I've had issues in the past with ED, almost surely related to anxiety and the adrenaline that goes with. So I got me some little blue pills and boing! A solid hour, no prob, but now I'm desensitized and there's no blast off. So my partner is wondering where's the explosion with such a nice woody for such a long time. I've even gone down to a quarter of the dosage once and get the same results. So I went back to plan A, and no wood. I just got a prescription for Cialis, which costs anarmanaleg. I don't know if this will be any different.
Occasionally I have used viagra in seeing providers. For me, my reasons were two-fold. First, I wanted to be sure that my nerves didn't overcome my bodily functions. It's happened once or twice and while the providers were very understanding, it was obviously embarrasing and financially frustrating. The second reason is because for me, it increases my ability to perform in two ways. It decreased sensitivity and thus allowed me to last longer and it also allowed me to awake the dead faster in order to get a second pop.
My question here is more for the providers. I imaging that sometimes, Viagra is a curse in that the client can turn into the energizer bunny and just won't quit (or wants a second pop) and you just can't get rid of him. But, do providers enjoy it if the relationship with the client is good? Does having a client last longer ever enhance the date?
I would love to hear your thoughts.
The only thing that enhances a date for a provider is when you go limp and they don't have to have sex with you at all. They hate Viagra. For one thing, it allows you have to sex with them, which they hate. For another, it makes you so hard (if you don't really need it) sometimes your member cannot conform to their innards and can be painful.
Take it anyway.
No it does not enhance the date for me and I have no problem putting a stop to his performance if it is causing discomfort in any way. This goes for marathon guys too. We do have limits and sorry but I am not being paid enough to be in pain during our encounter.
I can say that I hate any ED drug used just to prolong things and have no problem if a guy really needs it and does not abuse it.
"For another, it makes you so hard (if you don't really need it) sometimes your member cannot conform to their innards and can be painful."
Too true!!!!!
Help me out here. If you honestly believe that providers "hate" to have sex, what in the hell are you doing coming to see us?
You are right about the baseball bat syndrome, which I do in fact hate because it DOES hurt. That doesn't mean I don't like sex though. Hell, I don't like sex, I LOVE IT.
But seriously, when are you guys ever going to learn that there isn't a pre-cut pattern that all providers fall into as though we came off some conveyor belt somewhere that spits out escorts in a one size, one attitude fits all style?? We aren't all alike. Some of us, I would suspect MOST of us, really do like sex. I can't imagine doing what I do if I didn't.
But still, if you really think we hate sex, and by inference hate YOU that much, what the hell are you doing coming to see us??
I hate to open this topic again but....Maybe I'm being cynical, but I have trouble believing (generally speaking) the women enjoy sex with the guys. (The women keep charging money for it after all.) If you do, fantastic, it will probably show and you'll get more business than you know what to do with.
One of my favorite quotes is a Montreal girl who was asked by a newspaperman if she ever had an orgasm. She said, "Oh, yes, two! Once when he pays and once when the door hits his ass on the way out!"
I'll preface this by saying, as you did, that not only are all women different, but a high number of them don't enjoy sex. I have a certain hypothesis that if their first, or at least an early experience of sex is pleasurable, they then will know how enjoyable it is. These are sluts from a very early age. If their earliest experiences of sex are not pleasurable, they tend to remain unfulfilled and think of sex as totally a guy thing-- and might look on it with a lot of disdain. Of course, also, those women might have a "breakthrough" experience, especially after they reach their sexual peak. Then they begin to understand just what guys went through at 18.
Providers, though, have a lot of sex, and are more likely to have that "breakthrough." I've had heard a few say that they never enjoyed sex till they got into the business. I tend to believe them. There is something about the kink and the adventure of it.
I doubt any provider could honestly say that she loves everything about this business, or on the flip side, that she hates everything and everyone involved in the hobby. It's not so clear cut- never is. Most gals, I suspect, enjoy parts of it and not others- that's only human, and applies to many things outside of this hobby. Most of us probably really enjoy the sex on certain days or with certain people. Personally, I enjoy it more often than not. I couldn't be successful and continue in this business if I didn't.
