has been used in the most derogatory manner to bash guys and girls alike by a very vocal few, who are on a board for men, who in my estimation, are here because they are attracted to, and hopefully like women enough to want to engage in sex with them.

What I don't understand are the continual references made using the word "gina" ( originating from the word "vagina")with the prefix "man" attached, tampons and estrogen etc., used in a hateful, diminishing way. It's starting to look like anything female is looked upon as pathetic, feeble, wimpy and distasteful, even if it's meaning is to project something perceived as unmanly.

as long as it is attached to a female. When those traits are attached to what is ostensibly a man, of course they are derogatory. Just as it is with manly traits - when ascribed to a man they are positive, when ascribed to a woman we find them to be generally negative.

OK that makes prefect sense but do we have to be so rigid about these roles and perpetuate old stereotypes? I mean is this how this community thinks about gender roles in all walks of life?

Does that mean that women who have transgressed into areas that commonly were male dominated are looked down upon by those here and vice versa for the men? Or is it just related to the sexual side of things and how we do that dance?

Women get a pass most of the time. It's men who are held to rigid standards of behavior and demeanor.

I got used to it long ago.

Like FDS, Massengil, Light Days, progesterone, Leutinizing Hormone?  Look we can't hit them all.

However you are wrong, anything female is NOT pathetic, feeble, or diminishing in any way shape or form...........as long as those traits belong to a female.  We love females!  We are likely the best dates you've had.  Courteous, on time, clean, you name it.

The difference is, we see women as equals, NOT superior beings that should be coddled, protected, and babied!  Those of the -gina persuasion will jump in to disagreements as WK's, taking only a female point of view.

If you wish to be upset with either side, it should be the manginas.  They feel you cannot be on this or any other board without their protection...like a human condom!  They feel the need to suit up in the white armor and save the fair maidens from the beasts that would disagree with them.

Sadly, I think you have this all reversed, and are pissed at the wrong people.  We are NOT woman haters, as the manginas will have you believe.  We hate manginas who will not let a female stand on her own two feet.

I hope this clears it up for you, and I hope now you watch what happens in threads and see what I am talking about!

with maleness or femaleness. It's promogated by a few who show little to no respect to anyone here, and if a man communicates respect to a women, or verbalizes that he does respect women, whether they are civie or providers, he is slammed, by them, for being a mangina. There's been plenty of conjecture as to why they do it, whether they view women negatively due to some personality issues, or they just like to create and maintain theater similar to WWIII Smackdown. It really doesn't matter. The best way to reduce their influence is to not read and respond to their posts.

Could that be why there are so many angry men around?

You know this subject could be expanded but unfortunately most discussions over who has it harder/easier..men or women is rarely objective. Discussions are fraught with personal experiences, grievances and people have a hard time viewing the facts and figures that surround a topic such as this one.

I would love to remove gender and look at things from a human being perspective. Idealistic I know but other than reproduction and certain tasks that require brute strength, there is not much either sex can't do that the other one can.

Pity it's not seen this way...but I will admit that I do look at life nowadays from a very simplistic POV and it has made me happier.

I pick my battles, walk when necessary, and don't sweat what I have no control over.

Thanks...you post did shed some light. I am not mad at anyone...I was simply curious.

You are right...I prefer to fight my own battles, however saying that and doing that openly and with gusto on here is quite a different animal.

This board is not an equal playing field and everybody knows it. The ladies are held to s different standard as has been said many times before. In order for us to jump in and hash it out...we would need to post under an alias, risk losing business or possibly having our alias flipped(if I had one it would take me all of about 5 minutes to get it flipped if I was to let it fly)

In which moment? Relationships are much like wrestling, or judo matches. Things change moment by moment, and the ultimate winner of one match, will not necessarily be the winner in all the remaining matches. It's all in good fun. Well, not always, but if done right, and according to rules, both opponents can develop new strength of character.

