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Um, and they say women are the ones who read too much into things...
HooktardGold 3699 reads
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A post from the Newbie Board, got me to thinking about how much this actually goes on. When a lady goes to dinner or has drinks with you off the clock after amazing sex, do you automatically assume she likes you? Do you think it's just for that night? Do you consider dating her because of that ONE gesture?

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=128347&boardID=33&page=1#128347

This poor boy thinks because they had stimulating emails that led up to the date (Marketing lol), great sex (Her JOB), and OTC dinner and drinks (Boredom and more Marketing), that she really likes him and possibly wants to date him lol. Well, ok she did ask him to be her "BJ in Jersey," translated to mean, she's alone, bored, and wants a hot guy to see the city when she tours there to fk 2-4 other guys that day lol, but cmon. Really?  

Are we really sending those kind of signals every time we have a meal with you for free, but don't fk you for free? Damn. I would have to say at least 50 guys were offered OTC dinner/drinks with me over the years, and not once did I ever consider dating ANY of them. Please tell me the majority of you are smarter than that lol.  



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would determine how they are being perceived.....

A girl one time said to me after sex, "Hey, lets go down and have drinks..If you don't mind..". To which I said still staring at the TV, "Hmmm...Yes...God damn it... Can we do a little better on the 6-4-3 double plays?" :D

Jokes aside..In this business, where women sell sex, and guys buy sex, a lot of things can be perceived wrongly..  Unless, the girl says to me that I really want you to date me (not a likely scenario BTW), I would not read anything into it other than she finds me trustworthy enough and cool enough to have drinks/food what have you outside of the session...

HooktardGold1729 reads

Vulnerable, or delusional? This post, and many others like his, tell me that any amount of ego stroking can lead to serious issues.

and requires maturity to handle things outside the bedroom.. The younger guys are sometimes more prone to the relationship shit. Not sure how old the guy is, unless he said somewhere down the line (in the thread). Didn't bother to read....

GaGambler1282 reads

After reading a thousand "I've fallen for a provider" posts, I have noticed that more of them come from old, clueless, divorced guys, looking for a connection that simply isn't there, than I've seen young, clueless guys, mistaking a smile and an offer for drinks as eternal love.

Don't get me wrong, it happens to young and old alike, I've just seen it happen to more old guys than young. Of course there are more old fucks here than young, and that could account for it too.

but in answer to the OP, sometimes it DOES mean she likes you and wants more, but of course most of the time it doesn't.

with several girls I befriended (just friends no relationship) over the years. There seemed consistent narrative that the younger the guy the more personal they get and start getting ideas about having relationship.  

These agency gals turned indy after the CDC, DMV busts in DC area were all in their twenties.  

Although, I was still in my late 20s early 30s at the time, I was let in the door due to good reputation. I had with them after having seen them few times as agency gals. They somehow felt comfortable with me.  They all ended up having 35 yr old min age.  

Also, if she sees older guys (35-40+) she is more likely to see higher proportion of married folks (one time a gal told me that 60+% of her clients are married) they are typically less likely to be looking for relationships in the first place vs the younger crowd.

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I think newbies of any age are more prone to it because they mistake a good GFE act for a real connection.

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You gotta understand. All I knew about this game when I started was from what my friends were doing.
They saw really low end girls. The concept of GFE was over my head.
The poor girl was just doing her job well.
I got completely confused, and fucked it all up. :D
Bah. You live. You learn.

Well, not exactly, because it's never happened to your old dad.  But I have made some great friends.

before he got started, but daddy was too busy getting drunk with GaG and banging chicas...lol :D

When I think about it, it's amazing the Pup turned out as well as he did.  I am very proud.

AnotherDonJohn1568 reads

As based on PMs and posts from other bros, I'm 100% sure there's a lot of action on OTC/SD/SO relationships (ie, renegotiation) going on. In my experience, the unsolicited (except maybe replying to a random post) SB offers start rolling before Thanksgiving.  

