(to the OP):

Are you in the habit of confessing to committing crimes?

of a dumb op !

"You can post a bad review but she already has many"

If you are TOO STUPID to check out her reviews BEFORE you see her, then don't go crying when you get ripped off!!!!! It is NO ONE'S fault but your own! You are writing this under an alias. Evidently you have VIP, even if it is only temporary from having written a review. USE IT YOU STUPID IDIOT! DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFOREHAND, NOT AFTER THE FACT.

I don't condone the sort of behavior described, but she sure as hell doesn't deserve to be handed over to LE because of it.

This has to be the dumbest post ever written on TER.

That is, giving them and reading them? Or, are you just looking for an excuse to get revenge? Or, both?

what if the tables were turned and you were in the room when someone else thought of doing this. You go directly to jail and do not pass go either.
this business is built on trust and since she was not all you wanted you think its ok to blow her trust?
thats a real asshole move.
Please Mod flip this alias he is unsafe for any of us.
Just thinking of turning her in is also so very hyporcritical for cryin outloud you broke the law right along with her.

What a loser

and since you just saw her she may even still have the info she used to screen him with as well as any emails that went back and forth since she may have her lap top.

this is a a real dumbass move. One law breaker turning in another...

I'll bet that alias is female...

his alias will be flipped.

I don't think there is anything the least bit funny about turning anyone into LE for something hobby related, unless of course it comes to actual theft of property or physical attacks.

Aside from what I just said, you summed it up pretty well, the OP is exactly that "A BITCH ASS THAT NEEDS TO GROW A PAIR"

I usually let "my smarter brother" make posts like this because my real name comes up in red, but in this case, I want the OP to know exactly how I feel, and leave no doubt about who I am.

I really, really hope admin will flip his alias, I think everyone, especially the ladies deserve to know who this little coward is.

Let's say you knoiw a lady is running a scam, she is not a complete rip off but close, uses fake pics and has rush rush sessions, with guys lined up in the hallway.  Advertises one hour full service meetings then gets you out the door in 15 minutes with just a hand job if you don't pay up. You can post bad reviews but she already has many.

How evil would it be to call LE on your way out the door and also call the front desk when you leave and tip them off that they have a provider in the house and give them the room number. I wanted to do this recently but did not.

and the more public the better.

since ya'll asked ya know. lol

Unless, there are lives or someone's serious well-being at stake, move away from such thoughts as quickly and as fast as possible! A provider as such you have described will probably meet a worse fate than what LE can do to her, either from her pimp or one of the johns, but it is still not your business to be judicious in this regard. The provider whom you describe is a borderline ROB, but unless there is a robbery at going on a gun-point, just let it go. You'll be a smarter and wiser person to learn from your own lessons than getting your uncLE LEo involved. Just my 2 cents...

The whole premise of the hobby is that prostitution should not be a crime. By turning her into LE, you are repudiating the very premise of the hobby.

Alternative approaches for redress exist; including publishing her website and ads on your local board as a scammer, etc.

Now -- why on earth did you see someone with a stack of bad reviews? Did you think you are magical and that with you she'd be amazing?

you would have known she was not GFE.  You need VIP to read the details in the reviews.  The cost of VIP is way less than the cost of your bad date.

"with just a hand job if you don't pay up"????  why would you get anything if you don't pay up, Bro?

she and her pimp are doing the bait and roll to rip you off.

Sir.....why can't you just write a review? Seriously, are you that scared of a provider?

What you are doing is basically saying you do not agree with the way this person does her business. That is fine and your opinions should be reflected in a scathing review......or you walk out....or you don't pay her or any combination of the above.....all of the above would be nice. The "trick" to being a reputable, well reviewed, respected, and ultimately very sought after provider IS NOT TO "TRICK" ANYONE....she should just do her job...it is easier to be fair, be honest, and rock a mans world...than it is to TURN A TRICK. Hookers turn tricks like this....providers offer a well thought out reputable brand and a fantastic session....we are also fair with our potential and present client base.

