so that makes it a liitle more awkward
Not with a wife or a SO lol. Im single and she would tag along as a friend. Im going to a tropical island with my parents and siblings and their spouses. So she would be interacting with my family and I truly feel comfortable with this girl.
She has already been to my hometown, so I know we can get along for a few days together. We are close to the same age, so nothing would really be out of the ordinary other than she looks like she is out of my league. But my family needs to know that we are just good friends.
Would any of you consider doing this? Is it too risky?
She likes the idea and doesn't seem to mind going with me and my family.
Maybe Im crazy for even considering this. I would just like your thoughts.
well if you have seen her acouple of times and are comfortable thats cool. I would do I trial run with family first to get their in put of her but as far as her not minding it I think any provider wouldn't mind it cause you are going to be paying her for it. Even as close as you think you are, and I am talking from expierence, you still pay them for it. even if you pay her way for the trip you are gonna pay for all the rest too. think about it is she worth all that money.
My parents just thought she was yet another one of my girlfriend and didn't really ask much questions or make a big deal out of it. They are always friendly nonetheless. When I introduced her to my brother, using her real name (it was a civvy event for her as well), he claimed he could swear he saw her somewhere.
Eventually he did recognize who she is. You should've seen the surprised look in his eyes. LMAO
Since she was taking classes where I was also at, story of how we met came quite naturally.
Of course providers won't mind as long as you're paying... or if she's dating you. lol
If there's not unreasonable expense or drama associated with it, it sounds like a no-brainer. Go for it.
I've been on vacations with SOs in the past where the bullshit and drama made me wish I'd gone alone. As long as she's not going to embarras you and start talking about ho'ing in front of Mom and Dad or doing tricks out of your room, how much worse can it be?
I suppose you could be in trouble if Mom and Dad like her so much that they start pressing you to give her a ring, though!
Dude go hang with your family. Only bring a girl if she's your gf. Bad idea. Your parents will be asking about her. Don't put yourself in a position where you will be lieing to them.
Go use game and pick up girl looking to have some vacation shenanigans. Ever heard of "Hawaii syndrome"?
Go bang the provider girl when you get back. She will be there.
Lieing to my parents wouldn't be the best. Cause I know after we get back and down the road, my family will be asking about this girl.
Part of me wants to bring her along and the other part of me wants to do your idea. Use my game and try to hook up with other chicks on vacation.
If she's personable and attractive...your parents will be asking about her for at least a year and than off and on after that. "whatever happened to so and so"...
Dude you are a young buck...go run some vaca game.
This is a slam dunk.
Oceanfun78's advice is right on target. This is as bad as, pardon the expression, shitting where you eat.
Go use game and pick up girl looking to have some vacation shenanigans. Ever heard of "Hawaii syndrome"?
Go bang the provider girl when you get back. She will be there.
We are planning a road trip of a couple of weeks that will include visiting my family. I have absolutely no qualms about it, and I am thirty years her senior. lol
My mother will be fine with it, her BF of several years is a year younger than me. This is going to be fun. lol
As long as your family finding out about the true nature of your relationship won't be the end of the world for you, I say "why not?" I bet you it will be a lot more fun with her than without her. After all who wants to go to a tropical paradise and not get laid? Besides what could be more fun than fielding the questions from your siblings that start off with "where the hell did you find that gorgeous creature?" and "what does she see in you?", no reason to answer, a simple smile will do. lmao
Seems like she does, cuz she has to be at least 70 or 80 if you're in your 50s. lol
While I am 30 years older than my "friend"
but in terms of game, I can only hope I am still a horndog at my mother's age.
Just tell your family you met this girl at the mall and you're dating or friends. They probably won't think anything of it.
A few years ago, I went on a vacation with a client and his 13 and 11 year old sons. I was daddy's new "girlfriend." It was fun! I even met his ex-wife. No one thought anything of it or asked me any questions.
with a Las Vegas escort are probably going to be two very different deals. I'd have to answer so many questions if it were my siblings, no way. I could probably swing the money part, but man, multiple days, that's going to be an expensive vacation. Sounds like fun though if your family is cool, good luck if you go for it.
so that makes it a liitle more awkward
I have too many siblings that are too noisey and ask way too many questions. A family vacation is exactly what it is--with your family. Can't just bring a stranger with your family and they interact, its just too weird cause you'll be fucking her.
If however, its just the two of you in a vacation, I see no objections. Guess every1 is different, and my moral standards may be different from yours.
Don't worry about what others think. Have a great time!
