your peers-Think that every chick should just lay down for them...and then leave, thanking them on her way out the door.

You-Are just trying to get laid...
Your peers-Want it in the middle of a sorority party so they can film it and put it up on youporn...


I find it funny when people my age look at the younger kids and say, that this generation is somehow different...worse even. Kids are the same as they always have been. It is us, the older guys, who change. After a certain point, you see the world differently. The rose colored glasses come off.

Though I certainly appreciate your youthful unbiased view of the world, that each is different and should be judged accordingly...it is unrealistic.

What you are asking a woman to do, is to be alone, buck naked, in a neutral location, and expect you...a younger guy...to not be like ALL the other younger guys that are out there. The provider looses all of her protection, the second she gives you that room number, and or steps through your front door. From experience, she would prefer not to expose herself to a high risk pool. (Duke University Lacrosse Team)

Trust me when I say this...at some point in your life, you will see things differently then you do now. From experiences gained in life, you will become more intelligent, mature, and probably a little jaded too. When you hit that point, all of us "older guys" will welcome you to the club.

But for now, even though you may be the nicest, most respectful guy on planet earth...don't expect to be treated any differently then your peers. It's a right of passage. You won't learn anything from life without working for it...suffering a bit...and experiencing it. Until you do those things, you will be looked on as a kid.

And this is why there are self imposed age limits...


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The perfect Lady?

What are you looking for?

gotta like the urban dictionary definitions.

POUNDING: using weight and force to grind her into the mattress

I look at age first because I do have morals and I cannot see myself in session with someone
who tells me he is 19 and this has happened to me twice already with someone trying to see me.
Maturity Morals and Age are cor concerns for me . If I wouldn't  in my civie life I wouldn't in this one.

I have been with gentlemen in the 30's range but I got a feel for them before and felt he was
mature stable and showed stablity in his career. I tend to lean more towards the older professional
gentleman but even when choosing no matter what age maturity is either a part of his make up or not.
I've met guys at an age that I would  considered mature and some of their antics fooled me. So I agree
it has alot to do with how someone was raised.

XO
Angela

get it ?

London, every time I read you...I want even More to see you. How close to Richmond do you travel? I'll be 60 in a month.....please don't say I'm too old for you.

Yea, at times you have to hold their hand through the screening process and school them to be more gentle in bed, but that's not always the case. I have met 20 somethings that rocked my damn world many times!

London I do not doubt your word for one second, ( I was young once myself) however….

The little fellow was getting a bit snarky so I felt a little bitch slap to put him in his place was in order.

Nothing personal, just Business.



Thank you
XLVII =  5


BTW
You can hold my hand any time

I sure as hell don't want to screw my grandpa, but it would creep me out just as much to take money from a guy if I had a son that age. It would be like banging one of his friends. Many women here are in their 40s and 50s, and most all have at least one child. Do the math. I don't see many 21-23 year old providers not wanting to see the younger guys, because they have more in common. I personally enjoy 30-40 range the most, but attitude is everything to me. If an older guy acts like a 30 something, bring it on!

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Meant "younger" clients.

Just reading this board will confirm that many of the 60 somethings write and act like 12 year olds, and the reverse is also true. Many of the younger guys here are better writers, more intuitive and more articulate than those "experienced" gents...same goes for some of the BSC women in their 40s and 50s. Age does not equate to stability or maturity, but it damn well should. I like a fun guy, so no matter the age, I don't want to spend time with anyone who has the personality of a damn carrot!

I thought I was something special at 20. I had the same equipment and roughly the same technique but not the same stamina I have now. As a young gun I was ready to shoot at anything.

I have learned a lot from the women I have had the pleasure of being with over the years. I have listened to what they like, not what I thought they would like from porno's I had seen.

Now that I'm nearly double that age, I think I have the best of both worlds. Some experience under my belt yet I enjoy going out, having fun, and making the girl I'm with laugh. Their is a concert coming up on the coast and I'm considering an overnight.

Might make for a good review. Who should I take?

Oh I'm so glad everyone on this board knows how to read.

Seriously. Because WE aren't the ones who see this over and over again in order to form our opinions. One guy has it allllll figured out without a days experience.

That is funny. I just set up my first overnight for a concert coming up. Going all out with limo service as well. I can hardly wait. Good luck with yours.

Old white men are easy to please.  
Half the time they just want to kiss and hug.

A young guy is going to try to break my back, lol.

Although some old dudes can take forever...I prefer to do as little as possible (I choose my guys carefully and just don't see those again who are too hard to deal with)...why wear me out when I have other things I prefer to do that can work out my body just the way I like it!