What you are proposing to do is rat her and all her clients out to the po po which in essence means you are not fit for the hobby and at some point in time may become a complete snitch....for the sake of your own lack of experience, and because you don't have the balls to MAN UP AND WRITE A FUCKING REVIEW THAT SHE IS A FUCKING RIP OFF ARTIST.

Yup....I just cussed you out bc you are being a BITCH ASS!!! GROW A PAIR!!....or at least GROW ONE!

when we have Allure to keep the assholes in line.

guys are too dumb to walk out.   If you've paid & she pulls some scam, you are out the cash.  As you said she has plenty of bad reviews...  I guess you & the others did not read them.  Too bad.  I fell for this sort of thing once...  as a total Newbie...  before I found TER.  This is why Newbies are recommended to see well reviewed providers.  
NO, you can not get a refund.  You got taken.   There is a cost to learning your education...  either by taking the advise of those more experienced or by trying to go it alone.  
Write your review & write your losses off to education.  

VIP costs far less than even one spoiled date!
skb

but I draw the line at looking for validation for even considering an act so heinous. I have been every bit as harsh where it comes to providers threatening to out their clients over financial disputes.

Some acts are so heinous and so against everything that TER stands for that I don't believe that a "cloak of anonymity" should be granted. Some people need to be exposed for the slime buckets that they truly are, and the OP certainly fits that bill IMO.

Move On!Okay so obviously you knew what you were getting into when seeing this lady due to other bad reviews.So,why did you see her anyways?This is always puzzling to me a guy sees many bad reviews for a provider and still takes the plunge and then comes back here and complains.But,you are trying to take it one step further and not just complain but thinking about outting her to the hotel and LE.Not good at all!!
Karma is a mutherfucker so I do not even know why this question was posted asking if it is evil or not.If the lady doesn't provide great entertainment write a review to add to the bad ones she already has and move on.Anything beyond that is snitching on another because you do not like how she runs her business sir,you picked her nobody but you!Please get out of the hobby as you do not have a clue as to what you are doing this is obvious from your post.

Not only is what you are suggesting unfair, your acting like she put a gun to your head.  You had other options, you chose not to use them and continued with the date.  Those options are gone, get over it.  You still have options none of which should involve the police.  Write a review or expose her on your regional board.  Report her to the police and you may even make enemies of what should be allies.  Don't be surprised if you pull this crap if the police come up with your name one way or the other.  I'm sure this boneheaded post should help out your hobby career.
Doc

Trust me, from experience, chances are you will be the one getting burned trying to get revenge. Much as I don't like border line robs,you saw her reviews, you decided to  see her, your fault.i would say karma is a bitch and she will get what she deserves, but that's not true.just walk away

Think of it this way -- assume he gave her the money and she did nothing. Okay. So he's out whatever her fee is. Let's assume that's $$$.

What would the consequences be of getting LE involved? A criminal record, lost regular job opportunities, possible problems with child custody, plus more and more.

All over a lousy 300 bucks?

Instead of "an eye for an eye" that is akin to avenging a hangnail with a nuke. It is the mark of a person who is so narcissistic and incapable of empathy as to be bordering on psychopathy. It would be like me blowing someone away instead of just giving them the finger for cutting me off in traffic.

I make the same complaint about providers who out a guy's real name on the national blacklist over something like NCNS. Yeah, it sucks -- but it's just a few hundred bucks compared to the potential damage of the punishment.

The original poster really needs to get some perspective; and understand that a few hundred bucks is not justification for the level of horror and lifelong damage he could rain down on someone through LE involvement.

On the other hand, I disagree with flipping the alias. Why? Because he reported THINKING about doing something evil; and not actually having DONE something evil.

I do not fundamentally believe that people should be outed or punished for "thought crimes" or potential/imaginary/hypothetical wrongdoing. People should only be punished -- and only proportionately -- for *actual* wrongdoing.

Wow what a terrible thread. Should be banned as a member.

Its like being part of an illegal racing crew and you lost a race and got revenge by calling the cops and getting everyone arrested because he cheated or something.