Make sure you have some basic info on her and the same from her on you. I took a provider to a ball game, she was stunning and a couple years younger than me. The problem is that she drew a lot of attention supporting her home team, and was very talkative with the crowds, but she could not get her story straight, especially when the booze kicked in. Lucklly it was towards the end of the game, then we left to have fun at the hotel. She even made the big screen on the ball park, it did not help that her DD were hanging out there 
Women can usually see through other women's game while most men cannot. Your mother and sisters are going to take this girl on a shopping trip or some other pretense in order to spend some "girl time" with her and get to know her better. After all, if you bring this girl on a "family vacation," that's introducing her to your family in a way that they will think you are serious about her and will want to find out what kind of choice you are making. It could turn ugly or it could put the women in your family in a state of concern they will confront you with later after the vacation is over. Providers give off "provider vibes" which are very appealing to men. That's part of the attraction, but if the women in your family pick up on it, you may have some 'splain' to do. Just my thoughts on the matter. Nothing wrong with wanting to share a good time with an ATF.
On the other hand, it would make for an awesome story you could share with Tucker Max if you pulled it off. He would be jealous he hadn't thought of doing that, especially if it created a state of chaos.
Good luck! 
It is a new way to show that your a John without saying you a John. Then if your family inquires then they know they should of named you John.
In that situation, you'd only get about half the enjoyment of being with her, and maybe a lot less.
You're going to have to keep your hands off her, for the most part. You're going to have to watch everything you say and do in the presence of others. You're going to be paying for her time, while she gets dragged by the other women to go shopping or something else. Of course, that assumes the other women don't resent her being there because she's attractive and looks good in a bikini, while they look like over-the-hill housewives or mothers. I've seen that dynamic in action and believe me, it's not pretty.
And then, as others have said, even if it goes well you'll have all the questions to answer for the next year.
I'd much rather take her somewhere nice when you return and can actually have some fun and be yourselves. To me, that would be a real vacation, whereas what you've described sounds like a potentially awkward situation.
PDA's might be a bit limited in deference to his family, but they're going to be together on a tropical island, they are going to have plenty of alone time.
and just what kind of questions is he going to have to answer if he never brings her back that would be any different if he brought or hooked up with a civvie girl?
Every families dynamic is different, I see a bunch of people projecting problems that might not exist in his life.
Every situation and family is different, and neither of us know jack shit about the poster or his relationship with his family members.
But I've had family members make things difficult with my GFs, usually unintentionally, and can only imagine the situation would be worse if was based on deception.
Between my two sisters and my mother, any girl in this situation would feel like she was on the witness stand and the prosecutor was trying to get a conviction.
At least this is what my previous GFs told me after social situations with my family. Like I said below, maybe I just have a shitty family, but I can't imagine a girl enjoying herself in this situation.
It sounds like no one should be subjected to your family, much less some poor girl just trying to make a living. lol
As I said before, I think most everyone here is guilty of projecting their own family problems into the situation that most likely don't even exist in his family.
At 22 guys fuck all sorts of women they aren't going to marry, at least the "normal" ones do. Whether they are P4P or otherwise, some people give their families waaaay too much control over their lives. Sorry, but I don't buy into that mentality. I have been making my own decisions about my life since fifteen, and although I too might be "projecting", I like making my own decisions about who I fuck.
The women in most anybody's family will always be sizing up the women that a family member brings home.
The reasons are A. They're women and this is what women do. B. They want to see if the new girl is good enough for their brother. C. They want to see if the new girl would fit in and be a good addition to the family.
It doesn't matter if you're not going to marry her, women don't know how to not do this- it's just in their DNA.
And BTW, a dozen other people on this thread have said the exact same thing to the OP as I have, so why is it such an issue for you when I say it? This has been a repeating pattern on this board.
and you were the one that brought your own "shitty" family into it. lol
Fact is, we don't really know anything about the OP except what he tells us, so none of us can really give him anything more than general advice, there is no "one size fits all" advice on this subject.
I'm just doing my weekly catch up on past threads I have missed and just wanted to comment. I am the oldest and I have two brothers. I have never cared about who they date. I'm not a social person in general. I have met plenty of my brother's girl friend and the most I've said to them is Hi (which actually tends to cause more issues with the gf because she then assumes I don't like her. Not true at all, I just don't see the need to hold a conversation unnecessarily).
I don't think all women (be they sisters or mothers, aunts or grandmothers) are "mother hens" and want to even spend time with the "girl friend". I know I would loathe going on a shopping trip with some random female, though I don't really like shopping anyway, so that could be me.
On the other hand, if his family is the type to ask waaaay too many questions, then your advice is definitely warranted because I think it would probably cause drama and wouldn't be enjoyable for the hobbyist or provider.
Why not ?
Most of my Janes book me for extended date ,family re unions , vacations, and social functions.
A 60 year old closet lesbian booked me for a week visiting her parents .
Had fruit cake after dinner every night.
The only performing I had to do was jump on the bed every night while she farted.
That is really sad. Can't you find someone to go with you without paying her?
Honestly, that is such a rude question to ask!