I only thought the adjective, mangina, was used to bash the lovestruck client, not the women.  We all know you are really driving the buggy here.  I have never questioned a providers ability to run her business anyway.
That being said, I'm not going to email my ATF and tell her how much I miss her.
That would get quite a response from a few of the gents and you as well literbike.           TH

I like that..I don't want all the power all the time, nor do I want the opposite. I like the idea of a shift back and forth. However, it's rarely done right and he in lies the bitterness, resentment and anger on both sides

You have the essence of it already.  It is not an equal playing field but who is up-hill and who is down-hill depends upon what you care about and where you stand.

Those that hold the high ground rarely see it as unfair.  They think they have earned it or are due it.  It has been that way for the history of mankind.  We find excuses to first seperate and then justify why "they" are not quite as human as "we" are.

So long as we can discuss facts and reason we're OK.  When the reason is replaced by slurs and name calling it is already seriously ill.  Here the obvious biggest divide is based upon gender, but we fractionate further by independent/agency, price, where someone advertises, and a dozen more things.  In any scism discussion is the first step.  Thanks for posting the question.

I'm pleased you've 'adapted' as well - but it's not really such an accomplishment. You, by grace of being born with a vagina, have always had far more latitude in how you choose to deal with most societal norms. If you are reasonably attractive, your options go way way up.

Angry men? Yes, lack of power will do that to people. Lack of power when the conventional wisdom demands that you BE powerful will do it even better.

Nice that you have the options - enjoy them. They last as long as your looks, then they decrease exponentially. For men, if they manage to acquire some modicum of wealth or position, options increase with age. That explains the contempt some men show for women 'past their sell-by date' and younger women who seem to believe that they don't have one.

Knowing all this can make life easier to deal with, assuming one can rise above the pettiness that beckons. Sadly, that is not always the case.

Do what I do....

Everyone's an asshole until proven otherwise!

Something i said to a coworked years ago.

The concept still holds true

xoxo

Lina

Bad relationships, yeah.

A good one is an equitable partnership.

Let's call it what it really is: psychopathologization of approaches to hobbying or points of view with which those who call people "manginas" disagree.

So it has nothing to do with possession of female traits. It is simply name calling to suppress dissent.

John, you are correct.  But their own words make that evident to anyone who wishes to notice.

When people use words and phrases with an obviously hostile, demeaning intent they do NOT select words that represent things they hold dear.  They pick words they think will connote demeaning images.

When is the last time someone tried to imply another person was evil by loudly shouting, "You bunny rabbit!"?  Or tried to mock someone's intelligence with, "Your just a dumb Einstein!"?

The backpedaling on this thread are just quickly formed excuses.

TER land is just a microcosm of the real world with some twists.

Many of the "real world" impediments to uncouth behavior by men so inclined, woman bashing, sexism, etc. do not apply here.

Many men here truly love women. Many do not. I will not go so far as to say that they fall neatly into mangina versus mangina-wannabe camps. However, the groups are there. Either is just as likely to be a poor client, IMO. Though, I'll give the nod for potential problems to the he-man-woman-haters.

It is each providers choice to enagage with either brand of client, or not.

possession of female traits.
You are in denial.

How dare you put reason into this! (EOM)

x

“Women get a pass most of the time. It's men who are held to rigid standards of behavior and demeanor”

You may have read the Myth of Male Power but....you might want to expand that syllabus before you make the above statement with a straight face.

Pick your label----no matter. Sexism. Misogyny. Homophobia. Fear.

And, it has very much to do with the perceived possession of female traits.


BS, indeed....

as you can see, those who whine the loudest about being constantly "bullied" have been busy this whole thread attacking, calling names, hell, Johnboy even made up a new psychology term.  In Alfalfa's mind, I am a "pigly-man (god I love that one).
What you might notice is that I have NOT posted 30 times to make my point..These guys love to see their sewage in print.  So they go on, and on, and on!  "This is unfair", "you're so mean", "I'm so angry I could just spit".
Actually I could care less.  If the ladies feel better having one of them mount his steed and fight their battles, so be it.  Do they make you feel safe? LOL.  At least we know which side of the fence we are standing on.  They are all sitting on the top, with no real direction.