I consider V-day like a division game, where the record matters. Lol.

AnotherDonJohn1915 reads

I definitely agree that most of the time it's about marketing and boredom.

However, as an aside, there's at least a couple of times where it's worth it no matter the reality.

For example:
1. Girl starting out reaches out for advice from a guy.
No sex for trade, just being human and helpful
During the course of it all, she randomly texts at 9pm asking him to sleep over OTC.
The pair cuddle mostly, have sex once.
The lady expresses doubts with doing this business.
She never starts escorting except maybe utr.

2. Another girl, not a newbie but also not a jaded pro, has a session with a guy.
They hit it off.
She start texting and calling to ask him more about ter.
Again, no sex for trade, just friendship.
SHE makes the calls turn into hours and late nights.
Soon she's asking the guy to late dinners after work with OTC sex in her incall after hours.
She makes a lot of jokes about how he should leave his wife for her.
So, where's the harm in the NSA world? Except in #2, the girl is maybe getting too attached and could threaten his married life. Otherwise, the guy knows she's got several guys, but obviously he's getting a huge chunk of time.

Going back to the OP, you're right about not falling for the spiel in general.
Guys, even old ones, are dumb this way sometimes. And you girls are too good sometimes.
I also feared magic Jeff was in for a bumpy ride when I saw that post.  
We may be seeing the 89springer breakup letter soon.


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never really thought it was any more than killing time for them. I guess I thought, they thought I was interesting enough to spend their own time on, so I felt good about that. But want to date me? No. lol   I've also had otc sex, from time to time, but didn't think it was more than lust then either.  
That guy seems kind of nutty to think what he does on a first meeting n particular. Seems like shes just making him "forget it's a service".

Especially where a noob is involved.  But guys regularly Fall For a Hooker and Can't Get Up.  Personally, I take gals to dinner all the time OTC and I have never tried to read into it more than there is.  Nor do I even want her to be my GF, just an occasional friend and companion.
There are women in this game that I really like and whose company I enjoy.  Sometimes I invite them to dinner, sometimes they suggest it.  It all just happens spontaneously.
But my rules are always the same: I am happy to pay you for sex.  I am happy to buy you dinner. But I simply won't pay to watch you eat it.
It's really that simple and, if you have good instincts about how well you're getting along with someone, it works virtually every time.  At least once, she paid for our dinner herself.  Of course, we'd just spent several OTC hours together at a museum and I bought her an art book.

I did make an honest attempt at putting out a dinner date rate for 3 hours like I have seen some of the other women do.  
I never got any takers so for me it works better to just stick to if we want to eat together after let's just do it I don't know anybody that's going to pay me 250 an hour to listen to my annoying voice while we eat.
or worse if I fall off the wagon while we're out to dinner oh good lord.
the whole dinner date thing and getting paid to go to dinner that's great for the women that can pull that off but it's just not going to work for some women.
trust me I've tried advertising that I will do a dinner date didn't get any takers. if there are women that can manage to pull that off and they are the type of woman a guy will pay to take to dinner then I think that's excellent for them and whatever works for them they should keep doing it.
I know for me I have a certain style of how I do my business its more laid back it's not as fancy.
I definitely attempted the advertising for the dinner date three hour dinner date saying and knowing just ever wanted to do it I do better just sticking to focusing on the hour
possibly the two hour.  
and for me I use a stationary Inc also all the more better if they want to linger around for an extra hour I don't like having a revolving door and I don't like people that are quickly in and out cause it just won't look good for me and it will burn out my incall.
I don't think having a stationary incall is a bad idea as long as you move every 1 to 2 years.  
if you have a hotel I think it's good to be business like and make sure they are out on the hour. however if you are in a residential stationery in call it's not the smartest choice to be business like in rushing people in and out on the hour.Ben it's totally obvious what you're doing and you're more than likely to get reported or have someone take notice.
a woman in her thirties having a couple of decent looking guys in their 50's over per week and they're obviously staying there for longer periods of time its not going to look like she's an escort it all
especially if they go out and run some errands or do some things and then come back together
then it may look like she has a couple of sugar daddies but then again what girl in her 30's doesn't.