What is wrong with making an investment in someone who will guarantee you a wonderful time?!! I have been introduced to family members of clients who I've known for years. I have been to dozen events where we run into their colleagues, acquaintances, heck even their children. I never want to put my client in a embarrassing situation and always make sure we both have a thorough story to cover us.
I guess you think hobbying is only cool when you are solely just paying for sex- god forbid a guy would like to enjoy the time he is paying for outside the bedroom.
For a guy in his early 20s to bring a "Pro" to a family vacation is sad.
P4P is great to get experience or to be able to sample different women without deceiving someone into a one night fling.
However if he has any ability to get a civvie girlfriend or to score on a vacation setting that is a much better experience for someone his age.
If some 50 year old dude with a BMI of over 40 wants to go on a vacation with a sexy pro, that's one thing and understandable but for a 22 year old, it seems rather sad and a waste.
He has never mentioned that money was a factor, and he did mention that she was hot, or as he put it "out of his league".
I'll agree that P4P should never completely replace the old fashioned way of getting laid, but quite frankly I don't see any real problems here.
My first P4P was at the ripe old age of 15. When I was the OP's age of 22, I lived in Vegas, got plenty of civvie pussy yet still banged the occasional hooker just because it was fun. At 52 I still manage to get a twentysomething into my bed without paying for it, so the hobby hasn't taken away from my game. Personally I think it has added to my game. At 52, and not being attracted in the least to women of my own age, without the hobby I would probably come across as desperate, trust me "desperate" is not sexy. lol I thank P4P for keeping pussy in it's proper perspective.
Dude, wtf? Legit thread and honest question. Maybe the BT could give you a few tips on lining up good dates in LV since home base is not treating you so well? daS.
TRUE STORY....
I was in a relationship with a "Hot as Fuck" stripper for about six weeks but kept the interest secret for so many reasons.
In a short period of time I noticed that she was getting very pushy when it came to the subject of meeting my family and being able to hang out with my friends.
I had fallen for her but didn't have the nerve to admit it to the world as yet.
Then came the Sunday afternoon that my mother answered a knock at the front door and there completely unannounced stood Corrine.
Shit !!!
Long legs in skin tight jeans connected to the best ass on the planet. She was wearing a tight v-neck sweater with out the benefit of a bra because her youthful breasts were that perfect. If only her erect nipples would have taken a break every once in a while and relaxed I may have been able to relax a little as well.
I remember my father looking at me with a slight smile that he tried to hide and I noticed that my mother stuttered for the first time in her life.
"Too much make-up" she later said.
Corrine was down to visit and was looking for a place to stay. Of course my dad volunteered our house. Why not, but she would have to share a room with my then 14 year old sister.
Oh no, Please, I'm not comfortable with this I said to myself over and over again.
That evening we were all sitting down for dinner and my dad walked behind Corrine as she was about to sit and she jerked as though my dad goosed her on the way by.... he was mortified, blushed and quickly explained to my mother that Corrine was just joking and it didn't really happen. Corrine laughed at my fathers predicament. I remember my mom drank a lot of wine that night.
OMG, you gotta love stripper humor.
Long story short, the next morning my sister told my parents how much she really liked sharing her room with my new girlfriend. She did add however that it was a little bit weird though because when Corrine got ready for bed she washed her eyebrows off and had no hair on her vagina.
My mothers stuttering ended the following month when Corrine and I called it quits.
You have lived a charmed and interesting life, my friend!
I dont think your thinking with the right head..You are a smart man.. there are many young guy hobbyists that see providers but you may want to keep it seperate from your "REAL world"
I love your" boytoy" image ..
There are lots of hobbyists that are 21 enjoying the best of both worlds..
I think very highly of you and I remember you when you were a newbie..: )).. please ,,, word of caution ..
Dont mix the two ..
I mean that from my heart.. There is a great world out there and at 21-22 enjoy it.. See what life has to offer without mixing the 2 worlds.. I dont want you to be hurt or dissappointed..
You deserve to enjoy all of life.. keep your hobbying private.. I see it as a place that teaches you and has alloted you great experiences but at 21-22 life is your oyster..
See what fun you can get into on an island without a provider..
Ill bet you it will make you enjoy both the fun of being singgle and also, being a hobbyist
Big warm xoxo Lorena
Big xoxo to you from your original MILF..
lorena de leon
Good advice. Glad to see cool chicks like you LL and Kate throwing in your two cents.
Every bit helps a ton. I probably am thinking with the wrong head. Keeping it seperate from the real world may be best.
and the advice of many others. Don't do it. You really do want to keep the two worlds separate.
I love your" boytoy" image ..
There are lots of hobbyists that are 21 enjoying the best of both worlds..
I think very highly of you and I remember you when you were a newbie..: )).. please ,,, word of caution ..
Dont mix the two ..
