Based on the thread below about cutting breaks.  It got me wondering about grandfathered rates.  Sure rates go up all the time, but there are two ladies I know where I pay the same rate from 3 years ago.  Both have raised their rates since then.

Now, part of it is economic on their end.  They both purchase incall hotel rooms.  Because I've known them for a long time and trust them, they come to see me at my place, thus saving them the cost of a room.  The other part is, they simply like me enough to charge less, or at least so they say.

So, my question is, if you have seen a lady a few times and her rates go up, is it out of line to expect your rate to stay the same?  Now, obviously, it is up the lady.  If her rate goes up, she may be looking to price people out she doesn't want to see.  But, personally, I see no harm in asking.

and it seems most clients expect to grandfathered in at the rates they initially paid (well, as long as her rates go up they want their original rate, if the rates go down they tend not to want to want pay their original rate instead of the new lower rate).

I don't think there is anything wrong with inquiring about grandfathered rates if a lady's rates go up, worst that can happen is she says "no" that the new rates apply. Then it is up to the client to decide of he thinks the new rates are fair for the service or not.  

Here is an interesting question though...
if a lady won't "cut a break" or grandfather rates many clients say she is all about the money, and doesn't value or care about the client...
but if a client doesn't want to pay higher rates, or give a lady money just because she is on hard times without expecting anything in  return is he all about the money, and doesn't value or care about the lady?  *smirk*

thinking of the economics of it:

In my example, my two friends realize that it is a better deal for them.  An average hotel room in my city with tax is about $150 for an average room.  If they want to see someone, they will charge them their regular rate of $350, netting themselves $200 - assuming they don't use the room again.  When they charge me my 2007 rate of $300, they don't have to rent a room, and they net the full $300.  It's win-win.  I'm happy they are happy.

The other thing is that in most businesses, it is more expensive to find a new customer than it is to retain an existing one.  Using the prices above, not counting the incall issue, by giving a $50 discount, the lady doesn't have to hassle with the unknown.  There's a cost (if only time) to screening, wondering whether the guy is legit, what he's going to be nice or not even if he passes screening.  In that case, it may be worth forgoing $50 to the lady.  Win-win also.

I always put extra in the envelope. Always, and without exception. Until I hand it over, it is MY freakin' envelope and I can put whatever I want in it. It just so happens that it is always more than the lady's rate.

What do I expect in exchange for that? Nothing, because the ladies I see open the envelope after I leave anyway.

That money is there for just in case the session runs over by a few minutes; and also as a testament to the faith I have placed in the provider. The few ladies I see are, IMO, far from ordinary women and are good for a helluva lot more than sex. So a little extra never hurts.

But there is a catch to this. It means I always pay effectively higher than market rates to start with. When you add this to the fact that I never ask for grandfathering or any of that; a woman might marginally raise her rates and I simply won't book her anymore if the total payment (her rate plus what I add) is above my per-date-maximum threshold.

once I have seen someone...I didn't think there was a reason for them to look at the donation part again...so they Will Always remain the same...and...lol...if the donation drops...well of course they would still be "Grandfathered" into the orginal donation

"grandfathering".  However I have yet to meet a lady that I've seen, to pay a higher rate when she raises them. There is no harm in asking.  All she can say is no, then you can say adios!

"I never ask for grandfathering or any of that; a woman might marginally raise her rates and I simply won't book her anymore if the total payment (her rate plus what I add) is above my per-date-maximum threshold."

Ditto

If you are a regular and she tells you that her rates are going up I would assume that it applies to you as well.  Otherwise why would she say anything?

Your situation is a bit unique since you are saving them the cost of a room but, unless they see only one client a day, that expense would be amortized over the rate for several appointments anyway.

It's hard to tell you you are asking a hypothetical question here or not but, as I said, if she tells you the rate went up then the rate went up.  Personally I would never ask the question. I see three women who charge me a grandfathered rate and in all cases they told me that I was grandfathered when they raised their rates. A good provider won't leave you guessing.

If your accountant or lawyer says "sorry, I have to raise my hourly rate", and you've been known to knock back a couple beers with him or her, maybe play a game of golf, I doubt it would make anyone freak out TOO much. Either you pay the rate or look somewhere else.

But somehow, when it comes to your escort, it all has to turn into how people are EEEEEVIL for wanting more or less money.

Meh.