Second, I don't think it's on you that no one took you up on your dinner date offering.  More likely, guys just wanted to stay in your apartment the whole time and bone your hot ass.
But I totally agree with your approach to just go out to dinner with someone you've clicked with. That's exactly what I do, and would have done it with you but I needed to head for home.  Maybe the next time I get up your way, though I don't know when that will be, since I've sold the house up there.

HooktardGold1328 reads

If a guy booked me for 2 hours at say 700 and I knew flat out he would not pay to take me to dinner, no harm in going because I already got 700. OTOH, if a guy was willing to pay me 800 to go to dinner, I would probably turn that 3 hour into a 4, as I did often.  

The dates I booked most often were 2 hours and 4 hours... rarely was the 3 booked, so I just ended up turning the 2 hour into a 3 with dinner, if I was on tour. Rarely did I have anything to do after 5 pm, so that's when I did my OTC time...

I was 54 when I first got involved and probably would have been thinking the same crap he is at that point. Hopefully wiser now.

her BF in NJ.  As I told the person who is being quoted here, There may well be BFs in every port.  She may find it advantageous to have some friendly face in areas where she travels...  and there may be perks in it for him.  So long as both are on the same page & have their eyes open...  I say:  "No Harm, No Foul!"

I have had providers who invited me to stay socially beyond our compensated time...  but I have no delusions that it was anything more than friendly companionship.

HooktardGold1650 reads

All true, but what 'more' does a hooker aim to get from a married man? What 'more' does a married man expect to get from a hooker? In my world, there was no 'more' lol. I was not looking to break up a home or have some guy thinking about me whilst fkin his wife. The idea of that is rather creepy and screams insecure to me.

I don't believe the Gent stated he was married & my reply was if he was free, as in not married.  If the gent is married, he has no business being a gals local 'go to' guy.  Let's say for a second she flies into his city.  She might arrange to be picked up at the airport, maybe get dinner...  possibly have freebee sex (or not).  If she needs transportation to go shopping, he gets the call.  
If he's single...  he might want to.  If he's married, he will not be available for her.  

Posted By: HooktardGold
All true, but what 'more' does a hooker aim to get from a married man? What 'more' does a married man expect to get from a hooker? In my world, there was no 'more' lol. I was not looking to break up a home or have some guy thinking about me whilst fkin his wife. The idea of that is rather creepy and screams insecure to me.

…. or subjects are posted just to stir up discussion on specific issues. Really so newbies can see those things on the first page as they rotate in and out.

If a hundred married hobbyists all had a convention where they did nothing else but fret about being inwardly torn between their lust for chasing skirt and honoring their marriage contract, and then somebody said, "We could all take this brand-new pill called Fideliperm," what do you think would happen?

First, of course, they would all have to get the 411 on the new drug. They learn it's a miracle cure, invented by a woman, that completely eliminates the urge to cat around in men. Furthermore, they not only are happy not straying outside the marriage, but they become even more devoted to their wives.

The expected result, they will lead a happy monogamous life with no side effects.

Out of the hundred men, all souls suffering from being torn apart over what to do, how many do you think would take the pill?

None of them? A few? Half? How many?

I think only a few because most men fear change to what they perceive as their basic nature. That's just the way they are

HooktardGold1406 reads

I am not talking about the basic want for sex that most men have, but the delusions that seem to come with it. It's not about being faithful, as we already signed up to help you NOT do that by being in the business, but most of us did not sign up for anything more. Now I know why so many women refuse to ever do anything off the clock... blurs too many lines.  