Do we enjoy sex every day, all day, with any partner? No, probably not. Do we enjoy every facet of every aspect of this job? Again, probably not. But I'd say most gals enjoy the sex more often than not, and have clearly found the pros of this job outweigh the cons, or why keep doing it? No amount of money is worth spending your days doing something you dislike or find meaningless.
And to say that because women in this business charge for their time, that automatically precludes us enjoying our work?? That is completely illogical. The best possible careers are those in which you can support yourself by doing something you love.
I devote a lot of my time and energy to this business, I take significant risks, I share the most intimate parts of myself with strangers, and I spend money on business-related expenses in order to do what I do, so of course I get paid!
I absolutely get paid for it, because there aren't many women willing or able to do it successfully. It is a valuable, beneficial, and sought-after service, and that is why people do pay for it- because they feel what they are getting is worth spending money on. It is not a necessity, but a "hobby." Most people do spend money on their leisure, whether that be travel, collecting art, going to performances, or seeing providers. On the other hand, I also believe providers serve an important role as far as sexual expression, intimacy, and stress relief. We provide both an emotional and sexual outlet, like a professional sex therapist or psychologist, we provide release for the physical body, like a massage therapist or reiki practitioner, and we provide fun, entertainment, and companionship, in addition to adventure and novel experiences- the hobby aspect. All things reasonably considered services requiring compensation. Everyone has individual needs and perceptions, but those who use the services of providers clearly seek them out because they feel that we provide something valuable, something worth experiencing. I work hard at what I do and absolutely deserve compensation like any other service provider or professional.
As addressed in this thread, there are times when sex is not enjoyable. When someone is disrespectful or arrogant, it is hard to enjoy sexual intimacy with them. When a gent uses excessive chemicals to alter his sexual response, it can be painful, uncomfortable, and frustrating. Sometimes, we have days where we just want to lie in bed and ignore the world- so does everyone. Sex might not be at the top of our list on those days. But that applies to all human beings and all relationships- male or female, hobbyist, provider, or civilian. It is in no way exclusive to pay-for-play.
XoXo
Marea
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Its simple. I can't cash an orgasm at the bank.
well, I agree with you, SOF, I personally think most providers LOVE sex and use that to make money while they enjoy what they do. Thanks to all of you gals.
If we could poll a list of the top ten things that providers* don't like about the business, I bet you won't find sex even listed among them. If anything, the sex is likely near the top of things they like the best (near, but not the best, which of course would be money).
*(that is not counting the streetwalkers, who generally have sex they can't enjoy, and take a few bucks to agree it isn't rape.)
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You know what's really hard? It's when you work your mouth off trying to get a guy hard and he just won't! Sometimes Viagra is the only thing that will help a guy get hard. I don't mind it. The guys I know who take Viagra are old and they really need it. Otherwise the whole hour is a total waste of time. And I found that the guys who pound you half dead are never guys on Viagra. They're just hairy, sweaty dudes out to prove a point!
I wouldn't take it just to get a second pop.
Providers on this board have railed against guys who have no problem getting hard, but who take it for the extra "umph" and end up having a hunk of horny marble between the legs. There has to be a little "give" to it, or else its excruciating for her. As you could understand, providers especially hate this with anal.
Some guys are sporadic, though. It's the most difficult thing to predict. For some guys, they could never anticipate when they're not going to perform. So, how long does V take to act once you know you're having a problem: 45 minutes?
For providers who say that they can deliver even when the guy is not hard, what they don't realize is that during sex getting hard itself is inherently pleasurable for the guy. She might make it very very good, but it's not the same.
but how about a fith or sixth pop? would you take it then?
Viagra does nothing for me, except give me a headache, but Cialis is great if I plan on having lots of sex. At my age I'll take all the help I can get
But they both interact badly with something else I'm taking. As a result, I could faint after using either of them.
Which one of the three out there works the best for a one or two hour appointment?
Are any of the three better about allowing you to pop in addition to getting a good erection?
Been taking max dose of viagra for awhile (100 mg) and it works most of the time- though less so lately, but have a very hard time popping! Just getting hard enough to do it is half the thrill though!