Not only are you getting her screwed but anyone who came for a service. Dirtbag thread 100%

It's a pretty evil question. No sympathy from here.

I personally do not see prostitutes, but if you encounter someone breaking the law, you are suppose to turn them in.  It is your duty.  However, many ladies are not prostitutes, even though I've noticed they are all treated like they are prostitutes here on this website.  They are actually escorts or massage therapists or social entertainers or what have you.  Paying them money for their services is not a guarantee of sex.  That is clearly stated in their ads, though a lot of bone heads think declaring that in an ad doesn't count in their mythical world.  These are probably the Johns.  They think the LE monster is under every motel bed.  I can assure you there are only bed bugs, dead rats and used condoms there.  Nothing to be afraid of.  LE is nothing but a bunch of guys like us, doing their jobs day in and day out, and probably looking for a little sex now and then.  But if you encounter a prostitute, then you should do your civic duty and report their activities.  Prostitutes are very dangerous — do not try to arrest them yourself.  It would probably be a good idea to start a blacklist among concerned hobbyists.  That way we can avoid even getting into these situations in the first place.  Go forth and fight the good fight, my friend!

If I was a provider, I'd blacklist you NOW!

Tell us what you really think.  Sometimes your subtly might be lost on a poster as unthinking as the original poster.

The whole purpose of TER and other such boards is to address the very scenario you describe.  As others have stated, if you had utilized this board for its intended purpose (research and information sharing) and not to bitch and moan after the fact you would have saved yourself the $60 you were expecting to pay for FS (Lined up in the hallway? And you stayed? And you complain about the service? Really, dude? Really?)

Oh and another thing while you're playing the role of a selfish prick: even if you hate the lady put yourself in the shoes of the subsequent client after you've called LE.  He may just get busted along with her.  

We have a system that works...use it.

But you're right.

HEH!!!!  I think his alias should be flipped and his ass should be banned.  He's a punk!  but that's just my opinion, ya know, since you asked.

If that makes me the bad mod, I vote to flip his ass.  Oh wait, I already did, didn't I?  To quote someone that I cannot name "some people are too stupid to live".  Not pointing finger mind you.  It just popped into my head.

If she's a rip off, sooner or later, her business will dry out .. she'll fall flat on her face without you doing anything.

If you get the cops to arrest her, you are stooping to a very low level .. even lower than her.  She does not deserve to be arrested for posting fake pics or rushing a session.  She does deserve to be reviewed and rated.  Your punishment or retribution is too harsh.   Her problem: she needs money and does not like her job.  Your problem:  You have anger and hate - that's worsts than her problem. Cool down.

I've had one girl who was suppose to join another girl for a threesome with me. This other girl came in late and ask for her donation, telling me her brother needs money.  She takes her money off my hand and goes back to the car and drives off.  Yeah, she ripped me off just like that.  I even know her real name.  No, I was not angry.  I took pity on her.  And no, she was having real problems  and I don't think she was in the mood for providing. She does not deserve to by arrested but of course I was pissed but I moved on - water under the bridge.  In some ways, consider it a donation to help another human being in need.

i was trying to get ripped off by a provider along with her pimp, and i did have to make the threat of calling  LE cause i was threatened by the provider that the pimp would come and kick my ass if i didn't leave in 20minutes after having gave her the donation up front for an hour(this was a crazy bitch at that point). granted it was spur of the moment and i really didn't think of the repercussions to myself of calling LE(hence the name dig2graves) all i thought was fuck that bitch. but i did end up getting a portion of my money back(this was years ago by the way). not sure if you would classify this as a different situation, but the way i use to think was "you are gonna fuck me over...i will fuck you 100 times over"). from experience you realize it is better to just walk away , although at times it can be difficult to do so and nothing sounds better then getting back at someone,but don't.  so i can imagine the op is learning his lesson for the first time. make it count and don't be so foolish again. in regards to flipping the alias, i'd say no

Ok let me get this straight...