This provider just lost a hot, decent, good paying customer by giving it away for free... stupid. Business wise, it makes zero sense to not charge the hot guys, because they are not exactly in abundance, but many women end up giving them breaks because of how they look.  

Every time I gave a discount, rarely did that guy want to pay the full rate again... he felt "she likes me" so I don't have to pay that. He did not consider, I might have actually enjoyed being with him but still needed that fkin money! The money missed from his date, forced me to have to see another guy I might not have enjoyed so much to make up for it. Most never seem to consider that when an escort says she can't see them OTC. It's not because she does not like you, but her vagina might have a limit that week lol.

AnotherDonJohn1368 reads

1. Attempt to convert to SO
2. Attempt to convert to SD
Not arguing the rightness of these.
Just the existence of the thought process on the Provider's part.  
Basing this personally on an "n" of two each. So rare as I said.

It's a very hard thing for the guy to walk away when a girl offers him awesome OTC and NSA sex.
But even if she doesn't pressure him,  he has to know she's quietly, or not so quietly, hoping for more.
There's a window of decision of course before she herself has to give up  
OTOH, believe it or not, guys are prudent sometimes and walk away from these on their own.

If you take a commodities broker to lunch, he'll try to sell you pork bellied.
Take a hooker to lunch...

And he'll assume you're in love with him. You can't change that. Most men just think that way and they will insist on thinking that way for the rest of their lives because that's what they perceive as their basic nature. It's an aspect of mediocre mindsets. Let's just leave it that.

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NOT "like" likes me. I would assume she thinks I am worth hanging with when she is bored. I would not take it as she has romantic interest outside of paid interests. But I can see the confusion. Good sex release hormones that are designed to induce feelings of caring and love. It was outside his expectations. And guys have reduced blood flow to our brain around attractive women. Otherwise known as the little head doing the thinking.

I never read anything into it..i just enjoy the company and the conversation..

It's true. I'm younger, no girl to speak of right now.
So it does put you in a position where you can get confused..
I however recognized what was happening to me immediately, and cut ties with that provider.

I didn't know what GFE was.. I got confused..  
At first. I was pissed at her like it was her fault.. That she knew I liked her, and was playing me like a fiddle.
But she was confused when I asked her not to contact me.
It kind of sucks. I don't want to see her anymore because I like her too much.
Shitty way to loose a customer. You know?

Anyway.
Now I'm much better at understanding the whole GFE thing.
But when you are new.. It's very easy to get all mushy, and fuck up a good thing.

Not every guy thinks hookers are just a hole to fuck you know. :(  
It's not always a good way to think. It makes you vulnerable.
To be honest though.. I don't like to know personal things about the girls I see after that experience.
I would much rather keep everything very impersonal because that is how it starts.
Works better for the girls too. They don't have to stroke my ego..
I actually hate that shit now as I'm sure the women do too.
Must be the worst part about being an escort..
Stroking ego, and kissing ass..

I like it when the act gets dropped and you get to know the person behind the facade. When I hit it off with a lady, I look at it like it's a fling with no further potential, rather than a potential LTR. It's really just an opportunity to revel in the best of each other without ever having to deal with the baggage that inevitably arises in any relationship. Don't let your heart turn cold

cashorcredit1323 reads

She thought I was a good client, who wanted to share a drink and a bite to eat with a potential friend.  

I received two OTC offers for dinner, but declined both as I didn't want to send mixed signals.., however I could see how a guy could mistake great sex and a dinner offer as something more.  

Posted By: HooktardGold
When a lady goes to dinner or has drinks with you off the clock after amazing sex, do you automatically assume she likes you? Do you think it's just for that night? Do you consider dating her because of that ONE gesture?

that the provider is interested in the person for more than a business arrangement.

That said, there is a range of OTC and intimacy sharing.  It's not like it's all or nothing.

In any case, I go by my vibes more than the simple offering of the time, and so far I've been able to find a comfortable path that suits me and the gals I've met.