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I don't believe the providers who say that Viagra makes you so hard that it hurts. I mean, come on, we're still talking about a human penis here. I'm not a scientist or a doctor, but I'm pretty sure that Viagra doesn't turn you into a piece of concrete! Besides, has anyone visited an adult toy-store lately? I'm amazed at the things that women are sticking in their hooches these days. Some modern dildos are actually made of glass! Once again, I'm not a scientist, but I sincerely doubt that Viagra makes you harder than a piece of glass. And glass certainly doesn't conform to a vagina, does it?
What you have to remember is this is NOT the same as civilian sex. Civilian women mostly want you to stay hard longer, whereas providers mostly want you to finish quickly and go quietly. Hence their disdain for Viagra. I'm sure there are exceptions, but most providers aren't jumping for joy at the thought of a never-ending hardon. Despite what they may say, they just don't like Viagra because it makes you last longer than usual. What else would you expect them to say? It's not really that complicated.
I'm not sure I buy your argument Aug- my better providers are willing to go the whole time and encourage multiples, so they are certainly not trying to cut as short as possible -
Also I've noticed some of the really known fine providers I believe have responded on previous viagara threads- Sinthia if I am remembering correctly, and I really doubt she is self serving in her comments.
I think the bottom line is the guys who need it are going to take it regardless of the opinions here and the providers who object are still going to object! Certainly there are those who don't belong in the business who hate it as evidenced in the "rant" posts that were here recently!
The first time I took it, I had a boner I could have put through a door. I could imagine that being painful.
First about toys available: now, I would expect to read a few women giving away the store and saying it's because the guy lasts longer than usual. There are enough blogs and posts for this and I haven't seen that expressed. Yes, many sex toys are pretty hard compared to the real thing, but Aug, women don't jamb those toys all the way home rapidly and repeatedly. For glass, they like the "glide." They definitely wouldn't thrust those in forcefully-- for apparent reasons.
There are other, expensive, sex toys for imitating the actual "feel" of the real thing. I've heard of one brand called "silk-skin" and actually read a blog of a provider who promoted it, and loved using them in her free time. Those they might "jamb," (and DT if she loves that) Strap-ons tend to have some give in them as well.
Now, for the one who said it hurt, she said she had been scraped by a crack on one of her toys. When I think back on it, though, why would she advertise for sessions when she was injured? She couldn't do full CG-- and she usually loved that. It's the only time that ever happened to me.
So, my one experiment with a high dose of Viagra was inauspicious for all. Yes, I stayed hard. After the session, though, I became faint for several hours, and couldn't even stand without my vision going black.
I've had issues in the past with ED, almost surely related to anxiety and the adrenaline that goes with. So I got me some little blue pills and boing! A solid hour, no prob, but now I'm desensitized and there's no blast off. So my partner is wondering where's the explosion with such a nice woody for such a long time. I've even gone down to a quarter of the dosage once and get the same results. So I went back to plan A, and no wood. I just got a prescription for Cialis, which costs anarmanaleg. I don't know if this will be any different.
Yes, diveatfive, I have a hard time popping on Viagra and have heard many say the same- very frustrating, same dilemma- no viagra, no erection, yes viagra, hard to pop.
No one ever seems to answer the posts asking about the different ones and how they compare- Post after you try the cialis and let us know!
My first experience with Cialis was as advertised. It did not kick in as fast as Viagra did, but on day three, it's still working. I had an encounter with a provider and woody showed up very well. Might have been a little bit less desensitizing. Still the same problem with non explosion, though, and I still get the feeling that the dosage I need is quite small, so I'll try reducing the dosage. But I gotta say, being able to have sex in multiple positions for a couple hours is awesome, even without the full release.
