The ecnomic downturn has definately has an affect on the common hour rate of providers in the major city I hobby in.
About 18 months ago it was right at 350 (plus or minus 50) with some respected UTR ladies MAYBE as low as 250 (with a special)
Now it seems to be 200-250. Even some of the longstanding, respected UTRs running board or BP specials as low as 150/hr or create specials like $300/90min with a hour free later. Mahy have gone to touring. Some say theri phone may not ring for 2 or 3 weeks.
What has the effect been in your area? Price or seesion length? Specials?
Ladies or Gents, please weigh in
Either that, or I'm better at finding deals, or I've already seen all the higher priced girls. ![]()
And the ladies I see here don't have a problem getting their rates. They don't raise them, and have many regulars. They're content, as far as I know.
One did the BP deal, which pissed me off because she's better than that, and she hasn't done it since.
Not because of me. Admittedly she got greedy and found out that wasn't a way to go.
It's easy to kick back and pass judgement on what a lady does with her business.
But when you spend so much time with them, and become friends, you care for their welfare and don't want to see them hurt.
That's my train of thought anyway.
I see less gals raising their rates, I chose to NOT raise mine 2yrs ago when the economy went belly up but no need to drop them or to run specials. My egulars have no problem spending $$$ and they see me as often as they like but some less often than a few yrs ago.
This business is always going to be hit by the economy like any other business but for the most part it stays the test of time.
And from what I can tell, they still get enough business to justify holding the line. This area has taken a hit from the downturn, but clearly not as bad as many other cities and regions.
going up.
One lady I was considering went up haft again as much.
Many sites have messages like "if I saw at the old rate it still applies"
Go figure.
In my location, where I seldom hobby anyway, prices are pretty low even for highly rated ladies -- maybe $250 tops. Lots in the $175 range.
Of course, "low" should be put into perspective. The annualized hourly rate for a neurosurgeon in my area is $240/hr; so a lady collecting that much or nearly so is not really collecting a "low" rate.
But where I usually hobby, which is metro Boston, rates have generally stayed about the same. Of course, most often the ladies I see are touring, too. I have seen a few such specials as you describe by ladies in the area; but they are the exception rather than the rule.
Every area is going to be different because of the economic differences.
In DC, most of the money used for hobbying comes from government. (i.e. my taxes) Government is a growth industry -- and a monopoly to boot. So don't expect rates to ever drop there.
Las Vegas is a place where people go from all over the country for the specific purpose of finding and seeing providers. Yes, there are a lot of providers there -- but demand is extremely high. Nothing short of a major depression is going to drop rates there. A guy with money in Syracuse, NY might not want to hobby in his own backyard, but will travel to Vegas. So a lot of demand gets concentrated there.
Certain major hubs of commerce are concentration points for all of the nation's wealth -- because it all travels through there. A lot of the money made in such places isn't even made on productivity per se, but rather on commissions for facilitating trades, lawsuit payouts, etc. One example of such a place is NYC. It is more affected by the overall economy than Washington or Las Vegas; but still maintains a very high degree of wealth concentration.
Same thing goes for certain other areas where people who have already made their money may go to retire or maintain winter homes, etc. If managed wisely, short of utter economic collapse, their demand will be unaffected by the overall economy.
Then there are specific industries that, again, short of absolute economic collapse are practically recession-proof. Anything having to do with TV entertainment and movies. Even during the recession, there have been numerous block-buster movies netting hundreds of millions each. Instead of going out, people might stay in and order a movie "on demand." $4 here and $4 there adds up to gobs of money taken in aggregate over time.
My point here is that location makes a big difference. And even if someone isn't directly engaged in a primary recession-hardy industry in a given location, he benefits directly or indirectly for serving that industry. An independent CPA helping with the books of a Hollywood producer, or the guy who makes an expensive meal for a Wall Street high flyer makes money too.
So the fact that rates are down in some areas may mean very little about rates in others.