You read her MANY bad reviews and decided to book with her anyway.
You got there and saw she wasn't the woman in the pictures but decided to stay anyway.
You got crappy service but decided to pay anyway.

Now, despite ignoring enough flags to have a regatta your thought is to turn her into LE?

You fucked up...
repeatedly...

You want to add another even worse act to that?

I agree with the posters that want your alias flipped...
you didn't just in passing think you should call LE or tell the hotel,
you entertained that thought, so much so that however long after the fact you come here to post about it.  Your choice of words also says something about you; "how evil would it be?" you already know it would be evil, you just wanted to know if it would be a hobby venial sin or hobby mortal sin as if finding out it would just be venial you would do it anyway.

There are many risks to this "hobby", for the ladies the two worst being violent psychos and LE...
the only worse you could ask would be how evil it would be to go and see her again and beat the shit out of her...

In an earlier thread a guy mentioned accidentally shorting a lady $$$...
what would you think if her reaction had been to out him to his work and / or family for that?
That is about equitable.

In this situation you used and then promptly ignored all the things put in place to assist you in avoiding such situations...
so because you, in your vast stupidity, decided to disregard the tools available to you and the warnings you got, you want to bring in real world consequences?

This time for bad service and fake pics (which you knew about the bad service from her MANY bad reviews, and fake pics you knew about as soon as she opened the door), what will you want to call LE on next time? Not letting you try for a second pop at 50 minutes into the hour?  Not letting you stay 2 hours for the price of one?

You and your choices led you to the bad time, you saw reviews and didn't heed them, you saw a different woman at the door and stayed, but instead of taking responsibility for those choices you made you want to fuck up her real world?

You are pathetic.

There is no doubt that the OP is a whinny prick to even think of getting LE involved over getting shorted on time and what sounds like upsell,  but he did not do so. So while I think he is a loser, I don't think he should be flipped. Isn't one of the acceptable uses for an alias, "Ability to contribute where you would otherwise feel embarrassed to speak candidly.  Some are just too shy, but will post under an alias." Also isn't anther use for an alias, "Avoidance of suffering political fallout for a comment that may have been wrongly construed in a possibly volatile discussion.  Some of these regular posters are hyper-sensitive, and also don't read the whole post before going ballistic." The fallout would be great if flipped.

In short I think he is a "A BITCH ASS THAT NEEDS TO GROW A PAIR". but I don't think he needs to be flipped as he did not actually call the cops or out the lady to the hotel. Hopefully after all the ass ripping in this thread he realize how big of an ass he is and grows up. I know that is to much to ask for but still aliases work because they allow for honesty even when it will make you unpopular.

Now this paragraph is for the OP. It would be completely evil to call LE or inform the hotel as it would be hypocritical. YOU are a CRIMINAL just like her. YOU were her PARTNER IN CRIME. To even think of outing her like that over a bad date is not only stupid but also childish. Are you two? Like many here have said you need to quit being a whining loser, grow up and get a pair. If you can't please for everyone sake leave the hobby as you are not grown up enough for it.

But sense the dumb ass only thought about it, in my opinion, he should not be flipped. I don't believe in punishing thought crimes only real ones with real victims. I know this guy is stupider than a smelly ball of shit being pushed by a very retarded dung beetle, and was looking for validation for some real fucked up thinking. Yet, His actions did not hurt or endanger anyone as he did not act on those thoughts.

I am not arguing that he is a very fucked up "slime bucket" as he clearly is, but as long as he did not act on his stupidity, no need to out him. Who has not thought of some real stupid and heinous stuff in their life? I know I have. I know he is even stupider than most as he posted his stupidity on the board looking for validation but at the end of the day there is no victim.