OH...hey "guys"...I just got handed this note.  All of you in the girl scout troop better get moving or you'll be late for Stan's baby shower!
You wanna miss all the fun games????

What are the traits that are exclusively female that  are exhibited by "man-ginas" that earn them that moniker? Are they seen as generally positive traits or generally negative traits? are they neutral traits?


As for the idea that options exist for women so long as their looks hold out, I respectfully disagree.
Being a classically unattractive woman, I get the most leeway in societal norms. I get ignored, am generally invisible to most, and on more than  a few occasions get treated badly, but because no one particularly wants to have sex with me, how I reply to things is very open.  

If I act in a non-feminine manner, it is generally forgiven or over looked since there is no standard of attractive that I must live up to.

Freedom to behave with a certain level impunity comes with no one "wanting" you.  I can act like a bitch or a prick and it doesn't matter.  I can act like a pussy, or have huge a "set of balls" and it doesn't matter.  I have  an odd freedom to generally be judged by who I am, not by what I have or how I look, once people take the time to notice me that is.  

Attractive women get leeway in behavior mostly because someone wants to fuck them (which is a touch patronising) not because anyone approves of their behavior, but because they will act like they do to gain favor.

Wealthy men get leeway in behavior because people want to use them for their money, or power, or connections, (again a bit patronising) not because  of who those men are as people.

Sadly, people tend to be nicer to people they want something from, in the case of "hot" women it is sex, in the case of successful men it is a share of that success in some form.

When you have nothing to offer another in those categories, then people will treat you simply as an individual, and it is comforting. I know if a guy, say, takes me out for crab legs, he probably did so because he likes me as a person.  *grin*
...that or he wants to fuck my friend *smirk*

For an example of its use in the American Journal of Psychiatry, see this article:

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/159/6/1075

Since you were obviously incorrect in that attribution; it is possible you are incorrect in others.

Thanks for playing.

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/112464970/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

Yes, indeed. Attributing adverse attributes to people with whom you disagree is, in fact, psychopathologization of dissent.

It was first practiced as a form of control on a large scale by the USSR.

Lots of men here have an extremely low opinion of women and would hardly associate with them at all if they didn't have a pussy to fuck. It's not that they think of women as pathetic or distasteful, they just don't even think of them at all unless they need to get an itch scratched.

There are women on this board who, either aliased or not, express some pretty low opinions of men.

When you add this to to low opinions of men (especially husbands and fathers) expressed implicitly in major media, etc. -- some proportion of men is likely to feel embattled.

Some of the opinions you see expressed by men are a form of misogyny that would not exist were it not for their exposure to misandry. And some of the opinions you see expressed by women are a form of misandry that would not exist were it not for their exposure to misogyny.

there are always individuals to consider. No generalization survives when pegged to an individual.

But consider: freedom to wear what is traditionally considered gender-specific clothing ie skirt as opposed to pants - woman are free to choose, men are not.

Freedom to engage in same-sex play, again women have profound leeway, men do not lest they be labeled gay. Hot women are not only permitted such play, it's hot - for both sexes.

Freedom to pursue what are traditionally considered gender-specific careers - women may follow 'masculine' career paths while men who are drawn to what are considered 'women's work' are looked down on or labeled as less than masculine.

As Farrell points out in his book, when a woman marries she has 3 choices: she can keep working, she can be a stay at home wife/mother, or have a mix of the two. When a man marries his choices are: keep working, keep working or keep working.

I absolutely agree with your assessment of wealthy men/hot women - it's the nature of the beast. As for freedom coming from 'no one wanting you' I respectfully submit that Joplin (channeling Kristofferson) was right - it's just another word for nothin left to lose. Or not letting what people think govern how you act or what choices you make. Those with the courage to be themselves can stay above it.

Crab legs are, of course, in their own category.

I hope people do read every post, especially your reply to this one.

You said I've attacked and called people names in this thread.  Where have I done that?  Please point out one place in this thread where I have done that.