ALSO -- touring serves to keep rates from falling.
Say a lady works in CityX where her rate is usually $300. Pretend that business volume has dropped in CityX due to manufacturing layoffs.
She *could* lower her rate, but that might not be wise. Sure, it would likely increase her volume, but she would also end up with current customers at her usual $300 rate paying her less.
Instead, she takes 2-3 tours a year. She makes certain on such tours to hit places like NYC, Washington, DC and the like. Keep in mind that a lot of hobbying is based on novelty, so the mere fact she is touring can net her bookings she might not otherwise get if she typically provided in that city.
If she planned well, she grabbed a lot of money on tour. Enough that when she goes back to CityX, she can still charge her normal rate. Even better, those guys who see her regularly miss her after she has been gone for a couple of months and might book longer dates than usual when she returns.
Touring is a key ingredient for ladies who charge higher than average rates to keep those rates above average, particularly if they live in an area affected by the recession. Not all the wealth is geographically concentrated in a few spots. By going from place to place like a honeybee collecting pollen from flowers, she is able to get a part of that wealth from all over where it is spread.
Also -- decommoditization is a factor.
Many providers don't sell sex per-se. Rather, they sell their own unique attributes. Whether they are extremely pretty, have an exotic look, have unique skills, have super-high intelligence or whatnot -- many providers capitalize on these traits such that men who value those traits will seek them out and won't lightly accept substitutes.
This serves as a buffer against economic pressures to lower price.
Finally, a factor that few hobbyists consider is the "day job."
Many providers have day jobs that cover the bills. Whether they are in sales, media, or whatnot -- they cover their bills with their clothes on.
For some women, what they charge is a point of pride. They would rather go without a client for six months than see a client for even $1 less than their stated rate. And the day job enables them to do this. Do not hold your breath waiting for that rate to drop.
So, for the next couple of years, do not expect to see rates dropping; particularly for women in financial or prostitution nexus points, ladies capable of travel, and those with day jobs.
More than a couple of years down the road, ALL of their rates will drop. But the macroeconomic forces that will be driving that are a subject for another day.
rates are really a function of business model, microeconomic environment, and to a degree, of a provider's self worth.
in the DC market I have seen quite a few established and newer providers lowering rates, either across the board, by use of frequent limited time specials, or by creating offerings at a lower price point.
Interestingly, I have *not* seen the prominent local agencies lowering rates. That should speak volumes....
providers whose business model is high volume have shown the most reduction in rates
providers from other markets who command higher than typical (for the DC market) rates are spending less time touring the nation's capital.
providers who, perhaps because of their "day job" or because they have made financially wise decisions, are not stressed by the economic downturn have largely maintained stable rates
providers who are of a low volume / high quality business model (many overlapping with the category above) have also maintained stable rates. They focus more on maintaining relationships than on a steady influx of new clientele.
I would observe that providers with well integrated personality and a concomitantly high sense of self worth are not likely to be interested in making the acquaintance of bottom feeders who are shopping primarily on the basis of discounts lol
which is always a task-------LOL ! IMO, ( & some will dispute me over this ), the highest end provider cities ( which John expertly articulated about in his thread ), are NYC, DC, L.A. & Vegas. The average rate to obtain an attractive provider, from what I can discern, is $$$$-$$$$$ .Some providers fetch far higher than even that.
So, if you're a hobbyist rolling in $,these cities might be just the thing for you.
While your statistics are correct,i do NOT subject myself to market norms. Money isn't the issue as much as motivation. I can RARELY justify anything over $$$. Very few wmomen,IMO,can justify a higher donation. They are indeed welcome to ask for whatever they wish. I'm not buying into their 'high demand' claims. Sorry.
There are PLENTY of providers in the 250-350 range.
It was much easier to disagree with you than read John(tolstoy)galtnh and disagree. LMAO I didn't quite have the time to dedicate.
I could care less how "in demand" they claim to be, I don't pay over $$$ myself, except on the rarest of ocassions.