I do find that penetration with plastic or rubber dildos or vibrators is uncomfortable at best, and extremely painful at worst. Even when I am controlling the thrust, when such an object gets more than an inch or two inside me, even very slowly, it is quite uncomfortable. I assume jamming it in and out, and deep, would be excruciating. What I do use toys for, is mainly clit stimulation, and also gently teasing the outer inch of my vagina.. but no strap-on sex for me.. when I'm with a woman I prefer the natural route- tongues, fingers, bodies touching.. *blush*
I do find something similar with high doses of Viagra. Of course, individuals who use a medication (for whatever reason) should take it if they so choose, as long as they've weighed the pros and cons for themselves- I'm not a doctor and am not one to judge. But there are alternatives that are worth looking into as well (I believe a product called Muse helps you get a natural feeling erection without some of the negative side effects of other chemicals). But as for those healthy gents who use such medicines to be a "stud" or to get harder/last longer than normal- this is risky and is frustrating for everyone involved, and does not impress us or make us likely to see you again. A big part of this is that we want to get you off and give you pleasure. No, not so we can rush you out the door- most ladies who have responded offer and encourage multiple rounds. We like to get you off because it is a reward of sorts for our hard work and ministrations, physical evidence of a job well done. It makes us feel good, and it makes you feel good. Of course there are occasions when the gent naturally doesn't get off at all in a session (this is normal on occasion for most men and women and can be due to stress, hormones, diet, meds..), and the effort is still pleasurable for us and them. That's okay too. But I'm sure it would be frustrating for a healthy gent, who is otherwise able to get off just fine, to take a drug and discover he was hard and horny but unable to achieve orgasm at all.
Also~ It really has nothing to do with providers wanting you to be done and leave early. No matter what, I charge per hour and I will be taking care of you for that entire time. I always encourage multiple pops, unless a gent informs me that he'll only be good for one pop, in which case I try to make it last. But either way, my clients are entitled to the entire time they have requested.
In addition, it's not that we want to spend the least possible time engaged in sex, either. I happen to enjoy sex. But I do have limits. Some discomfort I will tolerate for the sake of my partner's pleasure (ie. if he's getting close and I'm getting a bit sore, I'll ride it out for a few minutes), but when that line is crossed and it's getting painful, I will change things up- take a break for conversation, offer a massage, switch to oral or manual stimulation for awhile, switch positions.. There's more to sex than the ol' in-and-out. Much more!
Of course, there can be discomfort during any sex, whether drug-assisted or not, whether hobby sex or civilian. However, with high doses of things like Viagra, the point of discomfort tends to come much sooner in the session, and the discomfort is more pronounced. I do not usually enjoy being pounded by an unnaturally chemically hard dick, and I think most ladies agree. I also don't enjoy being fucked for 40-50-60 minutes straight.
And I don't think it's true that it has something to do with hobbyist/client vs. civilian boyfriend, or providers vs. civvie women, as someone suggested. No matter whether I'm with a client, boyfriend, or casual fuck buddy, I love sex, but I don't enjoy being in pain. Sex is an act that is naturally supposed to last for anywhere from 5-20 minutes, in general. It does take some guys longer/shorter to come naturally, and I'm more than happy to work with that, but more than 20 minutes of pounding and I'm ready to switch things up.
A big part of it is also how you fuck. A guy who is very aggressive sexually and prefers the "pounding" style will wear my delicate parts out a lot more quickly than a guy who alternates between shallow and deep strokes, hard and soft, grinding motion, hip swivel, in-and-out.. sex is an art! Lol. Seriously though. To me it is more pleasurable this way, and I'd bet for many men it is too.
The point being, we as providers want to give you pleasure and make the most of our time together. We take pride in this. Don't make things frustrating for yourselves and for us. If you are seeing a good, well-reviewed provider, there is little chance she will rush you out after the first round or deny you what you came for, so that is of little relevance. In fact, chances are pretty good she enjoys what she does to some extent, or she wouldn't be doing it so well. So don't think that we are out to deny you your second pop, or rush you through. We want to be able to satisfy you. Also don't think that what women want, sexually, is the hardest dick humanly possible (with chemical assistance) and longest pounding fuck in the history of our sex lives. That's a porn fantasy, and not what real women want. Help us help you!~
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Thanks for taking the time to opine. It was well thought out and an honest sharing of your feelings. Well done!
always well put....you bring alotta sensuality & sanity to the board, hope to meet you some day, but otherwise, i shall read your thoughts, thanks..