The important thing is to be tuned in to the person, and never ever take advantage.

The guy is trying to read the woman(in this case a hooker) like a man.

 
...and once he submits to her, she will treat him like a NJ girlfriend.

 

Perhaps she is recruiting her very own mangina(in New Jersey) 1 out of 50 isn't bad. lol

 

 
Seriously, if there is no rapport between the provider and client. Just let it go in one ear and out the other.

that after having a awesome session with one of the girls who I felt quote "connected" with that she was really into me lol. I was such a idiot that I actually called her up and asked her out on a real date and luckily she was a very sweet girl and let me down gently by saying she had a boyfriend.  

I could not even picture thinking that way now luckily even though I did end up having a provider as a girlfriend for awhile but that is a very long story!

First of all, it was his first time. He went out of his way to state it, coming off of 28 years of marriage, faithful etc. So, the guy's obviously still in a fragile state..ie insecure,vulnerable. Pretty easy to see how that can be misconstrued if you haven't done your homework and you don't really get the do's and don'ts.  

Plus, can you probably assume that the guy unloaded on her before and during and she was smart enough, as a business person, to take advantage (long term marketing including freebies) of that information? That's my take.  

Newbie aside, it's not THAT hard to imagine falling for that if you both WERE attracted to one another and there was a connection and the kind of communication you shared wasn't all acting. It's not an automatic 'how stupid are you"? Unless you're watching this unfold from the rafters munching on popcorn and critiquing the play by play, how can you know whether it wasn't what he thought it was?
This could be one of those times where the signals WERE sent. Could be. He was pretty adamant. But who knows.

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HooktardGold1693 reads

You actually think you can FALL for someone you met ONCE and paid btw, just because you're attracted to them and have great sex? Um wow lol. If that's the case, I could have fallen for 3 out of 10 clients. Takes a bit more than that.

Then you don't believe in 'love at first sight'? Not a romantic? Obviously the hooker/john equation makes that laughable, not saying it doesn't., But, no, I don't think it's out of the realm of possible to imagine that two people who spend lots of time leading up to a highly charged sexual encounter, texting and emailing and flirting, then meeting, spending several hours together and being physically intimate could feel 'something', ie fall for one another.

Your view of emotional connectivity seems a little jaded. If you're speaking ONLY in terms of the hooker/john scenario...sure. It's far-fetched, at best. But possible!?!? Of course!! Jeez...not EVERYONE in your line of work is wired the same (as you). Most are, probably. All? I doubt it

HooktardGold1282 reads

Love and lust are not the same thing, and I don't care how not jaded one is. Love is not a feeling like so many want to lie to themselves about... it is a decision, and one that not many seem to follow through with. So, if you're asking if I believe that real love happens that way especially when money is involved, my answer is no. Do I believe people are that lonely and deluded to buy into it? Fk yea lol. I am not jaded, but I am also not desperate. I would never fall for a client that paid me to fk him, and I would hope he felt the same.  

I am well aware not all escorts are business women after their goals... there are tons who come here looking for a sugar daddy, a sap, or even a husband. Why? No fkin clue, but they sure do exist.

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You're putting a finer point on your argument and limiting it to hooker/john, and in that respect I don't disagree with you. Nor do I disagree that no one falls in LOVE after one encounter. Love is something that is built over time and starts from lust, as you state. I agree with you 100% there.  

btw..I am jaded!! Very!! And I don't mind it!

AnotherDonJohn1330 reads

You just proved that a guy not a newbie anymore can subscribe to this delusion.

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VOO-doo1735 reads

Agency clients (in my experience) are much more impulsive when it comes to hobbying habits. They book whoever is available near a certain address at 5:15. Or even whoever can come to their apartment RIGHT NOW.  

