Assuming you do your research as normal, you should be good to go. I would not rely on P411 for research. I'd definitely use TER as well as looking at a few other things. P411 is more of a booking service than anything else.
My guess would be, however, that "penetrating"P411 would be a lot more trouble than other avenues of entrapment. And like everyone else - LE does easy first..A friend of mine who is a newbie is concerned that even though he scheduled through P411, that everyone's least favorite Uncle may be there when he arrives. His concern is that the provider in question has no reviews. Obviously if he is that uncomfortable he should move on. Has anyone ever heard of LE successfully infiltrating these referral services, with the hobbyist stinging with a solicitation summons? All comments are welcome.
This one seems rather obvious to me.
but should not be used as the only screening method for either part
Assuming you do your research as normal, you should be good to go. I would not rely on P411 for research. I'd definitely use TER as well as looking at a few other things. P411 is more of a booking service than anything else.
My guess would be, however, that "penetrating"P411 would be a lot more trouble than other avenues of entrapment. And like everyone else - LE does easy first..
My guess would be, however, that "penetrating"P411 would be a lot more trouble than other avenues of entrapment. And like everyone else - LE does easy first...
It's highly probable that it's happened on every major site. What we are doing is playing the odds.
You have to be supremely unlucky to be the guy that contacts that provider that is compromised during the window she continues to operate. Because it isn't going to last very long. Some john will report it and their ad will disappear.
The reverse where a john's account is compromised is still only going to net a few busts. It really isn't worth the time or effort unless they can compromise the site itself. LE has also moved the other way on busts for the most part. Targeting the payer.
The hobby carries risks. One should always be prepared for the worst or at least acknowledge that it's always a possibility that it could happen to you. No matter how safe you are. Hell your ATF could flip on you...
Invite a well reviewed provider to your hotel room. Odds are almost 100% you'll be fine.
My guess would be, however, that "penetrating"P411 would be a lot more trouble than other avenues of entrapment. And like everyone else - LE does easy first...
Indicates that there has been repeated LE infiltration of P411 accounts including collusion of clients and providers to mitigate their own sentences. The rumors also indicate that the owner does very little about this.
P411 is a great tool but should not be your only tool. As with all things of significance, it's always wise to do your due diligence. As has been stated, find a lady on P411, check for her on TER or wherever else and then make informed and intelligent (well, as "intelligent" as can be when we're using the little head!) decisions on how/whether to proceed.
was a FOUR-YEAR infiltration effort, but was aimed mainly at agencies, and not indies, but there is no reason to suspect a LE agency would not go after a verification operation and its customers, both johns and providers, as well. In the Seattle case, undercover LE officers actually went through with paid sessions in order to gain cred with the orgs and johns they would eventually take down. TER seems not to allow links to any of the news coverage on this operation as much has been posted on various boards in the last year and then taken down, but some Googling on your own will provide a complete picture of what happened and how LE was able to infiltrate the market by pretending to be customers.
the charges were Federal charges of money laundering and stuff like that against the bosses and their business associates. I don't think that there were any prostitution charges against the girls or the clients even though some of the girls were detained on the day of the Big Bust.
From the NYT, April 13, 2016: "A four-year federal investigation into a network of Korean brothels led to the unsealing of charges on Wednesday against 11 people accused of participating in a broad ring ..."
I think that there was less (or zero) under-the-covers LE activity in NYC than in Seattle. It was a lot of tracking the money, the money-people, expenses, and so on. One huge downside was the seizure of the phone lists, reported to contain 70,000 unique numbers.
According to the owner of P411 no client has ever been prosecuted due to an undercover okayed provider. However some providers have been busted by undercover okayed clients.
Yes, I have. The other major players have been infiltrated too, but I'm pretty sure everyone already knows that. Even someone who has reviews can be turned- word round my campfire is a fellow longterm provider in my area has been involved in setting up stings on a weekly basis for LE.
Wether reviewed, or not, if someone pushes for specifics, it's better to cancel/walk out the door. You can always get a nut later, better not to be in cuffs. On my side, I have refused to schedule sessions with clients who insist on "I'm paying this for this" or the idiotic, after all the safety protocols, "So I will definitely get this if I pay this."
Puh-lease!!!!
Wether reviewed or not, just remember there is NO reason to repeatedly state in text, email, phone or in person specifics- and if someone insists, something fishy is going on. It is also good to remember, please please please NEVER fall for the LE routine of "We already know, so you might as well tell us." If they knew, they wouldn't need you to snitch on yourselves.
(Back in the biz after 4year break, no reviews, no record, and working steady and safely because I follow these rules.
I'd be one to doubt any P411 provider could work with le for weeks without word getting back to P411 and getting her okay pulled.
Again, a quick google search will indicate that Gina has a history of refusing to acknowledge the presence of LE on her site or doing anything about it. Providers have been known to collude with LE to reduce charges against themselves.
I suppose there are always rumors.
Nevertheless, the most recent statement by Gina that I found was from Oct 6, 2015: "there has never been an incident where a P411 account was used to cause any sort of legal problem for a client. Not once, not anywhere, never in the 10+years of operation."
Nevertheless, the most recent statement by Gina that I found was from Oct 6, 2015: "there has never been an incident where a P411 account was used to cause any sort of legal problem for a client. Not once, not anywhere, never in the 10+years of operation."
That has happened and has been acknowledged by Gina. As I recall it has been due in the past to some escorts granting okays to people they didn't actually have a session with. I.e. just met for drinks, etc.
Doesn't matter if he's finding ladies on p411 or backpage, newbies should stick to well reviewed ladies.
You should know better yourself
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