Geesh.... some guys have no class.... did this lady have a neon "open" sign on in the window?or a revolving door for a front door? *I think not*IMHO she should have not tolerated that behaviour fromher clients, this shows a high degree of disprespect for the lady and other 'hobbyists'on the part of the guy justshowing up.This lady should have nipped this in the bud and refused tosee these/this client(s) again.  Just my two cents.Lustman

Chrissy, your situation can happen to anyone. Happened to me too, and probably most women in l.a. at some point in time.  Neighbors know this can happen to a woman.  but Papercup is talking about an ongoing style.  Hope everything turned out okay for you.  xoxoff

That's what disposable cameras (with flash) and pepper spray were invented for! Open the door, smile, take the picture and spray the f**ker!!!!Kick him in the face when he's dosn and scream rape!

Felicia,Very well done and of real interest to the entire community.  As I think the question addresses and your response certainly does address the issues of professional standards.As you bring up, your clients would find the described behaviours in Papercups post to be substandard.  But let me rephrase the issue a bit and to touch on Papercups question and your answer.  Should we as clients accept the phone ringing during the session?  Also should we accept seeing other clients before or after a session?  Of course the easy answer is no.  But there is the ideal and then the real.  The ideal would not have excessive waits in the Doctors waiting room.  The real is that we do and in part as there is no established norm or standard about waiting periods.  On the contrary we would find it unacceptable to have another patient in the room with us as the time of an exam.  We happily accept two hour waits for the hot new restaurant but we would revolt if we waited 30 minutes in line at McDonalds.  Is the fact that she is popular mitigate and therefore change acceptability for phone calls during a session and clients dropping by?  Much as the popularity of the aforementioned restaurant changes our expectation of waiting time.  So what are the standards?  Heck what are the categories?  I understand that the TER may in defacto be setting the framework of norms and standards by having reviews but it is lacking in there is not enough information or discussion around the TER review criteria for example what are the elements of “delivered as promised”.  Does this mean the phone was not ringing or that the provider engaged in whatever activities where discussed before the session?  I am not attempting to advocate a codified professional standard that is something that the client/courtesan relationship will not see in the United States.  But the identification of certain norms surely could be discussed.  As the established norms seem to be clearer for the courtesan/client transaction behaviour for example no discussion of the money or business during a session.  Discrete transfer of payment, unmarked envelope, etc… but there is more an ambiguity about the expected behaviour in the actual session.   For example “clock-watching” should we expect “clock-watching” and then be pleasantly surprise when it does not occur. That apparently is the norm that is in place.  Or should “clock watching” be the exception as the professional standard would not be clock watching.  Just for example weak one I grant but as I am new to the courtesan/client relationship it is one that I can identify from reading reviews.  (Sidenote:  Lawyers are famous clock-watchers and it is accepted.  Maybe not happily but it is expected and accepted)So the open question is to the Ladies what should we accept and expect?  Based of course on what you will provide.  And to the clients?  Why would we accept less or should we expect more?  Is this a situation of “you get what you pay for?”  Or there is no standard so anything is acceptable.  I think not but again please note I speak as a complete and total novice as well as being a bear of very little brain so I very much would appreciate the community’s input and guidance.

I have never had a problem with someone dropping in. Probably cause I have never done incall from my home and never hung around the place unless I was entertaining.  As for my phone ringing off the hook...when I am busy??? Never. I turn that sucker off so it does not disturb us. To me that would be plain rude. I know I'd be pissed. This girl might have let some of her clients drop in before, so they thought it was okay. Most girls I think command a bit more respect than that right from the get go ( ie. must make an appt at least 2 hours or more ahead). I'd be careful when I go to an incall to make sure the person I am seeing is not attracting alot of attention. Apartment buildings are great because people don't really know where you are going ( unless there is a doorman, and he doesn't care as long as he gets his tip every week). But single family homes,condos and townhouses in "upscale neighborhoods" usually have some nosy neighbors around who's brother's son is best friends with the Chief of Police ( you get the picture). Nice neighborhoods may make you feel safer about going for an incall, but they are also the ones most busted.