They really don't have that perspective of the girl WORKING. If they hit it off so easily with a girl...it must be a function of THEM being attractive and personable, rather than the girl just doing her job. They don't GET it. They think that most clients are 90 year-old fuglies, and that if they themselves are marginally better-looking or sort of cute, that the hooker is reacting to [[insert desirable quality here]] rather than just being nice to them.

I've experienced this less often as an independent, but it still happens. If a guy finds me nice, 'normal', and attractive...if we chat naturally and have an enjoyable interaction and great sex (in their opinion)...I guess it doesn't mesh with the expectation they have of a 'normal' hooker meeting and so they think it must be something different. LOVE (or at least a great fuck-buddy relationship).

But some clients actually try to fall in love...they are pretty much already sold before I walk in the door. He probably repeats the process time and again, after he gets fired by current hooker or disillusioned by the realization that he is a CLIENT to her.  

It's amazing to me that the more a client 'cares' for me 'as a person' or 'wants the best' for me...the less likely he is to want to pay for the time he takes up...and that's time I could use to meet those goals of which he is so 'supportive' rather than listening to him yak about how special I am :-)

HooktardGold1612 reads

"It's amazing to me that the more a client 'cares' for me 'as a person' or 'wants the best' for me...the less likely he is to want to pay for the time he takes up...and that's time I could use to meet those goals of which he is so 'supportive' rather than listening to him yak about how special I am."

A big Amen on that shit! "You're too smart to be a hooker... let's go to lunch but I won't pay for it." "You have so many goals... why are you doing this... wanna spend the night together for free since we hit it off?" LMAO.

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VOO-doo1461 reads

No, no client has ever told me any of that/done any of that....

 

 

Or any other girl on earth, I'm sure. :-D

'Oh, you're too pretty/smart/sweet to do this...but let me constantly text you/email you/badger you for free hookups. Too good to hook, but PLEASE come over and spend the whole night sucking my dick/talking to me for free !!!'

HooktardGold1329 reads

Too good to be many guys' whore, but not just his whore. So played out lol.

earthshined1514 reads

End of your 2nd paragraph is preciesly why I would never do an overnight or even a 3 to 4 hour dinner date with an escort.

The deal is sex for money. All of this other friendship stuff should NOT be part of the equation.I'm always surprised that so many hobbyists want something more(even on this board)

There should be another name for it.Something between escort\hobbyist and kept woman\sugar daddy.
Paid friends with benefits

HooktardGold1358 reads

So, if you do a long date you automatically think you would fall in love? You can still do an overnight with someone you like fkin without running a bed and breakfast. You fk, you sleep, you fk again, and leave. Done deal... same goes for dinner dates. You can talk to someone without falling in love, or being anything more than the time you paid for.  Well, most guys can anyway. There is no delusion about what you're paying for, but that has nothing to do with how long you stay. Guys on business all the time want someone to sleep with, eat with, etc. They are lonely, but that does not make them nuts lol.  

"Companionship" does not equate to relationships and not even friendships at times. I did not offer short dates period, not because I was not still selling sex, but because an hour is usually ONLY sex, and not enough money.

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earthshined1769 reads

that I cant get in one or maybe two hours.therefore a long date is waste of time and money to me.

Never have to worry about falling in love with her. I cant fall in love with someone I dont even trust.

Posted By: HooktardGold
So, if you do a long date you automatically think you would fall in love? You can still do an overnight with someone you like fkin without running a bed and breakfast. You fk, you sleep, you fk again, and leave. Done deal... same goes for dinner dates. You can talk to someone without falling in love, or being anything more than the time you paid for.  Well, most guys can anyway. There is no delusion about what you're paying for, but that has nothing to do with how long you stay. Guys on business all the time want someone to sleep with, eat with, etc. They are lonely, but that does not make them nuts lol.  
   
 "Companionship" does not equate to relationships and not even friendships at times. I did not offer short dates period, not because I was not still selling sex, but because an hour is usually ONLY sex, and not enough money.