You said I am angry.  Again, since I don’t find that in any of my posts here please enlighten me where I said one angry word here.  Where?  It wasn’t my intent so please point it out to me so I can correct the misperception.  Did my use of the smiley face confuse you that I was angry, was that it?

You claim I've jumped to a lady’s defense in this thread.  Where did I do that?  Point it out to me.  You must speak a different dialect of English than I do because I can’t find any such statements.

This thread, as most are, is a conversation.  One person says something, another replies, a 3rd & 4th build upon it, then the 1st might fold in a new wrinkle or clarification.  Most conversations not only allow but expect people to talk more than once.  Are you advocating a limit on posts per thread?

Why, in your opinion, is “Pigly Man” vastly different than “Mangina”?  Aren’t they both cross-pollinated terms describing one sex or the other?  Though I did not use the term in here at all until now (in reply to your use of it), it is exactly what this thread is all about.  Attributing physical traits to someone who clearly does not have those physical traits.  Do you find it unpleasant when the distorted mirror is turned in your direction?  Or is there something “different” when you use the term “Alfalfa”?  I am sure you mean that as a term of endearment, right?

Mongo, you called me out individually (read your post again before you claim you did not) and I am challenging you on what you said about me.  I have pointed out 5 specific areas where I believe your post is blatantly false.  I don’t expect for one minute you will respond to my questions but I hope you do.  Since you said I did all these “bad things” IN THIS THREAD then I expect your answers will point to examples where I was ill behaved in any way IN THIS THREAD.

I hope you surprise me and do answer the questions.  We will see, won’t we.

PS:  Since I'm the one who has been supposedly name calling I have to assume your baby shower comment was real.  It couldn't be an attacking slur since you don't do that.  How was it?  Is Stan having twins?  What is it like to be a Den Dad?  Or is it Den Mom?  With an alias it is so hard to tell.

sex with these ladies,NOT reading about it in articles.  Genocide was also practiced in the USSR under Stalin. (he killed more people than Hitler aamof), so Russian science is not something I care to dabble in.

Once again!  We do not hate women (for those who love the stooopid term mysogynist (or whatever).
The manginas are the problem, only because they are such a paradox.  They worship women, yet at the same time feel that they cannot stand on their own two feet.  Once the WK thing gets to a certain point, they morph into manginas.
You are actually the ones the ladies should worry about, as you see them as needy, weak humanoids that require constant nurturing and protection!

Now go stand by the window and wait for the mailman to deliver your new copy of OMNI.  You can jack off to pics of neutrinos being formed in a particle accellerator!!!! (just like childbirth, huh?)

STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In case you read this, as I suspect you will Mongo, nothing I could say in response would be more detrimental to your image than the past few posts you have just made.  Taking the mantle of righteousness and then immediately self-immolating in the name calling you spoke out against.  It isn't even original.  Look at Just_Sctatching's post yesterday.  Are you two the same person?

Almost pitiful.

This subject has raised what I can only call quite bipolar thoughts. Some people are either at one extreme or the other. I have never like extreme anything, so I sit quite comfortably in the middle or on the fence where I can see both perspectives quite well. It's when you get on one side or the other you fail to see over the fence and therefore miss some of the good aspects of both sides.

Thanks to everyone who contributed..great debate

commitment, I hope to be at your level of Totally Pitiful one day!  You are my inspiration Algina!

That I don't have sex with women?

Interesting.

But either way, WTF does that have to do with the fact you decided to attack me as a person rather than own up to the fact that you accused me of making up words just because you were unfamiliar with them?

Bashing me doesn't change the reality.

Sorry, never seen OMNI. Maybe I am too young?

BTW, we agree on Stalin. Facts are facts, and he and his predecessor killed way more people than the Nazis.

Your behavior in this respect is, IMO, self-defeating. For one thing, I'm pretty far from being a mangina in the areas that matter. For another, posturing in this context is wasteful.

Cutting me down does nothing to build you up.