Im with Felicia on this one. (wish I were with her, with her...) anyway, I think perhaps the lady thinks this is a normal protocol for business and it would be nice if one of the gents who knows better would take a moment to school her. As she is popular and ya all want to keep seeing her, this might be wise!Phone calls, pagers, interuptions of any kind are not tolerated by me. I for one, with a phone ringing whilst riding, would find myself very distracted! I just would not enjoy that ride and I do like to ride! ~wink.Nicole

FF,Thank you for your detailed and impassioned response to my post.  You raised some very good points, and asked some good questions too, which I will try to answer (some answers cover more than one question):1) No, I'm not amused when these d**kheads come knocking.  Neither is she, and she sends them packing, telling them she has closed her business.  Like I said, when she's dressed, that is.  Once when I was having dinner with her after a session and once when I was just visiting (I called first, of course).  The other time we were going at it hot and heavy when the knock came, and her partner wasn't there that day to answer the door.  She wasn't expecting anyone so she ignored it.  Whoever it was left, but she commented on it.  Does she tolerate it when I'm not around?  I can't say, but I know she doesn't like it because it's weird behavior (which is scary) and it attracts attention.  I'd like to think she doesn't take them in on a slow day, but I guess I'll never know for sure.2) What is the attraction?  She's gorgeous, great personality, a sexual artiste (who practices safe sex), and who in my opinion charges far below what she could (and should) charge.  That makes her very popular.  She works with another girl, so their place sees a lot of business.  Has she been reviewed?  No, but she has been mentioned on the discussion boards.  I've seen her about once a week since December, so I'd have to say I'm satisfied with her, warts and all, but I would prefer more discretion on her part.  She no longer advertises and only sees repeat customers, but she has plenty of those.  Am I going to say who she is?  No, so nobody please ask me.3) As for the phone ringing, since she works with another girl, they cover for each other when one of them is busy, although she has sometimes taken calls when I was with her.  Yeah, I tolerated it, schmuck that I am, but she apologized and made it up to me with extended time, etc.4) Does she think all this is part of the biz?  Probably.  Is she "professional?"  No.  Just a talented amateur who had a bad teacher.  Before she got her own place, she worked for another lady who ran a bigger operation and she seems to have duplicated much of what she learned there.  I've discussed some of these things with her, but her teacher made a big impression on her and she hasn't changed much.FF and everyone, it's true I have tolerated some unprofessional practices here, which is not good.  These are things that would also have driven me away if not for her redeeming qualities.  I had no idea I was going to stir up quite the hornet's nest that I did with my post about surprise visitors, but I thank you all for your comments.

Very well done and of real interest to the entire community.  As I think the question addresses and your response certainly does address the issues of professional standards.As you bring up, your clients would find the described behaviours in Papercups post to be substandard.  But let me rephrase the issue a bit and to touch on Papercups question and your answer.  Should we as clients accept the phone ringing during the session?  Also should we accept seeing other clients before or after a session?  Of course the easy answer is no.  But there is the ideal and then the real.  The ideal would not have excessive waits in the Doctors waiting room.  The real is that we do and in part as there is no established norm or standard about waiting periods.  On the contrary we would find it unacceptable to have another patient in the room with us as the time of an exam.  We happily accept two hour waits for the hot new restaurant but we would revolt if we waited 30 minutes in line at McDonalds.  Is the fact that she is popular mitigate and therefore change acceptability for phone calls during a session and clients dropping by?  Much as the popularity of the aforementioned restaurant changes our expectation of waiting time.  So what are the standards?  Heck what are the categories?  I understand that the TER may in defacto be setting the framework of norms and standards by having reviews but it is lacking in there is not enough information or discussion around the TER review criteria for example what are the elements of “delivered as promised”.  Does this mean the phone was not ringing or that the provider engaged in whatever activities where discussed before the session?  I am not attempting to advocate a codified professional standard that is something that the client/courtesan relationship will not see in the United States.  But the identification of certain norms surely could be discussed.  As the established norms seem to be clearer for the courtesan/client transaction behaviour for example no discussion of the money or business during a session.  Discrete transfer of payment, unmarked envelope, etc… but there is more an ambiguity about the expected behaviour in the actual session.   For example “clock-watching” should we expect “clock-watching” and then be pleasantly surprise when it does not occur. That apparently is the norm that is in place.  Or should “clock watching” be the exception as the professional standard would not be clock watching.  Just for example weak one I grant but as I am new to the courtesan/client relationship it is one that I can identify from reading reviews.  (Sidenote:  Lawyers are famous clock-watchers and it is accepted.  Maybe not happily but it is expected and accepted)So the open question is to the Ladies what should we accept and expect?  Based of course on what you will provide.  And to the clients?  Why would we accept less or should we expect more?  Is this a situation of “you get what you pay for?”  Or there is no standard so anything is acceptable.  I think not but again please note I speak as a complete and total novice as well as being a bear of very little brain so I very much would appreciate the community’s input and guidance.

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