I don't see the harm in asking for grandfathering, either, since these sorts of things sometimes go on in the business world, too (people who "cut deals" for one reason or another). The key is don't presume, be gracious, and try not to take things TOO personally.

It irks me --- a whole lot --- when guys I saw like 6 months, one year or even few years ago, have the nerve to pull the envelope and say 'btw I am grandfathered right?'
No you're NOT! being grandfathered is a PRIVILEGE my clients earns for being regulars and is not given to a guy I saw once or twice in the past year or so.
You might say, maybe this guy do not hobby too much or don't have the means to do it often. Could be the case, but most of the time the guys asking for the perks are the ones who also patronizes (and reviews) other ladies after their visits with me --- paying their full rates (higher than mine) without flinching an eye.
I give perks to my clients in many different forms, but I will decide who deserves it or not.

I pay the current rate and never ask to be grandfathered...if you like the girl does it matter the rate difference?

As someone said it is a business let's respect the girls right to adjust their rates...

I never ask, or bring up the topic.  If the provider gently tells me that her rates have gone up, I will gladly accommodate the new rate.  PLUS there are other benefits of being a regular, extended time, an occasional dinner out FOC, some extra services maybe not offered to non-regulars.  SO I don't stress the grandfather issue too much

I agree to a point, If the gentlemen hasnt seen me in a while, say about 6 months, then its time to pay the current asking price of the lady,
It seems to me, sometimes, that the gentlemen are selective in what they read on the rates section of the website, they are quick to find the specials, but sometimes dimly unaware of the current rate.

I actually do not complain if a provider raise her rates, because a provider may at one point shift from being a high-volume provider to a low-volume provider or decides to be part-time.

Rates are base on supply and demand. How much do you demand to be with a certain provider? If her rates become prohibited, you simply move on and look for cheaper.

If a provider raise her rate higher than the market, it means she's focusing on being low-volume. Not too many may see her, especially in these economic times. I know one provider who I would have returned to, but she increased her rates after I saw her and felt it was not worth it.

If a provider lowers her rate, she' focusing on being a high-volume provider.

There are some great low-volume providers and high-volume providers. I have a favorite in both categories. They both offer a unique experience different from each other.  

and for reasons beyond his control was unable to continue to do so for a year.  Then he gets a chance and makes a date again with you.  Is he back on the bottom of the dung heap too?  Like someone you have never met.

Just asking as so many ladies do not put an expiration date on that, and will offer it because it saves them screening time, they know who they are dealing with, and they know they are safe. (assuming the guy was not a total ass to begin with, in which case I guess you would see him at all LOL)

Example:  a lady I'd seen before took a six month hiatus from the biz.  She's back in Tampa with new higher rates.  At the end of the rate page is a disclaimer "all former friends are grandfathered at my old rates"

Make sense?     Probably not!   I tried!  LOL

Not only do you never ask for a break, you won't even accept regular visitor and special rates when they ARE offered to you.
:O

It really is all about the money, in some strange way...

(Hey, I'm laughing AT you.  Uh, I meant WITH you!  No, that's definitely laughing at you...)
; )

xo,
S.

all time Fav posts of his!  "I never accept any deals, special rates, yada, yada, yada!

Mind if I join in the laughter????  

Love to pet your peeves.....and you do have a very lovely pair of peeves.



Thank you
2010 = 28

I don't give a fuck about inflation. If a lady and I had a great time, and I know she did, that's what it cost me to see her. If she fucking pulls some 'well, it costs this now' I'll say nevermind and go to the next.

It's not that she's not worth the extra C-note or whatever. It's the principal of the thing. I do the extras. Bring drinkables, toys, flowers, pay for dinner, whatever. I'm going to give you another hundred to spread your legs one more time for me? Not.

Not unless you have a friend, but of course I know this will cost extra.

Depending on their regularness I'd grandfather them in and also depended on how high I raised the rates. If they were regular enough I'd let them know of the raise and depending on how they take it I might work with them. There only a handful of my visitors though it is business I'd actually say I kind of like enough to "grandfather" them.

*NODS heads* IMO I feel some who take it that way are thinking like this wh0r3 wants more MONEY?! lol It's probably taken personally also because it's adult relations. meh indeed

Lmfao

You *know* she had a great time? Really?
Ooooo Kkkkkk...

Why don't they "spread the legs" (Classy wording.. BTW) 24/7 for you for nothing then?

But you're right sonny, the extra C note is better used to your Ed Hardy wifebeater collection, Axe spray, & steroid collection. Lamer. Go bench press a giant cock.