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HooktardGold1524 reads

You tried to equate long dates into feeling something, which is not the case. Did some hooker break your heart? You seem bitter lol. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but your posts speak volumes. "I can't fall for someone I don't trust." Um, you don't even KNOW her. Last I checked, we are not the highest majority of the ones lying. Just saying. I've never cheated on a guy in my life nor have I tried to date one whilst keeping this a secret.

VOO-doo1657 reads

My last paragraph was about the guys who book shorter dates and nag for extra time.

If this is really a problem, then it doesn't take a genius to fix the trouble before it starts. Don't offer OTC time, you are mixing business with pleasure. You said it yourself that you went because you were alone and bored, so in that instance you were pushing the boundaries of the "date".  

Now if it was discussed ahead of time, something like "you are the last person I'm fucking today and I will be hungry after if you want to grab a bite to eat. I'm bored and alone and you are the only person I remotely know" well that would be different than suggesting it AFTER your paid date.

It's all in the communication and making sure what's said is understood and don't mix signals. Sitting at the bar like you are old college friends, is different than hugging and kissing at the bar after the date.

Guys, if you are old enough to be her dad then she is simply using you for free food and drinks to occupy a few hours of time. Be smart enough to know that she only likes your money.

M

HooktardGold1346 reads

Luckily, all my OTC friends had a brain lol. You can't start out a conversation of OTC time with "Look dude, I am really hungry and bored, so wanna buy me dinner" lol. It does not work that way. You can't discuss it before the date, because you don't know if you're going to want to be with that clown after you fk him. It always happens after, unless it's some guy I have known from the boards, and the before part won't matter... I have already made my mind up I want to meet this person long before the envelope drops.

So literal! I don't think he means those exact words! I think he means it is better to take the message off the table right from the get go and come up with some polite way to do it. Even though that is CLEARLY what you mean, said in a different way, most guys wouldn't even mind it! ANd probably would feel the same. But I agree that you should say something that makes it clear. Or he should say it! He isn't going to ask "wanna have dinner"? I don;t think that's your premise though. So if it comes from YOU, the hooker, then most guys would appreciate making the distinction. So they know where YOU are coming from!

And despite what you think, I don't care how hot you are or how great the sex was or how fun and flirty you were, most guys just want it over too. The date, I mean. Maybe they know they are going to be alone/bored/hungry too and if they can stand another 90 minutes with you, knowing they'll never see you again..why not?!?  

This line of thinking cuts both ways. Not all men are stupid fucking idiots who want to date their hooker after fucking them nor do they infer OTC as a relationship. But why not shred any doubt where you are coming from when you ask 'wanna kill some time with me"?

HooktardGold1279 reads

Again, I do the asking, but there is this thing called TACT. Try it sometime. If you asked me, "Hey ho, wanna kill some time" you would get a slap in the face. If you asked, "Look, I was gonna grab some dinner, wanna come if you're not busy," the answer would be a yes, but that does not mean anything more than it is. I get that MOST guys know this... you seem to be the one who is not so sure.  

My very first post in this thread read, "You are all not that stupid, right" so one should infer I already knew most guys were not. But, seeing how many "I fell for a hooker" threads we have every damn week, it is rather comical.

-- Modified on 2/10/2014 7:20:14 PM

The part where you add "hey ho" wasn't necessary. I didnt say that. Nor was I suggesting the exact line to use that would be the most tactful.  

Just asking a guy the question could send the wrong message. And that's what I think the guy who you know better than me was saying, to which I agreed.

I'm not looking to win an argument with you. I think we all are basically saying the same thing. So much gets lost here because people read tone and attitude into these posts when there isn't any. Oh well.  

Have a nice night

good thing I took some time off work this week.

Look, I was gonna grab some dinner, wanna come if you're not busy? bwahaha

M

AnotherDonJohn1595 reads

Yes I know the reply will be something brilliant.
Like "you're a so and so",
"I hate everything you write",
"You cut everyone down."