I also agree it is a lot easier (and less time consuming) to disagree with Pri than it is with John. lmao
staying couple nights at a hotel/casino where I intend to do some gambling & MP67 style imbibing------- LOL !
Guys, I heard on the grapevine & you might wanna look into fact, that Kathy of 47th Street is lowering her rates----------![]()
I think I may be ready to do some "MP67 style imbibiing" lol Maybe I will wait until this weekend and tie one on somewhere.
I need to think of somewhere new and different this weekend. Have passport and Am Ex card, will travel. lol
-- Modified on 6/28/2010 7:28:49 PM
I do have some redeeming qualities other than getting shit-faced!
We can talk about them over a bottle of Crown if you like?.... ![]()
As if I am getting rich at $75.00 and hour, I need dicks like you telling people I give discounts.
You know damn well that asking for a discount is forbidden.
I'll be damned if i'm gonna make a 'drink' date with someone who is AMIABLE.
I have to admit though that it isn't that unusual for me to pay more than $$$ for an appointment.
But I DO agree with your theory. Theoretically speaking, there IS a point beyond which there is simply no greater return for the extra money.
We can debate over where that point is, but we'll agree completely that such a point exists.
I would never go for the "CEO providers" that charge $$$$$$$ p.h. & up-------seems pointless, too much money & I would never do it.
However, gents,there are SOME well-heeled types that are obviously doing it, & more power to them. Obviously , a call based on economics & a subjective judgment call.
I also agree John, it's all about where you're located. Rates here in Madison, 4 yrs ago, were easily $400/hr.... now you'll see as low as $100/hr from some of the girls.. the average is about $200 though. The economy, and then one of the major GM factories in the area shut down, I think played a part in the rates going down. But as you stated, if you travel to different locations, some areas aren't affected at all it seems, or the traveling ladies per see, as when they come here, most visiting ladies I've heard do pretty well![]()
I love you brother, but you can go on!
Hope you fuck as long as you talk! ![]()
Regarless of rates, I have been hit hard recently by the economic down turn and will be forced to find a new hobby, but I have noticed more specials out there. Wish I could take advantge of them.
Find a sex buddy if you can. The girls I see mostly these days are looking for a "sex need" to be fulfilled in their lives. Most are your garden variety next door milf types. I'll leave the "cheer leader" lookalike types to others as I find them, for the most part, completely lousy in the sack.
The economic downturn has flooded my local market with new ladies which if not decrease the rate has suppressed any increase in the rates. Many ladies have maintain their official rates but are privately or openly offering specials or have started offering 30 min sessions. One lady friend of 3 years has frankly level with me in an e-mail that in the current market she is having trouble staying afloat and offer me a 1/3 discount. I do feel a little uneasy of about taking advantage of the situation. However I have a limited hobby budget of 2% of my net worth per year and my net worth has decline 20% in the economic downturn. So far my response is to leave a less generous tip and to do more shorter 2 hour sessions as compared to my usual 4 hour or more session. I suspect the situation for both hobbyist and provider will get worst with a double dip recession and even depression an increasing probability with the end of the Feds stimulation money due to the increasing concern about the huge debt.
So ya look in here anyway... nice!
Years ago, I was earning a 3 to 4 dollar figure every week.. that was back in 2002 when i got into this profession.. with the economy now? most of my dates see my site, we agree on the donation that's it..
I offer a established client donation after say you have seen me 3x. I have known clients since 2004 and i set their specific donation and thats theirs.. Each hobbyist is different in my book.
I have browsed providers websites thru ter and some are high priced and some aren't.. I think date fees for 90 minutes are way too high. But that's my opinion..
Have a good week guys
SweetPeach
New to TER here
NW Indiana Provider
I can definitely agree with SweetPeach2 here, altho my date went over the agreed time my sexy mature provider wasn't asking for more money, i felt sorry i couldn't stay the night with her .. CD