FUCK! FUCK FUCKITY FUCK FUCK! (WOW! Look how tough I am using FUCK often & making nasty comments about women on an internet escort board...It's just sooo amazing! I feel 100 feet tall! The cheerleader who dissed me in high school is almost out of my memory now! HUZZAH!)
Tayler

Let me correct you. I said I never accept any deals or offerings to a PRIVILEGE class of hobbyist that are not available to all hobbyist.  I have and will taken advantage of specials and other offerings that are available to ALL hobbyist. I suspect you  admire hypocrisy and laugh at straightforwardness in the hobby.

I don’t have a strong opinion whether a provider grandfathers clients or not.  Or whether she has a rubric that grandfathers some but not others.  I look at it as part of her business model and she can set her rates however she wishes.  I’ve been grandfathered by some and not by others.

The gripe I do have is not knowing what a particular lady’s rule is since grandfathering is common but far from universal.  If I don’t know (she hasn’t told me and it isn’t on her web site) I ask.  If she tells me, fine, we both know.  But when a provider gets upset at the question I generally find someone else.  I don’t do mindreading very well.

I think it's Ok to ask, sometimes a lady might honestly forget to mention it..I think if she gets super mad about questions then that's a little weird...Business if business, questions will come & if you can't handle it then there is the door...

OTOH...Many guys get babyish when she doesn't let them lag around spewing their unwanted preachy life/travel/how to do their hair advice for 30-45 minutes after session ends when some new guy would give her more for less BS hassle...that might be why she won't see someone again, not because you won't pay the new rate...Levels of BS are not worth it sometimes!

I THINK I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!LMAO

A special discount, IMO, comes with expectations.

I don't accept them generally because I am unsure as to whether I can meet those expectations; especially if they are unstated.

Uncriticially accepting a special discount can inadvertently lead to a provider feeling used. Not good.

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Say for example, someone creates a class of clients who see's her at least four times a year and offers those clients a special rate.  Is this still somehow "unfair" because it's not offered to every client?  IMHO, it's similar to hotel points programs or to Visa miles.

.02 from a lady who does just that, and has only ever had one person decline.

xo,
S.

If and only if ... I were absolutely certain that I could meet explicit expectations in exchange for a discount -- and it were obviously a provider with whom I would enjoy meeting those expectations ... then I might accept.

However -- another word for "expectation" is "string." The extent to which a discount from generally offered rates is extended is also the extent to which I have accepted a commitment to meet expectations -- i.e. strings. It is no longer "no strings attached" but rather "some strings attached."

Expectations/strings are not necessarily bad. In some cases, they can be an enhancement; especially for someone like me who tends to see relatively few women, commit months in advance, and repeat.

It really has nothing to do with fairness, to me. Life isn't fair, after all. I can't see every provider. Is that somehow "unfair" to those that I don't see? So fairness is not the issue for me.

What IS important to me is that I do not wish to hurt or disappoint a woman that I see. I'm not in the "hurting people" business. I don't want a woman I see to feel she has been used, gotten the short end of the stick or any of that.

Alfred is right -- communication is key. If I could be certain that all expectations were explicit and I could live up to them and would enjoy doing so -- I might accept.

Let's keep in mind that you, Sola, are a very special lady. It is highly likely that you have no trouble at all inspiring high levels of customer loyalty even without discounts.

So fairness isn't really at issue, IMO.

And I'm sure you pay $1.00 a pound for filet minion at the butcher shop because you have never accepted a raise in your employment.

Usually the boys bitch-slap me on the boards! Very rarely does a lady do it!

In any case, it's not like I would have the pleasure of your company anytime soon seeing as how we live on either side of the country and I disgust you to begin with.

Either way, it was cool to know that not ALL ladies dig my drunken ramblings and know that I infact am just fucking around!

You have a great night there, sweety!

You can put away that huge-ass dildo you planned on pushing my shit in with!

I'd pay cash money to hear you say that and mean it!

LMMFAO!!!!

carte blanche to be an asshole to ladies who actually see you for who you are (self confessed) a drunk who rambles on with a filthy mouth.

"You can put away that huge-ass dildo you planned on pushing my shit in with!" was uncalled for.

To say; "Either way, it was cool to know that not ALL ladies dig my drunken ramblings and know that I infact am just fucking around!" For those that do approve, that says something about them. Or are they just too kind?