He is not threatening anyone if he was I would be the first to yell flip his ass. He did not personally attack anyone. He did not act on his stupidity. I he did was prove he is a compete ass and dumber than shit. If he did any of the shit he talked about I would plea for him being flipped.

of course I would never do that even as a newbie, I know a little. I did not discover TER until after I met her, so I did not see any reveiws, I did not even know such as site as this even was out there, Had I known I would have not even bothered

but ut ter rummmmmmmmmmm let's agree to disagree bc........If I got up here and said:

"There is a hobbyist who is a chronic no call no show, is blacklisted for shorting girls, and he leaves skid marks big enough to land a jumbo double decker plane on..I did an appointment with him, he messed up my sheets, showed up late, drunk, and he shorted me ..so should I set him up and tell his wife he is a hobbyist?"

This is the same thing..........and the fact that he considered this is really not acceptable.

I think the guy is an ass. I just think a person should be punished for his actions not his thoughts. I would not want my wife to see this guy as he seems like a prick, but still don't think he should be flipped. Now in the example you listed I don't think the provider should be flipped ether on the same grounds unless she actually set him up and told his wife. Now if the guy in your example posted under alias that he often NCNS, shorted ladies, and did not wash his rear, I would call for his alias flipped in a heartbeat. The crime is in the action not the thought, so should the punishment. Having your alias flipped is a punishment.

We are going to have to agree to disagree. I have called for aliases being flipped, but only after they admitted to DOING something stupid. I agree that this guy, if he continues to think the way he did in the OP will likely do something stupid. I see why you and others are calling for the OP alias to be flipped as his thoughts were dangerous if acted on. Plus, he is an ass. I am not disputing any of that. I just don't think he should be flipped. I respect you opinion and those of that agree with you, I just don't share it.

P.S.  Allure I still think you are hot even if I disagree with you.

I have been a long time lurker in the tampa area.  We have 3 girls that come to mind who do just as the op was talking about.  Most reviews are 1 or 2 in performance always the same story old or fake pics, complete cash and dash or upsell to the extreme.  They change name every now and then or pictures or get a fake good review and away they go again.  Sometimes the old reviews disapear Why I dont know but they do.  What goes around does not always come around.  This hobby has its ups and downs but if you think it out and keep a clear head it seams to be more ups.  Of course this comes from a guy with 3 reviews of which 2 are toftt.  I think the board members have beat the crap out of the op deservedly or not.

...because it's shown how strongly most of us in the hobby feel about such an offensive and plain wrong move.

A newbie will get ripped off in exactly this way, let's be honest, it's happened to most of us at some time early on. It is what did  / should lead to better use of the boards and reviews to pre-select dates.

Three things:

1. Walk out of a B&S, it's the only way they will stop.
2. Don't be afraid to post a bad review if deserved.
3. It's been said before, but annual cost of VIP is the same as one bad date. Dumb move not to get it.

As for the flipped alias, no strong view either way.

calling your wife and telling her how crappy you are in bed.

I realize there are girls that are rip-offs. Every state has them. In this biz it's par for the course. But getting LE involved would only bring more heat on an already "verge of melting" profession.

Blast her everywhere....on boards, to anyone you know that hobbys, in a review on every board you can think of, back channel, or just chalk it up to a lesson learned and do better research on the lady you choose to see.

There is no need to attract attention where it is already swarming with more attention than needed.

Thanks FFP

as you said there was no excuse for his comments or contemplated actions.

This is the first time I have ever petitioned for an alias to be flipped, I am pretty much "live and let live" and am usually content to just publicly flog idiot posters, but IMO he crossed several lines that just should not be crossed under any conditions.

Now I find that you have been here for over a year. You ether kept a grudge for a long time or you are a lying sack of shit, maybe both. I was against flipping your alias but now I see you are a lier and deserved it. I shouldn't have argued with GaGambler and Allure as now with this new information I see that you are at best a lying troll if not then you are dangerous as you keep a grudge for a long time. Maybe your both. They where right. Your a bigger ass then I thought you where.

UH thats really evil! What are you gaining by doing something like that?Your fault your fuck up.
Your a snitch and a punk that hides behind an alias that got flipped.
Your a damn shame.

Okay this sounds like if you don't get your way, you will call LE!  If she provides bad service, simply write a review and move on.  It's too many busts in this business and you are only helping the situations wtf?