But I can't resist when a guy like you who writes a primer for newbies is so obviously a newbie/Mangina on so many topics.
Did you ever answer the immortal question: why you have to pay $200/h and still get fugly girls?

HooktardGold1359 reads

and, it just happens to be MY favorite band lol

AnotherDonJohn1676 reads

Posted By:  MrTwister

How you doin young lady
That feelin that you givin really drivin' me crazy

If you looking for a girl thatll treat you right
If you lookin for her in the day time with the light
You might be the type if I play my cards right
I'll find out by the end of the night

You expect me to just let you hit it
But will you still respect me if you get it
All I can do is try, gimme one chance
Whats the problem I dont see no ring on your hand

I be the first to admit it
Im curious about you, you seem so innocent
You wanna get in my world, get lost in it
Boy Im tired of running, let's walk for a minute

Promiscuous girl, wherever you are
Im all alone and it's you that I want
Promiscuous boy, you already know
That Im all yours, what you waiting for?

Promiscuous girl, you're teasing me
You know what I want and I got what you need
Promiscuous boy, let's get to the point
'Cause we're on a roll, are you ready?

I'm a big girl I can handle myself
But if I get lonely Ima need your help
Pay attention to me I don't talk for my health
I want you on my team, so does everybody else

Baby, we can keep it on the low
Let your guard down aint nobody gotta know
If you with it girl I know a place we can go
What kind of girl do you take me for?

Promiscuous girl, wherever you are
Im all alone and it's you that I want
Promiscuous boy, you already know
That Im all yours, what you waiting for?

Promiscuous girl, you're teasing me
You know what I want and I got what you need
Promiscuous boy, let's get to the point
'Cause we're on a roll, are you ready??

Bring that on, you know what I mean
Girl, Im a freak you shouldn't say those things
It's okay, it's alright
I got something that you gon' like
Hey, is that the truth or are you talking trash

HooktardGold1345 reads

More like Tupac and Jon B's, "R U Still Down" bwahahahahaha.

AnotherDonJohn1485 reads

When lyrics aren't enough...(link)

Dedicated to all the ladies and gentlemen for Valentine's Day.

Sorry, I was an ass to any of you over the last month.

The Don Out.

-- Modified on 2/10/2014 8:38:50 PM

AnotherDonJohn1560 reads

But it's on topic in a sense because it could be about hobbyists and their ladies.

-- Modified on 2/10/2014 9:14:21 PM

When I get to the point where I post every day, 20,30,40 times a day, know everything there is to know about prostitution, and well, everything else for that matter...in other words, the day I become you....

On that note, I think even sparring with you at all is my rock bottom. Thanks for the cold splash of water.

Hope all you mad lovers enjoy yourselves.

ou

AnotherDonJohn1630 reads

I only hope I can be a part of the second version of the Newbie Bible you put out. LMAO.

-- Modified on 2/12/2014 1:41:09 AM

In the words of Charlie Sheen:  "I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to leave!!"

It's kind of a common story.  New hobbyist has appointment with hot provider.  She exceeds expectations and make the time feel real.  He thinks she wants more and she is wanting a returning client.   Hopefully this guy figures out the score and is not posting in a couple months on how he has fallen for a provider and she has broken his heart.

Having spent some of time with ladies OTC, I never thought it was more than them having some free time and wanting to fill it with someone that could carry on a conversation and was entertaining.  With any luck I met those criteria.

Plus it is always better to have some conversation during dinner.

jumps down the throat of a poster saying they should have posted their repetitive or seemingly ignorant thread on the Newbie board, I think it's kinda funny that there is absolutely no problem with going the other way - grabbing a thread from there to use for entertainment purposes here!!

HooktardGold1528 reads

You can't mock the newbies ON that board, but you sure as hell can bring it here lol.

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