I mean that from my heart.. There is a great world out there and at 21-22 enjoy it.. See what life has to offer without mixing the 2 worlds.. I dont want you to be hurt or dissappointed..
You deserve to enjoy all of life.. keep your hobbying private.. I see it as a place that teaches you and has alloted you great experiences but at 21-22 life is your oyster..
See what fun you can get into on an island without a provider..
Ill bet you it will make you enjoy both the fun of being singgle and also, being a hobbyist
Big warm xoxo Lorena
Big xoxo to you from your original MILF..
lorena de leon
Had a provider girlfriend that I introduced to Mom and that I took to a convention of the American Bar Association where she met some of my colleagues. She could be a bit zany, but that's why I liked her. There were no downsides.
However, when I did all of this, I was pushing 40. Take the advice of the provider above...if you're in your early 20s, I'd agree that this is not the time to do this. She's right; the world is your oyster.
Have fun!
Wait wait wait. When I was 21 the world was not my oyster. I was getting shut down by monied guys in there 40s. Now that I'm one of those guys the world finally is my oyster. Then again at 21 I couldn't afford this hobby... JMO
Now that I am that "old fuck" my POV has changed dramatically. lol
I got plenty of pussy in my twenties, but I get a lot more now. and paying for it is a relative term. Nothing can be more expensive than "free pussy"
Bad idea, I wouldn't do it .... good luck.
Is this provider/ATF of yours capable of putting on whatever act you need her to put on for as long as you need her to? Is she the kind of self-actualized person who can be around someone's family and take it all in stride?
Wouldn't you just assume that the woman knows what she is doing? If she was to agree to go on the vacation with him and his family she would be entering into this with her eyes opened.
i would only assume that the woman MIGHT know what she's doing. Has ever single person who has ever said, "I can handle this" been right? Case in point, many of us here wonder if the OP can handle what he's proposing.
You should keep the hobby at arms length from the rest of your life. If you wish to take the lady away on a romantic and exotic vacation to the islands, I would strongly suggest doing so with just her. Any lady you bring along on vacation with family as you describe is going to attract attention as a potential future in-law, so I would steer clear of this.
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How prudish we all are that think this is a bad idea. Anyone hear of the RENTAFRIEND website? So men pay for sex, companionship , whatever. NO different than marraige IMHO - or even a committed relationship. Some people have the finances in any kind of relationship and some do not. What is the difference when you use a trainer, a therapist etc..... oh yes legality ( well that is asinine but I love where I live) ah geee I better stop typing and get off my soap box before I stick my foot in my mouth
The issue is should he do it on an extended vacation with his family.
Every family is different, but between my mother and two sisters, it would be a nightmare scenario for both me and her because of all the questions and scrutiny.
I didn't even want to take the woman I eventually married home to spend time with my family. But maybe I've just got a shitty family.
....know for sure what the trip will be like if you bring her, or if you don't bring her.
Do you have "game" or "mojo," as said above? Will you be able to score companionship, get laid with a civvie girl or 2 or 3 while you're there?
And do you want that? It's not like civvie girls don't bring their own complications, sometimes. You might meet a girl on the first night, have sex, then decide you want to move on. What if she doesn't? Or vice versa?
Bringing the provider along is more of a "sure thing." Only you know how your family will react to her, and she to them. I say, if your gut tells you it's a fun thing to do, go ahead.
Didn't you already tell this girl that you were taking her? She may be devastated if you change your mind now. Additionally, some Providers have class... some don't. Some remain intact when interrogation strikes... some cannot. Some are enchanting, liked by all, whose cover is never blown... some aren't. Many individuals do not fit the mold of their stereo-type, especially in this industry. Be very certain which of these she is & assume her degree of adjustment accordingly.
There have been lots of great points made for both the pros & the cons for both you & this Provider. But in my opinion & as such stated, every situation is unique, complete with its own side-effects. Each time we take a risk, we can only propose the outcome without hindsight, hence life. So here's how I would handle it: if she's really that awesomely worth it, take the chance (if this so turns out as the case...) or you'll never know the worth of an outcome that was ardently unforgettable, & the feeling of superiority when everyone else said you'd fail. This is despite the fact that one should generally keep these two worlds separate for obvious reasons. However, if there is a shred of doubt in your mind that anything negative, minute or epic, would endanger that which is important to you (family's view, the 3rd degree, deception probabilities, her mental comfort), & only you knows the general interaction demeanor of your family, then I would say to you, "Don't do it! There are likely plenty of Piranha in that tropical sea!" Each & every one of our lives are distinctly diverse from any other. I would write a list of probable cons, a list of probable pros, then compare the two & see which outweighs the other. The difference between choice & opportunity are the benefits. Regarding your specific situation, aside from anyone else's opinion, would taking this girl be a worthwhile opportunity for you, or just a matter of choice?